Quantiative Science Before Galileo

On Jul 27, 5:43 am, spudnik <Space...@hotmail.com> wrote:

can't say I get what you mean by "hit"
w.r.t. "internal energy, but why is KE multiplicative?

By hit I mean the energy it takes to move from 0 to v, v to 2v and so
on.  This is done by internal force, with an energy source contained
in the body and the body is totally detached from anything else.  If
we take E to move from 0 to v, then it will be E to move from (N-1)v
to Nv.  So summing up N "hits" the KE is NE with a K factor for
inefficiencies.

This is the quality of motion using internal force, not a force
grounded to a R0 frame of reference.  All natural phenomena and
explosions can be more beautifully and clearly analysed with this new
formula, e=0.5MVVN(N-k) where k>=1.

Only proper engineering which I would very much like to do, can show
conclusively that you can move from 0 to v with internal force.  I
think I can do it next year.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

On Jul 27, 11:30 am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com
wrote:





On Jul 27, 5:43 am, spudnik <Space...@hotmail.com> wrote:

can't say I get what you mean by "hit"
w.r.t. "internal energy, but why is KE multiplicative?

By hit I mean the energy it takes to move from 0 to v, v to 2v and so
on.  This is done by internal force, with an energy source contained
in the body and the body is totally detached from anything else.  If
we take E to move from 0 to v, then it will be E to move from (N-1)v
to Nv.  So summing up N "hits" the KE is NE with a K factor for
inefficiencies.

This is the quality of motion using internal force, not a force
grounded to a R0 frame of reference.  All natural phenomena and
explosions can be more beautifully and clearly analysed with this new
formula, e=0.5MVVN(N-k) where k>=1.

Only proper engineering which I would very much like to do, can show
conclusively that you can move from 0 to v with internal force.  I
think I can do it next year.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

To make matters a bit clearer, a car accelerating on a road always
needs the road for it to go forward.  The road is the R0 reference,
and it is providing the external force upon the car via the friction
upon the wheels.  But an internal force engine does not need a road,
nor air to push back, nor water to push back.  It works best in outer
space, where there is no opposing force, nor friction.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

So maybe some of the felons weren't voting illegally anyway.

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago. Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

friction is a loss to heat.

 there is always an opposing force,

at least there is no vacuum that is too good to be true.  I mean,
why do you think that light could have a speed (as opposed
to a velocity, for a rock o'light) ??

Only proper engineering which I would very much like to do, can show
conclusively that you can move from 0 to v with internal force. I
think I can do it next year.

Light is a travelling electromagnetic wave motion, and its velocity
depends upon the medium through which it travels, and the speed of its
emitter.  The former is proved in any microwave device with
dielectric, and the latter is proved by the null result of the MMI
experiment.  The Doppler effect, where the frequency apparently varies
for a moving source or receiver, is a further indication.

Thus f = (c(mu, ep, v)/wavelength;
where c(mu, ep, v) = c(mu, ep) + v

einsteinians.

UTM is not needed here. No geodesics required at this time.
I'm just trying to find a coord system or method that allows me to
position my view at each station to determine alt/az from the two
stations of two points on the path of an event, start and end.

A number is prime if and only if it have two divisors.

Thus f = (c(mu, ep, v)/wavelength;

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago. Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

We know

1. There is no "we." You don't even have a sock puppet on your side.

2. You know so little you couldn't even bs your way out of a wet
paper bag.

3. You're dodgin' 'n dodgin' the question:

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

waves don't have velocity;

In article
81d966d2-e41b-4fd7-9f01-cd92fa75a...@k8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
 Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Only proper engineering which I would very much like to do, can show
conclusively that you can move from 0 to v with internal force.  I
think I can do it next year.

Were you inspired to this vision by a Mexican Jumping Bean?

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth..
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

We know