RIP...........................

Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:50 pm   

Steve Jobs who died this day.

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:27 am   

On 06-Oct-11 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/apple-founder-steve-jobs-dead/story-e6frf7jo-1226160010773

sad to hear.
one of the few pioneers to the modern industry.

RIP Steve.

Don...

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:50 am   

kreed wrote:


Agreed, not sure what happened there approaching the iPhones, kinda
like he entirely ignored what he originally stood for and went for 100%
marketing 0% anything else.

On the upside, I hear the iPhone 5 will have a re-designed antenna system.
Not that it needed it, the iPhone 4 antenna functioned perfectly under
all conditions.
Jobs said so.
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Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:21 am   

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:35:49 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999_at_gmail.com>
wrote:


Absolutely agree.

Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:31 am   

On Oct 6, 9:50 am, "Metro" <Home_at_home> wrote:

He was a great pioneer indeed with the original apple computer.

Later efforts, like locking I phones, wanting approval for software
etc, and getting the things built on slave wages, then selling at
first world prices put me right off the guy in the end.

Anyway RIP Steve

Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:32 am   

"Metro" <Home_at_home> wrote in message
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heard he was a terror to work for. Maybe we need more like him..........

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20116374-37/steve-jobs-a-timeline/ >


Metro.....

Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:20 am   

Metro wrote:

Umm, I thought the Apple I & II predates the IBM PC and MS OSs?

From
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/steve-jobs-obituary/3317760

"While personal computers powered by Microsoft software ruled
workplaces, Jobs envisioned people-friendly machines with mouse
controllers and icons to click on to activate programs or open files."

Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:15 am   

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:20:03 +1100, terryc
<newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:


In general I find the iCrowd annoying, pretentious, and not very
competent. In fact Apple seems to attract the lowest common
denominator of computer user.

Moreover, a downside of hiding absolutely everything behind a
pointy-clicky GUI is the difficulty in supporting the iProducts.

A typical problem report from an Apple user goes something like this:

"I connected my iGadget to my iThing, and there was a boop and a
balloon, but I couldn't see my iTunes. What do I click next?"

- Franc Zabkar
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Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:50 am   

On 2011-10-06, terryc <newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote:

Apple 1 and ][ didn't have mouse or GUI




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Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:02 am   

On 2011-10-07, kreed <kenreed1999_at_gmail.com> wrote:

mouse was around before then, but expensive and not used much
except some graphical applications like autocad etc.


Apple laserwriter was internally a HP laserjet mechanism with an apple
controller card running a postscript interpreter. At the time the
cntroller card had more computing power than the apple macintosh.

(I think that means HP had the first desktop laser printer)

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Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:51 am   

On Oct 6, 2:20 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:

don't know if there was option for one. Other than for playing games,
it had an EPROM burner card, and that was the main use for it back
then with me. It had colour graphic mode (via composite PAL output to
a TV), with a fixed 2 or 4 lines of text at the bottom of the graphic
area, or 40/80 column mode with no graphics in black and white.


If Im not mistaken,

1> Mice were first used in the 1960's (look it up). Pics of a
prototype built into a block of wood with visible slotted metal wheels
with optos (probably used photocells and small incandescent bulbs back
then rather than IR LEDS ?) have been around on the net for some
time. They were around long before Apple, but it is possible that
they first made them popular or very user friendly to standards like
they are now ?

The Mouse on the PC was around since windows 3.0-3.1 with GUI As I
recall they had limited use in DOS which was designed for keyboard
use, but some DOS applications probably had mouse support ? No idea
what Apple was doing at the time.




2> The original IBM PC (XT 8088 based ?) first came on the market in
1981

3> DOS was around in the 1970's - before the PC, I remember it was
used in the TRS 80 units IIRC and that was around 1977. What
involvement Microsoft had with DOS in this era is unknown by me, and
how long it was around before that I do not know.

Apple computers were first on the market around 1976-77, and therefore
they do predate the IBM PC from 1981. The IBM PC very quickly became
the standard in business and later in home use. As I recall the big
sector that Apple had huge market share in was in desktop publishing
probably due to them having the first Laser printer circa 1984.

Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:39 pm   

kreed wrote:


In the early PC world, aka Dos, your application drove and used the
mouse and there were plenty of them(apps) around. There were even
special mouse cards to free up your SIO ports.

Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:41 pm   

Jasen Betts wrote:


Are you sure?. AFAIK, Canon made the first laser engine and everyone
else put their own case and controller board to create their "laser printer"

Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:09 am   

On 2011-10-07, terryc <newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote:

mouse driver software would also emulate the bios light-pen interface.
so any pen-aware software would work with a mouse too.



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Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:27 am   

On 2011-10-07, terryc <newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote:

sorry, my bad, Canon.


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