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Daniel
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Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:06 pm   



On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe

I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return
path.

Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
.... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Daniel

Uncle Peter
Guest

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:05 am   



On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:

Quote:
On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!


Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE output wire, to the spike in the ball.

--
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"Be Jeysus!" he said, "I didn't even know they had mobile phones!"

Daniel
Guest

Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:09 pm   



On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:







Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains
supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one
plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!

Or something like that.

The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.

Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Daniel

Uncle Peter
Guest

Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:23 am   



On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:

Quote:
On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!


Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.

--
Confucius say: "People who make Confucius joke speak bad English."

Daniel
Guest

Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:51 pm   



On 22/04/14 04:23, Uncle Peter wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an
isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was
capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a
sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply
wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.

If it is capacitive, it is capacitive. Did you read where I mentioned
you shoe acting as the dielectric of a capacitor??

Alternatively, the three leads out of your box could be...
1. the high tension lead,
2. the power supplies (low) voltage lead, and,
3. the common (earth) rail used by both the high tension supply and the
low tension supply!!

Daniel

Uncle Peter
Guest

Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:00 am   



On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:51:38 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:

Quote:
On 22/04/14 04:23, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm_at_albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:

On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:











At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.

In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!

Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.

Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"

For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!

Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was
capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a
sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply
wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.

If it is capacitive, it is capacitive. Did you read where I mentioned
you shoe acting as the dielectric of a capacitor??


Yes I know. But the side of the capacitor connected to the HT supply is not visible.

Quote:
Alternatively, the three leads out of your box could be...
1. the high tension lead,
2. the power supplies (low) voltage lead, and,
3. the common (earth) rail used by both the high tension supply and the
low tension supply!!


Perhaps.

--
I go fishing; I catch nothing. I go to orgies; I catch everything.

Ian Field
Guest

Wed May 07, 2014 10:33 pm   



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xekjmqlmswtmtb_at_red.lan...
Quote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:









Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.

Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an
isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?

Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?


He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

Ian Field
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 12:04 am   



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xee23lcjswtmtb_at_red.lan...
Quote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?


Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 2:45 am   



On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xekjmqlmswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:











Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.


[screws up nose]

--
A patient tells the Doctor, "I've been going to a faith healer, but wasn't getting any better."
The Doctor smiled and said, "And what dumb advice did this phony give you?"
"He told me to come see you." replied the new patient.

Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 2:46 am   



On Wed, 07 May 2014 19:04:47 +0100, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xee23lcjswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull <rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.


It makes pretty colours.

--
_ _ _ ___ ___. . ___. . .
|\ /| \ | | / | | __| |___|
| \/ | | | \___| | | | |
| | _|_ . | ___| ___| | |

__ ___. ___. ___. _ ___. _____
/ | __| / | / | / \ / | |
| | | \___| \___| /___\ \___| |
\__| ___| | | / \ / | |

___. . . ___ . . . . ___
/ | | | / \ \ / | /| |
\___| | | | | \ | / | |
/ | \__/ \___/ \ |/ | _|_

___. ___ _____ _____ . . ___ _ _
/ | / \ | | | /| / \ |\ /|
\___| | | | | | / | | | | \/ |
/ | \___/ | __|__ |/ | \___/ | |

Ian Field
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 2:51 am   



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xfibyfeqswtmtb_at_red.lan...
Quote:
On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field
gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xekjmqlmswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com> wrote:

On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:











Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???

Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!

Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]


The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.

Ian Field
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 2:58 am   



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xfiby0cvswtmtb_at_red.lan...
Quote:
On Wed, 07 May 2014 19:04:47 +0100, Ian Field
gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xee23lcjswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

It makes pretty colours.


How can you tell when its round the back there?

Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 3:21 am   



On Wed, 07 May 2014 21:51:20 +0100, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xfibyfeqswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field
gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xekjmqlmswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:













Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.


What if it sits on your and breaks your neck?

--
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!

Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 3:22 am   



On Wed, 07 May 2014 21:51:20 +0100, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xfibyfeqswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Wed, 07 May 2014 17:33:01 +0100, Ian Field
gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xekjmqlmswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:11:26 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:













Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??

What?

He wants to know if you use KY jelly or Swarfega.

[screws up nose]

The best cure for wrinkles is; stick your head up a cow's arse.


Or a goat?!?
http://chickensintheroad.com/wp-content/uploads/dadmilk11.jpg

--
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Uncle Peter
Guest

Thu May 08, 2014 3:23 am   



On Wed, 07 May 2014 21:58:40 +0100, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:

Quote:


"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xfiby0cvswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Wed, 07 May 2014 19:04:47 +0100, Ian Field
gangprobing.alien_at_ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Uncle Peter" <no_at_spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.xee23lcjswtmtb_at_red.lan...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly_at_bigslong.com
wrote:

On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:

It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.

But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that
somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to the
centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?

Its a really camp toy - you're not supposed to understand how it works.

It makes pretty colours.

How can you tell when its round the back there?


http://www.kinkyblogs.net/uploads/0310/pictures-bondage-forced-public-nudity-humiliation.jpg

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