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Jim Thompson
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:38 pm   



http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile

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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Joerg
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:52 pm   



Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile


They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

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Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

John Larkin
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:57 pm   



On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:52:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile


They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.

John

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John Larkin, President Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro. tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

Joerg
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:10 pm   



John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:52:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile

They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.


You could easily dodge such stupid legislation. Just set up a "Highland
Technology of Cheyenne" subsidiary and have it issue company cars. Gets
you the nice Wyoming plates, too. I like those because of the horse and
cowboy on it.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:04 pm   



mpm wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 28, 1:57 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.

John


They probably considered naming it "Sequioa", but Toyota beat 'em to
it - plus the California environmentalists would be all up in arms
over a name like that. Smile
Still, I wonder how far one could travel buring a single sequioa as
fuel, assuming you didn't have to haul it with you, of course. ??


These guys tested it in a Chevy station wagon:

http://www.russellecon.com/vehicles.html

They claim less one cord worth of wood scraps for a trip of 2500mi from
FL to CA. That's not bad at all.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

mpm
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:05 pm   



On Jan 28, 1:57 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Quote:
GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.

John


They probably considered naming it "Sequioa", but Toyota beat 'em to
it - plus the California environmentalists would be all up in arms
over a name like that. Smile
Still, I wonder how far one could travel buring a single sequioa as
fuel, assuming you didn't have to haul it with you, of course. ??

-mpm

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:45 am   



On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:04:56 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
mpm wrote:
On Jan 28, 1:57 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.

John


They probably considered naming it "Sequioa", but Toyota beat 'em to
it - plus the California environmentalists would be all up in arms
over a name like that. Smile
Still, I wonder how far one could travel buring a single sequioa as
fuel, assuming you didn't have to haul it with you, of course. ??


These guys tested it in a Chevy station wagon:

http://www.russellecon.com/vehicles.html

They claim less one cord worth of wood scraps for a trip of 2500mi from
FL to CA. That's not bad at all.

The equivalent of 16-17 miles per gallon[*] doesn't sound all that great to me
unless you have a free source of wood. Europe found out what happens when
everyone uses wood.

[*]http://www.enoslandscape.com/wood-oil.php

Joerg
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:53 am   



krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:04:56 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

mpm wrote:
On Jan 28, 1:57 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.

John

They probably considered naming it "Sequioa", but Toyota beat 'em to
it - plus the California environmentalists would be all up in arms
over a name like that. Smile
Still, I wonder how far one could travel buring a single sequioa as
fuel, assuming you didn't have to haul it with you, of course. ??

These guys tested it in a Chevy station wagon:

http://www.russellecon.com/vehicles.html

They claim less one cord worth of wood scraps for a trip of 2500mi from
FL to CA. That's not bad at all.

The equivalent of 16-17 miles per gallon[*] doesn't sound all that great to me
unless you have a free source of wood. Europe found out what happens when
everyone uses wood.

[*]http://www.enoslandscape.com/wood-oil.php


We and the whole rest of the world will some day find out what happens
when everyone uses gasoline or Diesel :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Nico Coesel
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:06 am   



Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile


They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

A lot of people make that mistake. About half the energy that was used
to generate electricity reaches the outlet. If you compare fuel
consumption you will find out that a car with an efficient diesel
engine (like the one in my 12 year old car or in a new VW Golf TDI
bluemotion) consumes the same weight of fossile fuel per distance as
an electric car like the Chevrelot Volt (aka Opel Ampera) or the
Nissan Leaf.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico_at_nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

Joerg
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:33 am   



Nico Coesel wrote:
Quote:
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile

They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

A lot of people make that mistake. About half the energy that was used
to generate electricity reaches the outlet. If you compare fuel
consumption you will find out that a car with an efficient diesel
engine (like the one in my 12 year old car or in a new VW Golf TDI
bluemotion) consumes the same weight of fossile fuel per distance as
an electric car like the Chevrelot Volt (aka Opel Ampera) or the
Nissan Leaf.


Yes, except that you can't make the fuel for your Diesel engine in a
nuclear power station or with a wind turbine.

Here in California we'd need a solar installation on pretty much every
roof. With 4c/kWh reimbursement that just ain't gonna happen.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:17 am   



On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:53:14 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:04:56 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

mpm wrote:
On Jan 28, 1:57 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

GM is about to announce the Oak, a wood-burning SUV.

John

They probably considered naming it "Sequioa", but Toyota beat 'em to
it - plus the California environmentalists would be all up in arms
over a name like that. Smile
Still, I wonder how far one could travel buring a single sequioa as
fuel, assuming you didn't have to haul it with you, of course. ??

These guys tested it in a Chevy station wagon:

http://www.russellecon.com/vehicles.html

They claim less one cord worth of wood scraps for a trip of 2500mi from
FL to CA. That's not bad at all.

The equivalent of 16-17 miles per gallon[*] doesn't sound all that great to me
unless you have a free source of wood. Europe found out what happens when
everyone uses wood.

[*]http://www.enoslandscape.com/wood-oil.php


We and the whole rest of the world will some day find out what happens
when everyone uses gasoline or Diesel Smile

It'll be too expensive. It'll be nukes, sooner or later.

Martin Riddle
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:10 am   



"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:9ojie6F1ohU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Quote:
Nico Coesel wrote:
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?:-)

They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come
from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I
have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

A lot of people make that mistake. About half the energy that was
used
to generate electricity reaches the outlet. If you compare fuel
consumption you will find out that a car with an efficient diesel
engine (like the one in my 12 year old car or in a new VW Golf TDI
bluemotion) consumes the same weight of fossile fuel per distance as
an electric car like the Chevrelot Volt (aka Opel Ampera) or the
Nissan Leaf.


Yes, except that you can't make the fuel for your Diesel engine in a
nuclear power station or with a wind turbine.

Here in California we'd need a solar installation on pretty much every
roof. With 4c/kWh reimbursement that just ain't gonna happen.

--

What? the market isn't driving sales of PV solar?

;D
Cheers

John Larkin
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:16 am   



On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:33:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Nico Coesel wrote:
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?Smile

They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

A lot of people make that mistake. About half the energy that was used
to generate electricity reaches the outlet. If you compare fuel
consumption you will find out that a car with an efficient diesel
engine (like the one in my 12 year old car or in a new VW Golf TDI
bluemotion) consumes the same weight of fossile fuel per distance as
an electric car like the Chevrelot Volt (aka Opel Ampera) or the
Nissan Leaf.


Yes, except that you can't make the fuel for your Diesel engine in a
nuclear power station or with a wind turbine.

Here in California we'd need a solar installation on pretty much every
roof. With 4c/kWh reimbursement that just ain't gonna happen.

I don't understand residential PV solar. The economy of scale is
crazy.


--

John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

P E Schoen
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:11 am   



"Joerg" wrote in message news:9oiufkFaipU1_at_mid.individual.net...

Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/86m3yt7

Joerg, When are you buying one ?:-)

They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to
come from. Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage!
How could I have missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

I admit to being a long-time environmentalist and "progressive", but making
laws to ban certain types of vehicles or light bulbs or whatever in the name
of the environment. Electric vehicles and hybrids and other efficient means
of transportation are only part of the solution to a very real problem of
excessive wasteful consumption and resource depletion. Everyone should pay
the real cost of the resources they purchase, including harm to the
environment and peoples' health and welfare, and the costs of the wars we
engage in to protect and procure the oil we have become accustomed to.

The way around this stupid law, and actually be even more environmentally
and economically responsible, is to purchase perfectly good used vehicles
that get excellent fuel economy, such as my 1999 Saturn. It averages about
35 mpg and can attain over 45 mpg on a long trip. Yet it only cost $4200
four years ago, and I've only spent a couple thousand since then on
maintenance. All of that money goes to my local auto dealer and mechanic,
rather than the fat cats in Detroit or overseas.

And having plug-in hybrids and EVs connected to the grid at night amount to
a form of load leveling and local energy storage similar to that offered by
solar and wind systems. That big outlet in the garage works both ways.

Paul


Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:42 am   



On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:06:14 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

Quote:
They haven't even figured out where the power is supposed to come from.
Oh, wait, I know, the big wall outlet in the garage! How could I have
missed that? ... Oh, wait ...

A lot of people make that mistake. About half the energy that was used
to generate electricity reaches the outlet.

That is pretty optimistic and would require a lot of hydroelectric
plants (efficiency over 90 %) in the production mix. Steam turbine
based systems are limited by the Carnot efficiency to 30-40 %, no
matter if the primary heat is produced by biomass, coal, oil or
nuclear.

However, in a fixed power plant, it is easier to use the waste heat,
e.g. for district heating/cooling than in a mobile diesel engine.

Quote:
If you compare fuel
consumption you will find out that a car with an efficient diesel
engine (like the one in my 12 year old car or in a new VW Golf TDI
bluemotion) consumes the same weight of fossile fuel per distance as
an electric car like the Chevrelot Volt (aka Opel Ampera) or the
Nissan Leaf.

In cold climates, the engine waste heat is used to heat the cabin.
Electric vehicles, with high local efficiency, do not produce enough
waste heat, so some extra heater based on fossil fuels may be needed.
Otherwise, the EV range would be severely limited, if the batteries
are also used to heat the cabin.

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