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Xeno
Guest

Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:30 am   



On 26/02/2017 8:57 AM, Petzl wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:36:55 +1100, Xeno <xenolith_at_optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 25/02/2017 4:06 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 10:41:01 +1100, Xeno <xenolith_at_optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 23/02/2017 4:26 PM, Petzl wrote:
On 23 Feb 2017 04:10:39 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen_at_xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2017-02-20, Petzl <petzlx_at_gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 01:46:10 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:


This clown is mixed up, next he will blame CO2 emissions for climate
when it is known the Earth is moving on it's axis!

well no, that's backwards.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-04/melting-ice-causing-earths-axis-shift-direction

No connection to CO2 emissions.

Melting ice is connected directly to CO2 emissions.

I noticed the earths tilting years ago caused by the export of iron
ore from southern hemisphere to northern.

What a load of piffle.

Once heating occurs further "unbalancing" occurs

And the heating is caused by????

Axis of earth tilting caused by
The movement of minerals from southern hemisphere to northern.

By that logic, since all our *bulky minerals* tend to head towards China
and Japan, the drift of the North Pole should be heading there and not
to the UK. New heavy spot would be in China!

Earth's axis tilt varies periodically. If it leans much, when the
northern hemisphere is turned towards the sun, is where the summers
are always so warm that the snow melts. Axis direction in the universe
determines which hemisphere is tilted towards the sun when its rays
are strongest.

You do realise, for your effect to have validity, you should have
winters that are longer and colder which would, or should, refreeze the
summer ice melt. After all, the NP is only leaning towards the sun for
half a year. The other half it's leaning *away*.

Earth Line shape varies from elliptical to nearly circular. In the
latter case, the difference between winter and summer less, making
glacial possible.

Climate change due to natural variations over time in the sun's
activity in the earth's orbit shape of the Earth's axis tilt and the
cosmic radiation intensity.

Indeed, all of those have been adequately mapped. What's happening now
is *natural* change at an unprecedented rate.

Man can not control the climate. There will always be time varying due
to unavoidable, natural factors.

But man is seemingly capable of *affecting climate*.

over time yes but this has happened before.

CO2 has always been contaminating the Atmosphere through volcanic and
forest fires but the most affect has been found to be water vapour

As the earth warms up and water displaces, India for one instance has
lost millions of tonnes of water which further unbalances the Earth.

The North pole is so far tracking to London, England.

You can see the affect of a tyre valve on a wheel when it's being
balanced.


What you are indicating is *static unbalance*. FWIW, those dots on a
*new tyre* lower sidewall are indicative of the light spot/maximum
runout point. The runout dot has little relevance with machined wheels
but the other is to indicate that you place it near the valve to
compensate for the extra weight of the valve.

Quote:
(I like my tyres balanced on the car where you actually see the
vibration before and after, not seen the machines work when actually
checked on car after machine "balancing")

Checking tyres for balance *on the car* can only check for static
unbalance conditions. That was quite satisfactory in the *good old days*
of large narrow wheels and slow cars but not any more. In this era of
smaller, wider wheels on ever faster cars, dynamic balance is much more
critical. FWIW, I have done static balancing on both cars and trucks as
well as dynamic balancing on cars wheels. Unless you have some very
sophisticated and expensive on car dynamic balancing equipment at your
disposal, off car dynamic balancing will get you closer to a vibration
free ride. I suggest you peruse this article to see the difference.

http://www.hofmann-srbija.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Balansiranje_brosura_en.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/hf2sefs

Anyway, this is getting off topic. It started as an unbalance in the
earth. What you are seeing with the earth is a dynamic unbalance and, as
yet, nobody's come up with a balancer sufficiently large or
sophisticated that will enable the earth to be rebalanced.

Got any solutions? We could, for a start, stop mining and shipping the
ore to China. Hey, we could process the ore here, manufacture products
and then ship those overseas. Um, nope, that's been tried. Would only
work if you didn't mind the extreme pollution and $1 per day wages.
Anyway, the weight of the finished products we shipped OS would amount
to much the same imbalance.

I'm open to your suggestions....

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

Fran Snortilus
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf









Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.


Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres.
That means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor,
or 3 doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd
http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you

Quote:
The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from it's
OWN owner's yard.


F Murtz
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



Fran Snortilus wrote:
Quote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf










Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres. That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor, or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd

http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you


The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food

F Murtz
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do
you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf












Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the
act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the
occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under
this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish
smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres. That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor, or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd



http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you




The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


It is relatively easy to deter cats in a small suburban yard,but you
have to weight the small cost against the immense fun of annoying and
training the neighbors and the cost of the trap and the tuna and the
trips to the pound.
one such cheap method is proximity switched sprinklers another is a cat
hating dog Smile


Fran Snortilus
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



On 27/02/2017 4:23 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf











Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres. That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor, or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd


http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you



The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


Cite?

de chucka
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



snip

Quote:
You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food

Cite?


Most animals will go where there is a supply of food. My kids are always
at the fridge

Fran Snortilus
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



On 27/02/2017 4:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do
you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf












Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the
act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the
occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under
this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish
smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres. That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor, or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd



http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you




The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


It is relatively easy to deter cats in a small suburban yard,but you
have to weight the small cost against the immense fun of annoying and
training the neighbors and the cost of the trap and the tuna and the
trips to the pound.
one such cheap method is proximity switched sprinklers another is a cat
hating dog ")


For God's sake! Get a grip! The OWNERS of the cat are the ones who
should be responsible! Your silly suggestions are all about imposing
the responsibility on a non owner! I've got a great suggestion. You
should have my cows in your yard and if you don't want them there then
you should install an electric fence to keep them out then hire a truck
and ship them back to our farm. Or can't you see how stupid that sort
of suggestion is?

Fran Snortilus
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



On 27/02/2017 5:28 PM, de chucka wrote:
Quote:
snip

You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food

Cite?

Most animals will go where there is a supply of food. My kids are always
at the fridge


Your kids are fed at home. The cats are fed at home. Your kids and the
cats will stay home if that theory applies. Sadly it doesn't. Kids are
social and roam and cats are hunters and roam.

F Murtz
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



Fran Snortilus wrote:
Quote:
On 27/02/2017 4:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned
about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do
you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate
any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf













Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the
act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the
occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under
this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901,
secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to
animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to
enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish
smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in
his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's
wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres. That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor,
or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd




http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you





The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


It is relatively easy to deter cats in a small suburban yard,but you
have to weight the small cost against the immense fun of annoying and
training the neighbors and the cost of the trap and the tuna and the
trips to the pound.
one such cheap method is proximity switched sprinklers another is a cat
hating dog ")

For God's sake! Get a grip! The OWNERS of the cat are the ones who
should be responsible! Your silly suggestions are all about imposing
the responsibility on a non owner! I've got a great suggestion. You
should have my cows in your yard and if you don't want them there then
you should install an electric fence to keep them out then hire a truck
and ship them back to our farm. Or can't you see how stupid that sort
of suggestion is?


You get a grip, you will not ever stop roaming cats , no matter how many
Trevors there are.

F Murtz
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am   



F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf











Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres. That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor, or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd


http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you



The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


It is relatively easy to deter cats in a small suburban yard,but you
have to weight the small cost against the immense fun of annoying and
training the neighbors and the cost of the trap and the tuna and the
trips to the pound.
one such cheap method is proximity switched sprinklers another is a cat
hating dog ")

SG1
Guest

Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:52 pm   



"de chucka" <Dechucka1_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vMydnet4Bs6wWi7FnZ2dnUU7-IudnZ2d_at_westnet.com.au...
Quote:
snip

You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food

Cite?

Most animals will go where there is a supply of food. My kids are always
at the fridge


Eldest son visited this arvo, straight to the fridge. Ah well.

>

de chucka
Guest

Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:14 am   



On 27/02/2017 7:52 PM, SG1 wrote:
Quote:

"de chucka" <Dechucka1_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vMydnet4Bs6wWi7FnZ2dnUU7-IudnZ2d_at_westnet.com.au...
snip

You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food

Cite?

Most animals will go where there is a supply of food. My kids are
always at the fridge

Eldest son visited this arvo, straight to the fridge. Ah well.

What interests me is they keep going back hoping something has changed
in the last 1/2 hour

Fran Snortilus
Guest

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:46 am   



On 27/02/2017 6:12 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 27/02/2017 4:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned
about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do
you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate
any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf














Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the
act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the
occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or
cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be
returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under
this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of
the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of
inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901,
secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be
done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to
animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either
way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to
enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite
legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish
smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in
his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's
wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres.
That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor,
or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd





http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you






The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


It is relatively easy to deter cats in a small suburban yard,but you
have to weight the small cost against the immense fun of annoying and
training the neighbors and the cost of the trap and the tuna and the
trips to the pound.
one such cheap method is proximity switched sprinklers another is a cat
hating dog ")

For God's sake! Get a grip! The OWNERS of the cat are the ones who
should be responsible! Your silly suggestions are all about imposing
the responsibility on a non owner! I've got a great suggestion. You
should have my cows in your yard and if you don't want them there then
you should install an electric fence to keep them out then hire a truck
and ship them back to our farm. Or can't you see how stupid that sort
of suggestion is?


You get a grip, you will not ever stop roaming cats , no matter how many
Trevors there are.


Finally!!!!!! About bloody time that the penny dropped with you that
cats DO roam.

Now if you'll just stop the other idiot claim about how it's only
because Trevor's putting out food that they come into Trevor's
yard....................

Then we might get you to take the next move to admit that Trevor should
not be expected to put up with OTHER people's animals in HIS yard
because those animals AREN'T Trevor's animals....................

But I'd probably have to put some of MY cattle in YOUR yard before that
penny drops...............................

de chucka
Guest

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:56 am   



On 27/02/2017 6:12 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 27/02/2017 4:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 23/02/2017 12:14 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix
felix_at_real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned
about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do
you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate
any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf














Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the
act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart
blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the
occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or
destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or
cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this
section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the
person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be
returned to
its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under
this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of
the

(Cool The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of
inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901,
secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to
comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be
done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to
animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either
way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to
enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's
trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite
legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in
his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish
smell is
coming from

You still don't get it.

You don't get it, the cat may never go into the yard if it were not
being enticed by the fish in the trap.

Talk to your son, the vet (hopefully he might have some expertise in
his
profession and know something about cats). Ask him if cat's
wander. If
he's at all competent, he'll tell you that they DO wander. It's well
known and well researched that domestic moggies roam widely unless
comfined. All tracked and recorded on GPS. Some will roam over
kilometres whilst others will only roam over a few hundred metres.
That
means that a cat next door to Trevor, or over the road from Trevor,
or 3
doors down from Trevor WILL go into his yard unless it's confined.
http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#..aP9HL3yuqr
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22567526
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/cat-curfew-gps-tracker-shows-just-how-far-adelaide-cats-roam-at-night/news-story/9064007da1b3411fa3e34bd0af5a59dd





http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/where-do-outdoor-cats-go-a-gps-tracking-study-can-tell-you






The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from
it's
OWN owner's yard.




You are right, but a cat will make more visits where there is food


It is relatively easy to deter cats in a small suburban yard,but you
have to weight the small cost against the immense fun of annoying and
training the neighbors and the cost of the trap and the tuna and the
trips to the pound.
one such cheap method is proximity switched sprinklers another is a cat
hating dog ")

For God's sake! Get a grip! The OWNERS of the cat are the ones who
should be responsible! Your silly suggestions are all about imposing
the responsibility on a non owner! I've got a great suggestion. You
should have my cows in your yard and if you don't want them there then
you should install an electric fence to keep them out then hire a truck
and ship them back to our farm. Or can't you see how stupid that sort
of suggestion is?


You get a grip, you will not ever stop roaming cats , no matter how many
Trevors there are.


If you let your cat wander they suffer the consequences because of your
irresponsibility. Either a trip to the pound using Trevor's method or a
trip to pussy heaven/hell or the nearest rabbit warren using mine.

Lost your cat? Check my tyres

Petzl
Guest

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:57 am   



On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:46:37 +1100, Fran Snortilus
<nuts_at_loathsomeneedshelp.com> wrote:

Quote:


You get a grip, you will not ever stop roaming cats , no matter how many
Trevors there are.

Finally!!!!!! About bloody time that the penny dropped with you that
cats DO roam.

Now if you'll just stop the other idiot claim about how it's only
because Trevor's putting out food that they come into Trevor's
yard....................

Then we might get you to take the next move to admit that Trevor should
not be expected to put up with OTHER people's animals in HIS yard
because those animals AREN'T Trevor's animals....................

But I'd probably have to put some of MY cattle in YOUR yard before that
penny drops...............................


When cats don't roam rats take over.
--
Petzl
(Joel 2:3)
Fire devours before them,
and behind them a flame burns.
The land is like the garden of Eden before them,
but behind them a desolate wilderness,
and nothing escapes them.

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