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Uncle Peter
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:27 am   



Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

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Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:42 pm   



On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

Uncle Peter
Guest

Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:07 pm   



On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.


But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

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Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:30 am   



On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"


Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:33 pm   



On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"


Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?

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Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:56 pm   



On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe


Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:48 pm   



On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe


I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

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Daniel
Guest

Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:44 pm   



On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

Daniel

Uncle Peter
Guest

Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:44 pm   



On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:

Quote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:



Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.


The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown transformer.

--
She was as easy as the Daily Star crossword.

Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:33 am   



On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:



Research "capacitive"

Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Uncle Peter
Guest

Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:08 am   



On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.


Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

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crashed through a guardrail, rolled down a 90-foot embankment, turned over, and burst into flames.
There were no injuries.

Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:20 am   



On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return
path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Uncle Peter
Guest

Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:54 pm   



On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???


Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

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"Yes madam," said the clerk. "I'm quite certain that could be done. Would you prefer block or script letters ?"
"Braille," she replied.

Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:11 pm   



On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains
supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one
plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

Uncle Peter
Guest

Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:53 pm   



On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??


What?


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