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Trevor Wilson
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:30 am   



On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.


**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

F Murtz
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:30 am   



Je�us wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

Xeno
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:30 am   



On 10/02/2017 10:36 AM, Je�us wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:05:37 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
This SA green power supply works well does not it?


**The fault lies in several places. The big one, is when states began
privatising parts of the electricity and distribution system. It will
get worse, as the industry heads down it's 'death spiral'. Prices will
increase and more people will fit PV panels and batteries. As more
people go off-grid, suppliers will increase prices. The latest problem
occured with the French owned gas-fired power station. When SA requested
more power, the owner refused to start up the power station, because it
was not profitable enough.

It is insane. Electricity is a vital resource and must NEVER be allowed
to fall into the hands of private industry. Particularly foreign owned
ones.

Agree with all that, essential services should *not* be privatised in
any form. What other outcome can there be when such services are in
private hands?

Having said that, I would add that there are many people in a position
to generate their own power and won't do it... meanwhile, they'll keep
on bitching about the cost (and reliability) of grid electricity.

When the governments held control of the electricity supplies, they kept
sufficient in reserve capacity to allow for such situations as we now
experience. Private operators, on the other hand, run lean and mean and
*that* is where the problem lies.

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

Sylvia Else
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:30 am   



On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> This SA green power supply works well does not it?

It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling blackouts
later today as people return home from work and turn on air conditioners
just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going down.

The existence of those panels means that there is less incentive to
invest in peak load power generation capacity, since it will always be
undercut by solar when the sun is shining. But had that capacity
existed, we could have used it into the evening when it's needed.

If you had such a generator, it could earn you $14 per kWh at times today.

The grid should shed those with solar panels first once the sun goes
down - but of course, it can't.

Sylvia.

Phil Allison
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:12 pm   



Trevor Wilson wrote:

Quote:



No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


** Giant Huh ??

Tasmania has long had the cheapest, greenest and most reliable power you can have - Hydro Power.

So cheap that for umpteen decades, Aluminium smelters set up there to take advantage.

So cheap, it was worth running a super expensive, under-sea, DC cable all the way to Victoria in order to share it around.

So what gives Trev ??


..... Phil

F Murtz
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:44 pm   



Je�us wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .
All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.
In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.
Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.

Trevor Wilson
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:53 pm   



On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.


**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

F Murtz
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:02 pm   



Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess


Trevor Wilson
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:13 pm   



On 10/02/2017 7:44 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Je�us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .


**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.

> All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.

**Which is exactly what is happening.

Quote:
In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.


**There is no such thing as 'clean coal'. There is dirty coal and
slightly less dirty coal.

Quote:
Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.


**Let us know where you are going to bury the radioactive by-products
for the next 20 million years (or only a tiny 24,000 years for
Plutonium). Of course, those figures are half-life ones. The danger
lasts for much longer. Whilst you are considering that, consider the
following:

* The oldest company or government on the planet is no more than a few
hundred years. How will you guarantee that all plutonium (one of the
most deadly substances on the planet) will be kept securely guarded for
the next 100,000 years? How much will that cost?

* The US has been generating nuclear power for about 60 years. Despite a
great deal of intensive effort for many decades, America has only bean
able to securely place 2 years' worth of nuclear waste material. It is
piling up every day.

* If the Australian government made the decision to build a nuke
tomorrow, it would take approximately 20 years to bring the reactor
on-line. How much do you think Solar PV cells will cost in 20 years?
More or less than right now? Here is a graph of Solar PV costs over time:
https://cleantechnica.com/2014/09/04/solar-panel-cost-trends-10-charts/

* Australia is the Sunniest place on the planet. If we tried really hard
and dedicated around 3% of our land mass (let's say in the centre) to
whacking up a fucking big Solar PV array (or better, Solar/thermal),
Australia could supply the entire planet's electricity needs (at today's
consumption levels). A significantly smaller area could satisfy
Australia's demands.

* Storage battery technology is moving rapdily, allowing Solar PV arrays
to be able to operate 24/7.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:39 pm   



On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess


**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Petzl
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:20 pm   



On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:39:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

Quote:
On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.


The "Greens" opposed the sale selling electricity assets to China.
Then Had the coal fired operations shut down
http://indaily.com.au/news/local/2016/05/09/sas-coal-era-ends-but-whats-next/
--
Petzl
Don't be "sheep to the slaughter"
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for Islam and Sharia.

For Turnbull, multi-faith only means Islam
https://is.gd/bunwYB

Trevor Wilson
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:33 pm   



On 10/02/2017 9:20 PM, Petzl wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:39:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.

The "Greens" opposed the sale selling electricity assets to China.


**They opposed selling the assets FULL STOP.

> Then Had the coal fired operations shut down

**The brown coal operations in Victoria are the most polluting on the
planet. They had to be shut down.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

~misfit~
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:49 pm   



Once upon a time on usenet Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc,
have shut down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for
backup and if the wind does not blow or they have a storm that
damages things their setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies
with how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.


.... but that wasn't in aus.eletronics thank the gods!
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Fran Snortilus
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:54 pm   



On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess


It was the Olsen LIBERAL govt that sold the public owned power supply in
SA.

Fran Snortilus
Guest

Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:06 pm   



On 10/02/2017 5:26 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 10/02/2017 12:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
This SA green power supply works well does not it?

It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling blackouts
later today as people return home from work and turn on air conditioners
just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going
down.

And that is part of the problem. People who can't cope without air con
and other than
reliance on such a fragile thing.

Let us go back to the old days where the old and infirm died because
they don't have any other strategy for coping with heat


READ the thread! People coming home from work and turning on their air
con WILL NOT BE THE OLD OR THE INFIRM you twit!

The old and infirm are the only ones who should be allowed to turn on
their aircon in the current situation.

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