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xc6800
Guest

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:18 pm   



I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Spehro Pefhany
Guest

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:18 pm   



On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.

If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

Tim Wescott
Guest

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:18 pm   



Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com
wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.

If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

I'd also add that your anticipated production level determines the
degree of care in your prototyping -- if you want to build 1000 a month,
then you probably want to have a prototype build in the 100's before you
step up to that level. If you're only ever going to sell 100 of the
thing, then 'a few' really means 'three or four' and you're fine.

If you're just having three or four done, getting it done as locally as
possible is a big plus. And by "locally" I mean just that -- all else
being equal -- if it costs you an extra 10% per unit to have it done by
a business within walking distance vs. one that's a 1/2 hour drive away,
give the job to your neighbor.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

Ian Bell
Guest

Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:40 pm   



xc6800 wrote:
Quote:
I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc


When you say 'design' precisely what do you mean. Is it merely a circuit
diagram, or have you built a breadboard or do you have a PCB layout,
full BOM, caseworks and mechanical drawing etc. etc.?????


Cheers

Ian

Spehro Pefhany
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:34 am   



On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:03:36 -0800, Tim Wescott <tim_at_seemywebsite.now>
wrote:

Quote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com
wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.

If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

I'd also add that your anticipated production level determines the
degree of care in your prototyping -- if you want to build 1000 a month,
then you probably want to have a prototype build in the 100's before you
step up to that level. If you're only ever going to sell 100 of the
thing, then 'a few' really means 'three or four' and you're fine.

If you're just having three or four done, getting it done as locally as
possible is a big plus. And by "locally" I mean just that -- all else
being equal -- if it costs you an extra 10% per unit to have it done by
a business within walking distance vs. one that's a 1/2 hour drive away,
give the job to your neighbor.

It's a LOT faster to iron out incomplete specifications or otherwise
make decisions when everyone is literally the same room.

Joerg
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:20 am   



Tim Wescott wrote:
Quote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com
wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.
If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

I'd also add that your anticipated production level determines the
degree of care in your prototyping -- if you want to build 1000 a month,
then you probably want to have a prototype build in the 100's before you
step up to that level. If you're only ever going to sell 100 of the
thing, then 'a few' really means 'three or four' and you're fine.

If you're just having three or four done, getting it done as locally as
possible is a big plus. And by "locally" I mean just that -- all else
being equal -- if it costs you an extra 10% per unit to have it done by
a business within walking distance vs. one that's a 1/2 hour drive away,
give the job to your neighbor.



Depends on how well it is engineered out. My designs usually go straight
to a turnkey place. Since there seem to be no local ones left they are
all over the map, Southern California, Colorado, and so on. Essentially
you just send them the files and get fully stuffed boards back. In the
case of the Colorado assembler they even include a package of trail mix
when they ship. Yummy.

Many can also do the enclosure, final assy, tests and so on if you want
to. But it'll cost.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

mpm
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:36 pm   



On Mar 4, 11:18 am, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Start here: http://www.amconshows.com/
Click the Orlando show. (happens to be the next show, so likely has
the most info avail.)
Then click the Exhibitors link.

This is the American Contract Manufacturers Show & Expo.
Here, you will find dozens (hundreds?) of folks who do everything from
prototyping parts to complete turn-key project builds.

-mpm

xc6800
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:01 pm   



On Mar 4, 11:18 pm, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Thank you for all of your reply, I really appreciate it.

Basically it is an innovation of an existing product. I want to make
it simpler with one chip solution (which is going well so far), and
using color OLED instead of monochrome LCD. This part is perplexing.
where can I get 3cm x 2cm OLED. .

Thanks again
xc

xc6800
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:02 pm   



On Mar 4, 11:18 pm, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Thank you for all of your reply, I really appreciate it.

Basically it is an innovation of an existing product. I want to make
it simpler with one chip solution (which is going well so far), and
using color OLED instead of monochrome LCD. This part is perplexing.
where can I get 3cm x 2cm OLED. .

Thanks again
xc

Tim Wescott
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:03 pm   



Joerg wrote:
Quote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com
wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.
If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

I'd also add that your anticipated production level determines the
degree of care in your prototyping -- if you want to build 1000 a
month, then you probably want to have a prototype build in the 100's
before you step up to that level. If you're only ever going to sell
100 of the thing, then 'a few' really means 'three or four' and you're
fine.

If you're just having three or four done, getting it done as locally
as possible is a big plus. And by "locally" I mean just that -- all
else being equal -- if it costs you an extra 10% per unit to have it
done by a business within walking distance vs. one that's a 1/2 hour
drive away, give the job to your neighbor.



Depends on how well it is engineered out. My designs usually go straight
to a turnkey place. Since there seem to be no local ones left they are
all over the map, Southern California, Colorado, and so on. Essentially
you just send them the files and get fully stuffed boards back. In the
case of the Colorado assembler they even include a package of trail mix
when they ship. Yummy.

Many can also do the enclosure, final assy, tests and so on if you want
to. But it'll cost.

OTOH, you don't have to get on the newsgroups to ask vague questions
about where to get designs prototyped.

The more experienced you are, the less my advice applies, certainly. I
would be confident sending one of my board designs out of state, but not
a mechanical design.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

Joerg
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:12 pm   



Tim Wescott wrote:
Quote:
Joerg wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com
wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.
If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

I'd also add that your anticipated production level determines the
degree of care in your prototyping -- if you want to build 1000 a
month, then you probably want to have a prototype build in the 100's
before you step up to that level. If you're only ever going to sell
100 of the thing, then 'a few' really means 'three or four' and
you're fine.

If you're just having three or four done, getting it done as locally
as possible is a big plus. And by "locally" I mean just that -- all
else being equal -- if it costs you an extra 10% per unit to have it
done by a business within walking distance vs. one that's a 1/2 hour
drive away, give the job to your neighbor.



Depends on how well it is engineered out. My designs usually go
straight to a turnkey place. Since there seem to be no local ones left
they are all over the map, Southern California, Colorado, and so on.
Essentially you just send them the files and get fully stuffed boards
back. In the case of the Colorado assembler they even include a
package of trail mix when they ship. Yummy.

Many can also do the enclosure, final assy, tests and so on if you
want to. But it'll cost.

OTOH, you don't have to get on the newsgroups to ask vague questions
about where to get designs prototyped.

The more experienced you are, the less my advice applies, certainly. I
would be confident sending one of my board designs out of state, but not
a mechanical design.


We had to, in part because the environmental regs in CA have become so
onerous that certain galvanizing operations couldn't be done in-state
any longer. Sometimes things are even done overseas. Essentially you
send a CD with the AutoCad files and back comes a crate with your stuff.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

linnix
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:53 pm   



On Mar 5, 8:02 am, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 4, 11:18 pm, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Thank you for all of your reply, I really appreciate it.

Basically it is an innovation of an existing product. I want to make
it simpler with one chip solution (which is going well so far), and
using color OLED instead of monochrome LCD. This part is perplexing.
where can I get 3cm x 2cm OLED. .

I think I have a 3cm x 1.5cm white OLED. I can get color one, but
would take some time.
How many do you need?

Quote:

Thanks again
xc


linnix
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:10 pm   



On Mar 5, 9:53 am, linnix <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 5, 8:02 am, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 4, 11:18 pm, xc6800 <6...@hushmail.com> wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Thank you for all of your reply, I really appreciate it.

Basically it is an innovation of an existing product. I want to make
it simpler with one chip solution (which is going well so far), and
using color OLED instead of monochrome LCD. This part is perplexing.
where can I get 3cm x 2cm OLED. .

I think I have a 3cm x 1.5cm white OLED.  I can get color one, but
would take some time.
How many do you need?


PS: We have two color one:

Size Pixel
25mm x 13mm 96x64
20mm x 20mm 96x96

Other sizes may be available, depends on qty.

Tim Wescott
Guest

Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:57 pm   



xc6800 wrote:
Quote:
OTOH, you don't have to get on the newsgroups to ask vague questions
about where to get designs prototyped.


your are correct about that. sorry boss

Please don't apologize -- it was a perfectly reasonable question, even
if it was a bit vague.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

Spehro Pefhany
Guest

Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:12 am   



On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:51 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:18:49 -0800 (PST), xc6800 <6800_at_hushmail.com
wrote:

I have a design of an electronics devices. What company can I contact
to produce a few prototype for this design.

Thanks
xc

Often it's prudent to get the company who designed it to build the
prototypes.
If you really want a third party, it depends a bit on what you really
want. Just buying parts on your BOM, ordering a PCB from your Gerbers
and populating it, and you'll perform all testing?

Or perhaps your design is just a rough schematic and it's necessary to
gather further requirements, specify parts, complete mechanical
design, do layout, manufacturer or purchase mechanical part prototypes
and assemble a complete product.

What do you need the prototype for? Sales? Regulatory agency testing?
Just to prove the design out?

Cost will obviously vary over quite a range depending on the exact
requirements. We sometimes do this sort of thing if there is some
interesting engineering involved.

I'd also add that your anticipated production level determines the
degree of care in your prototyping -- if you want to build 1000 a
month, then you probably want to have a prototype build in the 100's
before you step up to that level. If you're only ever going to sell
100 of the thing, then 'a few' really means 'three or four' and
you're fine.

If you're just having three or four done, getting it done as locally
as possible is a big plus. And by "locally" I mean just that -- all
else being equal -- if it costs you an extra 10% per unit to have it
done by a business within walking distance vs. one that's a 1/2 hour
drive away, give the job to your neighbor.



Depends on how well it is engineered out. My designs usually go
straight to a turnkey place. Since there seem to be no local ones left
they are all over the map, Southern California, Colorado, and so on.
Essentially you just send them the files and get fully stuffed boards
back. In the case of the Colorado assembler they even include a
package of trail mix when they ship. Yummy.

Many can also do the enclosure, final assy, tests and so on if you
want to. But it'll cost.

OTOH, you don't have to get on the newsgroups to ask vague questions
about where to get designs prototyped.

The more experienced you are, the less my advice applies, certainly. I
would be confident sending one of my board designs out of state, but not
a mechanical design.


We had to, in part because the environmental regs in CA have become so
onerous that certain galvanizing operations couldn't be done in-state
any longer. Sometimes things are even done overseas. Essentially you
send a CD with the AutoCad files and back comes a crate with your stuff.

CD? Autocad? Crate?

All three are becoming extinct. ;-)

Crates because of creepy-crawleys. If you don't want to pay $thousands
per container for fumigation, plastic pallets and hard cartons are
better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISPM_15

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