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Jim Thompson
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:00 pm   



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Joel Koltner
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:28 pm   



Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

Joel Koltner
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:33 pm   



Seems kinda inspired by this old Paul Harvey track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaGVCO6CByQ&feature=related

I'm not sure about the one Jim posted, but I think Paul Harvey was
generally sincere in his beliefs; he was a respectable fellow even to
people who disagreed with him.

Jim Thompson
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:41 pm   



On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:33:54 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Seems kinda inspired by this old Paul Harvey track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaGVCO6CByQ&feature=related

I'm not sure about the one Jim posted, but I think Paul Harvey was
generally sincere in his beliefs; he was a respectable fellow even to
people who disagreed with him.

Paul Harvey and Hugh Downs, my former neighbors when I lived "up
north".

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Jamie
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:55 pm   



Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

I like this one ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h8O7V-WxWQ&feature=related


Jamie

flipper
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:59 pm   



On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
<zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.

Now, you may argue there are 'other reasons' but it doesn't alter the
fact that strangling energy supplies and increasing cost is the most
effective way to destroy an economy, as exemplified by our Dear Leader
explaining his cap and trade program would necessarily "skyrocket"
cost, that when Congress wouldn't pass it his administration would do
it anyway, even 'worse', and the EPA announcing they are on a mission
to "crucify" the oil and gas industry, in addition to bankrupting the
coal industry.

In short, this administration has been on a 4 year quest to destroy
every viable source of domestic energy supply.

flipper
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:09 am   



On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:55:44 -0400, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa__at_charter.net> wrote:

Quote:

You should also go through the Milton Friedman stuff.

Les Cargill
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:59 am   



flipper wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.

Now, you may argue there are 'other reasons' but it doesn't alter the
fact that strangling energy supplies and increasing cost is the most
effective way to destroy an economy,

I am pretty sure mileage *doubled* after the '73 oil shock. There's
been considerable tech. improvement since - 42 MPG isn't
out of reach.

Oil in the US used for commuting has a lot more elasticity in
demand than we give it credit. The people who will be hurt
will be people who have to use a truck for service small businesses,
but hopefully, mileage deductions will continue for them.

Quote:
as exemplified by our Dear Leader
explaining his cap and trade program would necessarily "skyrocket"
cost, that when Congress wouldn't pass it his administration would do
it anyway, even 'worse', and the EPA announcing they are on a mission
to "crucify" the oil and gas industry, in addition to bankrupting the
coal industry.

In short, this administration has been on a 4 year quest to destroy
every viable source of domestic energy supply.


They're doing it wrong, then. Imagine that :)

Natural gas is at record lows in price.
I dunno *what* happened with oil, but it'll most likely de-bubble
pretty soon. Not back to 2006 prices, but low enough.

The government really should allow some additional pipeline capacity,
since that probably caused the price spike ( best I can tell - it
all seems to have been related to storage capacities in Cushing ).


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flipper
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:18 am   



On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:59:05 -0500, Les Cargill
<lcargill99_at_comcast.com> wrote:

Quote:
flipper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.

Now, you may argue there are 'other reasons' but it doesn't alter the
fact that strangling energy supplies and increasing cost is the most
effective way to destroy an economy,

I am pretty sure mileage *doubled* after the '73 oil shock. There's
been considerable tech. improvement since

That's beside the point, name something that hasn't improved in 40
years, and I didn't say "gasoline," I said "energy."

The economy also suffered the worst inflationary cycle in history,
destroying billions in savings.

Quote:
- 42 MPG isn't
out of reach.

Your 'reach' ain't gonna come close, even in a sardine can, because
Pres. Obama's 'new' standard is 54.5 by 2025, assuming you'll be able
to afford one.


Quote:
Oil in the US used for commuting has a lot more elasticity in
demand than we give it credit. The people who will be hurt
will be people who have to use a truck for service small businesses,
but hopefully, mileage deductions will continue for them.

There is literally nothing that doesn't need energy and everybody is
hurt in a thousand more ways than just what you call the cost of
'commuting'. And there's no good reason for it either.


Quote:
as exemplified by our Dear Leader
explaining his cap and trade program would necessarily "skyrocket"
cost, that when Congress wouldn't pass it his administration would do
it anyway, even 'worse', and the EPA announcing they are on a mission
to "crucify" the oil and gas industry, in addition to bankrupting the
coal industry.

In short, this administration has been on a 4 year quest to destroy
every viable source of domestic energy supply.


They're doing it wrong, then. Imagine that Smile

I have no idea why you put a smiley face on deliberate economic
destruction.


Quote:
Natural gas is at record lows in price.

The EPA is hard at work rectifying that 'problem'.

Quote:
I dunno *what* happened with oil,

Middle East turmoil threatening to disrupt supplies and an
administration that has made clear it intends to kill as much US
production as possible.

Quote:
but it'll most likely de-bubble
pretty soon. Not back to 2006 prices,

There is no practical reason why it can't.

Quote:
but low enough.

What is 'low enough' and how did you pick the number?

Frankly, I am sick and tired of 'liberal' elitists telling us what
*they* have 'decided' is 'enough' of whatever.

Quote:
The government really should allow some additional pipeline capacity,

Pres Obama doesn't *want* you using oil, gas, and/or coal, he wants
you to use algae. The man is a bullsheet nut case and for proof I
quote his own words "If we can figure out how to make energy out of
that... " Well, wait, that's as far as we need go because one can say
anything if you preface it with "if." If pigs could fly [insert
bullsheet]. If money grew on trees [insert bullsheet].

We'd also be ok "if" we could make fuel from beach sand but you'd be a
damn fool, like this administration, to kill what you know works on
the 'hope' that fantasy might work 'some day'.

Quote:
since that probably caused the price spike ( best I can tell - it
all seems to have been related to storage capacities in Cushing ).


Jasen Betts
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:27 am   



On 2012-04-26, flipper <flipper_at_fish.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.


The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
(various attributions)


I'll take truth in preference to honesty any day.

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flipper
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:39 am   



On 28 Apr 2012 05:27:19 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen_at_xnet.co.nz> wrote:

Quote:
On 2012-04-26, flipper <flipper_at_fish.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.


The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, Youve Got It Made
(various attributions)

Yes, I've always found that one amusing. Another version is
'sincerity'.

The origin refers to acting which, of necessity, is pretty much all
'fakery'.

Quote:
I'll take truth in preference to honesty any day.

Nice try but you can't even hope to seek truth without honesty.

Jamie
Guest

Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:41 pm   



Jasen Betts wrote:
Quote:
On 2012-04-26, flipper <flipper_at_fish.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.



The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
(various attributions)


I'll take truth in preference to honesty any day.

Lets be "Honest" now, you may not want to know the "Truth".


Jamie

Jasen Betts
Guest

Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:32 pm   



On 2012-04-28, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa__at_charter.net> wrote:
Quote:
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2012-04-26, flipper <flipper_at_fish.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.



The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
(various attributions)


I'll take truth in preference to honesty any day.

Lets be "Honest" now, you may not want to know the "Truth".

Thats somewhat ambiguous. I probably disagree.




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Phil Hobbs
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:56 am   



Jasen Betts wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-04-28, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa__at_charter.net> wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2012-04-26, flipper <flipper_at_fish.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.



The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
(various attributions)


I'll take truth in preference to honesty any day.

Lets be "Honest" now, you may not want to know the "Truth".

Thats somewhat ambiguous. I probably disagree.

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--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to news_at_netfront.net ---

The idea of setting truth and honesty against each other is just plain
cracked. Real honesty is rare and precious, but without it we can't
even maintain the _desire_ to know the truth.

The human capacity for self-deception is so very powerful that we have
to resist it with everything we've got, plus whatever outside help we
can get.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
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hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:22 pm   



Jamie wrote:

Quote:
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2012-04-26, flipper <flipper_at_fish.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Joel Koltner
zapwire-usenet_at_yahoo.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc&feature=player_embedded

Well, hey... it's pretty well-produced; definitely gives Michael Moore
some "competition," I suppose.

It also has something Michael Moore doesn't, honesty.



The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
(various attributions)


I'll take truth in preference to honesty any day.

Lets be "Honest" now, you may not want to know the "Truth".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopNAI8Pefg

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