Protel or ORcad?

Don,
Do you always make mindless arguments and arguments on points
that coincide with peoples comments?

25 years? Yeah right, were you in diapers then Don? If you
weren't then you would know that there was no CAD 25 years ago
unless you had mainframes or PDPs handy. Protel started approx.
1990 after the split between Nick M. and the Accel people. So
approx. 15 years, not 25 years.

Yes the unlimited version is lower priced than Protel, I told you
that as well. So you can save $1000 on a $8K package while you
spend $10K or more in training and support and setup costs to
adapt and start using the package reasonably well.

You critique me for mentioning Spectra as past-tense but
almost every comment you make about Protel is past tense as well.
Find anyone making comments about DXP and 5 service packs? DXP
had 2 SPs, DXP2004 is currently on SP2 with SP3 imminent. There
has been a wide acceptance of DXP from the start, very few users
went back to P99SE and that was mostly an initial GUI/familiarity
protest because they altered so many basic operations in the
program.

Find the comments that are not just past-tense, then maybe we
can talk. That is if the complaint is not just mindless cattle
fodder because the user figured it should do things or should do
them the same way as the package that they were used to using.

Then again, if you want to discuss the subject of the thread
feel free. Otherwise I don't know where Pulsonix was invited into
the conversation before you rudely pushed your way in like a used
car salesman with off topic comparisons and exaggerations of
price savings for lesser products that very well may not have met
the original request's needs.

"Brad Velander" <SpamThis_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:<8a4ae.1103698$8l.84305_at_pd7tw1no>...
Don,
Do you always make mindless arguments and arguments on
points
that coincide with peoples comments?

25 years? Yeah right, were you in diapers then Don? If
you
weren't then you would know that there was no CAD 25 years
ago
unless you had mainframes or PDPs handy. Protel started
approx.
1990 after the split between Nick M. and the Accel people. So
approx. 15 years, not 25 years.

Yes the unlimited version is lower priced than Protel, I told
you
that as well. So you can save $1000 on a $8K package while
you
spend $10K or more in training and support and setup costs to
adapt and start using the package reasonably well.

You critique me for mentioning Spectra as past-tense but
almost every comment you make about Protel is past tense as
well.
Find anyone making comments about DXP and 5 service packs?
DXP
had 2 SPs, DXP2004 is currently on SP2 with SP3 imminent.
There
has been a wide acceptance of DXP from the start, very few
users
went back to P99SE and that was mostly an initial
GUI/familiarity
protest because they altered so many basic operations in the
program.

Find the comments that are not just past-tense, then
maybe we
can talk. That is if the complaint is not just mindless
cattle
fodder because the user figured it should do things or should
do
them the same way as the package that they were used to
using.

Then again, if you want to discuss the subject of the
thread
feel free. Otherwise I don't know where Pulsonix was invited
into
the conversation before you rudely pushed your way in like a
used
car salesman with off topic comparisons and exaggerations of
price savings for lesser products that very well may not have
met
the original request's needs.

"mindless cattle fodder"...."pushed your way in like a used car
salesman"
Tsk, Tsk, Brad! Do I detect you're getting a triffle pissed...

Let's get something straight - Pulsonix is NOT a lesser product
than
Protel. It came in merely 'cos I said I wouldn't recommend
either
OrCAD or Protel and I mentioned what I use and recommend.

But let's face it - you're a fully paid-up Protel groupie. I
can see
that. Hearing something adverse about your pet product
obviously
offends your sensibilites. Calm down!

Prescott

"Brad Velander" <SpamThis_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:<8a4ae.1103698$8l.84305_at_pd7tw1no>...
Don,
Do you always make mindless arguments and arguments on points
that coincide with peoples comments?

25 years? Yeah right, were you in diapers then Don? If you
weren't then you would know that there was no CAD 25 years ago
unless you had mainframes or PDPs handy. Protel started approx.
1990 after the split between Nick M. and the Accel people. So
approx. 15 years, not 25 years.

Yes the unlimited version is lower priced than Protel, I told you
that as well. So you can save $1000 on a $8K package while you
spend $10K or more in training and support and setup costs to
adapt and start using the package reasonably well.

You critique me for mentioning Spectra as past-tense but
almost every comment you make about Protel is past tense as well.
Find anyone making comments about DXP and 5 service packs? DXP
had 2 SPs, DXP2004 is currently on SP2 with SP3 imminent. There
has been a wide acceptance of DXP from the start, very few users
went back to P99SE and that was mostly an initial GUI/familiarity
protest because they altered so many basic operations in the
program.

Find the comments that are not just past-tense, then maybe we
can talk. That is if the complaint is not just mindless cattle
fodder because the user figured it should do things or should do
them the same way as the package that they were used to using.

Then again, if you want to discuss the subject of the thread
feel free. Otherwise I don't know where Pulsonix was invited into
the conversation before you rudely pushed your way in like a used
car salesman with off topic comparisons and exaggerations of
price savings for lesser products that very well may not have met
the original request's needs.

"mindless cattle fodder"...."pushed your way in like a used car
salesman"
Tsk, Tsk, Brad! Do I detect you're getting a triffle pissed...

Let's get something straight - Pulsonix is NOT a lesser product than
Protel. It came in merely 'cos I said I wouldn't recommend either
OrCAD or Protel and I mentioned what I use and recommend.

But let's face it - you're a fully paid-up Protel groupie. I can see
that. Hearing something adverse about your pet product obviously
offends your sensibilites. Calm down!

"Don Prescott" <DMBPrescott_at_aol.com> wrote in message
news:7fb54666.0504221444.3579e0e_at_posting.google.com...
"Brad Velander" <SpamThis_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:<8a4ae.1103698$8l.84305_at_pd7tw1no>...
Don,
Do you always make mindless arguments and arguments on points
that coincide with peoples comments?

25 years? Yeah right, were you in diapers then Don? If you
weren't then you would know that there was no CAD 25 years ago
unless you had mainframes or PDPs handy. Protel started approx.
1990 after the split between Nick M. and the Accel people. So
approx. 15 years, not 25 years.

Yes the unlimited version is lower priced than Protel, I told you
that as well. So you can save $1000 on a $8K package while you
spend $10K or more in training and support and setup costs to
adapt and start using the package reasonably well.

You critique me for mentioning Spectra as past-tense but
almost every comment you make about Protel is past tense as well.
Find anyone making comments about DXP and 5 service packs? DXP
had 2 SPs, DXP2004 is currently on SP2 with SP3 imminent. There
has been a wide acceptance of DXP from the start, very few users
went back to P99SE and that was mostly an initial GUI/familiarity
protest because they altered so many basic operations in the
program.

Find the comments that are not just past-tense, then maybe we
can talk. That is if the complaint is not just mindless cattle
fodder because the user figured it should do things or should do
them the same way as the package that they were used to using.

Then again, if you want to discuss the subject of the thread
feel free. Otherwise I don't know where Pulsonix was invited into
the conversation before you rudely pushed your way in like a used
car salesman with off topic comparisons and exaggerations of
price savings for lesser products that very well may not have met
the original request's needs.

"mindless cattle fodder"...."pushed your way in like a used car
salesman"
Tsk, Tsk, Brad! Do I detect you're getting a triffle pissed...

Let's get something straight - Pulsonix is NOT a lesser product than
Protel. It came in merely 'cos I said I wouldn't recommend either
OrCAD or Protel and I mentioned what I use and recommend.

But let's face it - you're a fully paid-up Protel groupie. I can see
that. Hearing something adverse about your pet product obviously
offends your sensibilites. Calm down!

Steady on children.

I can only agree that if you had paid n-mega bucks for Protel you would
have
to be a 'protel groupie' to do so.
It circulates for free just about everywhere in PRC so it is cheaper to
fly
there and get a copy.

If you want to see reall sad groupies - what about the poor souls that
have
paid money for Cadstar?
Now that software really is b*ll*cks.

guys.. guys.. please .. lets keep it seemly in here..

There's no need to start a war over oil or CAD.. every one has their
preference ... and we are all groupies... If engineers weren't "strange"
and
quirky.. then we couldn't be engineers.. some of the greatest minds in
History have been so weird.. they put Hollywood to shame...

And there's something called Brand Loyalty.. companies do it all the
time..
that's why Apple have university programs.. and you can buy student
software
for one tenth the cost for commercial. Its not because students are
poor...
as Universities aren't.

I've been using protel for decades.. since 2.8.. and at the time it was
one
of the best for the dollar... things might be different now when there are
new start-ups around.. I still believe that for all the faults Protel has
been around for a long time.. and likely to be around for a long time to
come. so bugs will eventually be fixed and the usual theory of 1-2 years
delay or 3 service packs works. Pulsonix MIGHT be a better package right
now... but what is the company history? what are their upgrade plans ?
I looked at Pulsonixs and it reminded me of the older tools I've left
behind
as the graphical interface is still a little clunky but in saying that
Protel has grown slower and slower due to over doing the interface... for
better or for worse. Also the price has only one year maintaince for
Pulsonix.. but Protel is supported until the next release... and some
times
a little past.

Oh Brad how could you.... the 'f' word! You have been a very
bad boy!
Have you been missing your anger management classes.....?

From Simon peacock on about Protel DXP: "I am also on the DXP
beta
list.. There is about a service pack a month there."..."And yes
DXP is
buggy.." "I don't see my current company upgrading to DXP until
there
are a few more service packs."

So Brad old pal, how many service packs would you want before
you
would start using DXP...? Maybe 4 is about the right
number....
Seemingly "5" sends to into a fit.... Now calm down Brad, it's
only a
number.... breath deeply.....

I've never been called a little troll before...... What is a
troll..?

Prescott

"Simon Peacock" <nowhere_at_to.be.found> wrote in message
news:426b153b_at_news2.actrix.gen.nz...
guys.. guys.. please .. lets keep it seemly in here..

There's no need to start a war over oil or CAD.. every one has their
preference ... and we are all groupies... If engineers weren't "strange"
and
quirky.. then we couldn't be engineers.. some of the greatest minds in
History have been so weird.. they put Hollywood to shame...

And there's something called Brand Loyalty.. companies do it all the
time..
that's why Apple have university programs.. and you can buy student
software
for one tenth the cost for commercial. Its not because students are
poor...
as Universities aren't.

I've been using protel for decades.. since 2.8.. and at the time it was
one
of the best for the dollar... things might be different now when there
are
new start-ups around.. I still believe that for all the faults Protel
has
been around for a long time.. and likely to be around for a long time to
come. so bugs will eventually be fixed and the usual theory of 1-2
years
delay or 3 service packs works. Pulsonix MIGHT be a better package
right
now... but what is the company history? what are their upgrade plans ?
I looked at Pulsonixs and it reminded me of the older tools I've left
behind
as the graphical interface is still a little clunky but in saying that
Protel has grown slower and slower due to over doing the interface...
for
better or for worse. Also the price has only one year maintaince for
Pulsonix.. but Protel is supported until the next release... and some
times
a little past.

I've always thought the Pulsonix interface was very slick. In what way is
it
clunky? I've tried Protel, OrCAD and PADS and don't like any of them much,
compared to Pulsonix.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

It depends on what you are used too.. PCAD was all rectangles with square
ends.. so you didn't get a feeling of what was there..
Protel is wisiwig... probably too much so now. Pusonix reminded me of
autotrax.. or at least my initial look did.. unfortunately I had to remove
it as DXP's beta loaded a whole new copy.. and each new beta gradually
filled up my windows partition.

Now Don, how did you selectively miss Simon's comment from
just the other day? "Some of the bugs are even documentation
issues... on that side they have fallen well
short of 2.8 & 98. But for all its faults.. it is quite usable."

So, I'm adept at using quotes or partial quotes out of context
am
I.....Mmmmm
Well lets's look at what you just said:

Now Don, how did you selectively miss Simon's comment
from
just the other day? "Some of the bugs are even documentation
issues... on that side they have fallen well
short of 2.8 & 98. But for all its faults.. it is quite
usable."

"But for all it's faults it's quite usable......."!
note,completely
in context

I had a look at the latest price for Protel....$9995

So Brad, you recommend that folks shell $9995 for a product
that's
only "quite useable" do you. Can we take this to mean: "yep
it's
buggy and the router is pretty useless, but heck it's only ten
thousand dollars...."!!!!

I spent a whole lot less than that and I have a product that's
totally
useable....

And Brad, notice how I defeat your arguments, in context,
without
resorting to personal insults...

Prescott

This is so over, your just a fucking little wienie....

This is so over, your just a fucking little wienie....

Oh Brad, first I was a "troll" now I'm a "f**ing little
weanie".
Brad have you be overdosing on viagra yet again...? I'd answer
your
comments but I'm seriously worried about your blood pressure.

Prescott