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Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:45 am   



I appreciate the offer of help, Rick C.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

David Brown
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:45 pm   



On 02/12/2018 01:18, gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com wrote:

Quote:
I'm sorry this thread ended this way. I was hoping to help him make some progress on his design and his understanding of how to design logic. But I can't say I am surprised. He seems to have difficulties in understanding how others think in general. So it shouldn't be a surprise that he had trouble understanding the concepts we tried to explain to him. I guess that is also why he hasn't learned very much from all the many sources available on the web and in books.


Agreed. I have tried many times to help Rick (mostly in programming
groups, rather than this one). Sometimes it seems he learns a bit from
what I write, but sooner or later it ends with me or others telling him
he needs to learn more, or reduce the scope of his ambition, or re-think
the direction he is heading, and then we who help are declared to be
evil, negative influences, possessed by the devil (yes, apparently I am
possessed), or - as now - the worst sort of criminal.


Quote:
I think that is the main reason why this group is relatively dead now. Most people have found other, very easy ways to learn digital logic design. Rich seems intent on literally reinventing the wheel in terms of digital logic design. Nothing he finds is good enough because it isn't the way he has already started thinking without even trying to understand how others do it.


Most Usenet groups are relatively dead (at least, most technical and
useful ones). People have other ways to ask questions and share
knowledge. I can't comprehend why people ("the youth of today") seem to
prefer web-based forums, but they do.

Still, even a quite group like this gets interesting discussions
sometimes, although I am mostly a lurker here as I haven't done much
programmable logic design for a long time.

Richard Damon
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:45 pm   



On 12/2/18 7:13 AM, David Brown wrote:
Quote:
On 02/12/2018 01:18, gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com wrote:

I'm sorry this thread ended this way.  I was hoping to help him make
some progress on his design and his understanding of how to design
logic.  But I can't say I am surprised.  He seems to have difficulties
in understanding how others think in general.  So it shouldn't be a
surprise that he had trouble understanding the concepts we tried to
explain to him.  I guess that is also why he hasn't learned very much
from all the many sources available on the web and in books.


Agreed.  I have tried many times to help Rick (mostly in programming
groups, rather than this one).  Sometimes it seems he learns a bit from
what I write, but sooner or later it ends with me or others telling him
he needs to learn more, or reduce the scope of his ambition, or re-think
the direction he is heading, and then we who help are declared to be
evil, negative influences, possessed by the devil (yes, apparently I am
possessed), or - as now - the worst sort of criminal.


I see Rick a bit different. He has taken on an enormous mission,
prompted by a blind faith that this is his calling and that by some
supernatural power he will be able to succeed.

He has learned enough about a lot of things, 'to be dangerous', but not
enough to really have an expertise of the level really needed to succeed
at his mission.

He seems to refuse to learn from the mistakes of others, and doesn't
look at history, perhaps due to his feeling of calling, and as such he
is doomed to repeat most of the mistakes of the past, which will mean it
will take him a long time to get to where he wants to get to. He somehow
thinks that he will get the insight to bypass the issues that others had
in those attempts, and somehow overlooked the answer.

He also has the typical fanatical mindset that anyone trying to change
his mind about anything remotely based on what he has taken of faith,
must be from an evil source, since he can't be wrong.

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:45 pm   



On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:30:05 AM UTC-5, Richard Damon wrote:
Quote:
On 12/2/18 7:13 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2018 01:18, gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com wrote:

I'm sorry this thread ended this way.  I was hoping to help him make
some progress on his design and his understanding of how to design
logic.  But I can't say I am surprised.  He seems to have difficulties
in understanding how others think in general.  So it shouldn't be a
surprise that he had trouble understanding the concepts we tried to
explain to him.  I guess that is also why he hasn't learned very much
from all the many sources available on the web and in books.


Agreed.  I have tried many times to help Rick (mostly in programming
groups, rather than this one).  Sometimes it seems he learns a bit from
what I write, but sooner or later it ends with me or others telling him
he needs to learn more, or reduce the scope of his ambition, or re-think
the direction he is heading, and then we who help are declared to be
evil, negative influences, possessed by the devil (yes, apparently I am
possessed), or - as now - the worst sort of criminal.

I see Rick a bit different. He has taken on an enormous mission,
prompted by a blind faith that this is his calling and that by some
supernatural power he will be able to succeed.

He has learned enough about a lot of things, 'to be dangerous', but not
enough to really have an expertise of the level really needed to succeed
at his mission.

He seems to refuse to learn from the mistakes of others, and doesn't
look at history, perhaps due to his feeling of calling, and as such he
is doomed to repeat most of the mistakes of the past, which will mean it
will take him a long time to get to where he wants to get to. He somehow
thinks that he will get the insight to bypass the issues that others had
in those attempts, and somehow overlooked the answer.

He also has the typical fanatical mindset that anyone trying to change
his mind about anything remotely based on what he has taken of faith,
must be from an evil source, since he can't be wrong.


This is not my position.

I am seeking to build a foundation that is based on an explicit
offering unto the Lord, prayed over, pursued toward Him, and not
just to get it done. It is the best of what He first gave me given
back to Him.

I receive offered help when it comes from a commensurate offering,
but other help comes from other foundations and I cannot receive and
integrate that help into my project because it's not an offering of
legitimate giving with a desire to help, it's more like, "This is
how you do it [moron]," and such attitudes are of the enemy spirit.

There really is a 1 00% division in this world between the saved
and unsaved. The goals I pursue are my best offering unto the Lord,
guven in explicit holiness for Him, weak and failing as they are,
they are still my best.

When others seek to serve the Lord, for the Lord, with their skills,
then that help will be integrated because it will integrate in the
way of love and offering and peace, and not from some other source.

You can listen to my philosophy in this video I recorded back in
2012. It begins about 35 minutes into the video, and was a total
surprise to me when I recorded it. Unplanned, it's summed up my whole
thinking nicely:

http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv

You may understand if you listen.

I keep hoping and praying others will come on board and help. We are
stronger together than apart, but it must be for the Lord and not for
other reasons.

--
Rick C. Hodgin


Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:45 pm   



On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:47:28 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
Quote:

I keep hoping and praying others will come on board and help. We are
stronger together than apart, but it must be for the Lord and not for
other reasons.


This reminds me of the joke about the man on the roof of his flooded home. A person in a rowboat offers help and the man replies, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith." A helicopter hovers overhead and offers help and the man replies, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith." A motorboat comes by offering help and the man replies, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith." Soon the water rises above the roof and the man drowns.

On reaching heaven the man asks the lord why he wasn't saved. The lord replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"

I would suggest you stop turning away motorboats, Richard.

Rick C.

Tesla referral code ---+ https://ts.la/richard11209

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:45 pm   



On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 9:09:35 AM UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> I would suggest you stop turning away motorboats, Richard.

My goals are holiness, Rick C. Not just getting it done. You do not
bring a corrupt offering before the Lord. You bring Him one without
spot or blemish. In this modern age of post-Pentecost, that means one
of holiness, sincerity, purpose, and given in sanctification and prayer.

Also, my name is "Rick," Rick C. Not Rich. Not Richard. I have
never posted using those names, so you disrespect me by your twist.

I am Frederick Clarkson Hodgin, III. My grandfather was Fred, my dad
is Clark, that left remaining names for me:

Frederick Clarkson
----erick -----son

My mother dated someone named Erick before she knew my father, so "Rick"
it was.

Do you have any non-worldly-focused goals, Rick C? Or is it all just
a job to you? That joke is a poor example because it's obvious the
Lord answered his prayer by sending him help to save his life. Nonetheless,
there are times you stay on the figurative roof and drown rather than
partake of worldly sin. You cannot receive unholiness and build a
holy foundation. In the Bible, David could not build the house of
God to hold the ark of the covenant, because he had too much blood on
his hands:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Chronicles+28%3A1-5&version=KJV

I am worse than David, yet the Lord has cleansed and sanctified me
by His washing of blood at the cross. I now seek actively to honor Him
in the full range of efforts I do. And I still fail a lot, but my true
intent is unto Him, and my failings are not of attitude, and I repent when
I fail, regroup, and move ahead. I also face many spiritual battles,
which are designed to hinder me. Many of you are instruments of those
spiritual battles, yet because of sin you are unaware of how you are
being used to do harm. One day you will see it and know.

--
Rick C. Hodgin


Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:45 pm   



søndag den 2. december 2018 kl. 16.16.21 UTC+1 skrev Rick C. Hodgin:
Quote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 9:09:35 AM UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I would suggest you stop turning away motorboats, Richard.

My goals are holiness, Rick C. Not just getting it done. You do not
bring a corrupt offering before the Lord. You bring Him one without
spot or blemish. In this modern age of post-Pentecost, that means one
of holiness, sincerity, purpose, and given in sanctification and prayer.

Also, my name is "Rick," Rick C. Not Rich. Not Richard. I have
never posted using those names, so you disrespect me by your twist.

I am Frederick Clarkson Hodgin, III. My grandfather was Fred, my dad
is Clark, that left remaining names for me:

Frederick Clarkson
----erick -----son

My mother dated someone named Erick before she knew my father, so "Rick"
it was.

Do you have any non-worldly-focused goals, Rick C? Or is it all just
a job to you? That joke is a poor example because it's obvious the
Lord answered his prayer by sending him help to save his life. Nonetheless,
there are times you stay on the figurative roof and drown rather than
partake of worldly sin. You cannot receive unholiness and build a
holy foundation. In the Bible, David could not build the house of
God to hold the ark of the covenant, because he had too much blood on
his hands:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Chronicles+28%3A1-5&version=KJV

I am worse than David, yet the Lord has cleansed and sanctified me
by His washing of blood at the cross. I now seek actively to honor Him
in the full range of efforts I do. And I still fail a lot, but my true
intent is unto Him, and my failings are not of attitude, and I repent when
I fail, regroup, and move ahead. I also face many spiritual battles,
which are designed to hinder me. Many of you are instruments of those
spiritual battles, yet because of sin you are unaware of how you are
being used to do harm. One day you will see it and know.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

David Brown
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm   



On 02/12/2018 14:47, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:30:05 AM UTC-5, Richard Damon wrote:
On 12/2/18 7:13 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2018 01:18, gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com wrote:

I'm sorry this thread ended this way.  I was hoping to help him make
some progress on his design and his understanding of how to design
logic.  But I can't say I am surprised.  He seems to have difficulties
in understanding how others think in general.  So it shouldn't be a
surprise that he had trouble understanding the concepts we tried to
explain to him.  I guess that is also why he hasn't learned very much
from all the many sources available on the web and in books.


Agreed.  I have tried many times to help Rick (mostly in programming
groups, rather than this one).  Sometimes it seems he learns a bit from
what I write, but sooner or later it ends with me or others telling him
he needs to learn more, or reduce the scope of his ambition, or re-think
the direction he is heading, and then we who help are declared to be
evil, negative influences, possessed by the devil (yes, apparently I am
possessed), or - as now - the worst sort of criminal.

I see Rick a bit different. He has taken on an enormous mission,
prompted by a blind faith that this is his calling and that by some
supernatural power he will be able to succeed.

He has learned enough about a lot of things, 'to be dangerous', but not
enough to really have an expertise of the level really needed to succeed
at his mission.

He seems to refuse to learn from the mistakes of others, and doesn't
look at history, perhaps due to his feeling of calling, and as such he
is doomed to repeat most of the mistakes of the past, which will mean it
will take him a long time to get to where he wants to get to. He somehow
thinks that he will get the insight to bypass the issues that others had
in those attempts, and somehow overlooked the answer.

He also has the typical fanatical mindset that anyone trying to change
his mind about anything remotely based on what he has taken of faith,
must be from an evil source, since he can't be wrong.

This is not my position.


It is quite clear that this is your position. But like several aspects
of what you do and write, I don't think you are fully aware of it. (And
as always, this is an independent observation, not an insult.) You are
convinced that your positions in many respects are "divinely inspired"
in some way. Now, I am not going to say that this is not the case -
what I believe here does not matter. However, how you /interpret/ your
divine inspiration, and what you do with it, is a purely human matter -
it is up to /you/.

Thus when many people tell you that you are wrong about something, it is
entirely possible that you /are/ wrong, despite divine inspiration. The
people driving the motorboats and helicopters may not believe in the
same god you do - that does not mean they are not there to help. And
who are you to say that folks like Rick and I are not giving you the
guidance you asked god for?

Quote:

I am seeking to build a foundation that is based on an explicit
offering unto the Lord, prayed over, pursued toward Him, and not
just to get it done. It is the best of what He first gave me given
back to Him.


Again, it seems clear that you believe this - but that is not close to
the image you project. You give the image of astounding arrogance and
pride - that you believe you alone have been chosen to re-create all
programming, software, hardware, and even the tools used to make them,
and that you alone are good enough for the job because no one else
measures up to your standards of purity.

Quote:

I receive offered help when it comes from a commensurate offering,
but other help comes from other foundations and I cannot receive and
integrate that help into my project because it's not an offering of
legitimate giving with a desire to help, it's more like, "This is
how you do it [moron]," and such attitudes are of the enemy spirit.


That does not apply to any of the help you have been given here, in this
thread. Certainly there are people in groups that you have annoyed so
consistently that they directly insult you - and certainly there are
some people who are just rude anyway.

People do sometimes tell you your ideas are moronic (or words to that
effect). That is not the same thing as saying /you/ are a moron. I
don't think you are a moron, but I /do/ think some of the things you say
or plan are truly stupid.

I assume that when you tell people they are the worst sort of criminals,
or possessed by daemons, or simply evil or negative people, you are
doing it because you think it might help them. And yet if someone else
says something as mild as "this is probably not the best way to reach
your goals" or "you need to go back and learn some basics", they are
evil and negative and fighting against you.

Quote:
There really is a 1 00% division in this world between the saved
and unsaved. The goals I pursue are my best offering unto the Lord,
guven in explicit holiness for Him, weak and failing as they are,
they are still my best.

When others seek to serve the Lord, for the Lord, with their skills,
then that help will be integrated because it will integrate in the
way of love and offering and peace, and not from some other source.


Most other people do not agree with you about your beliefs. That does
not mean they are working against you, or against your god. As far as
they are concerned, your god does not exist - they don't work against
him any more than they work against the Martians. The world - and
people - are not as black-or-white as you think.

Quote:
You can listen to my philosophy in this video I recorded back in
2012. It begins about 35 minutes into the video, and was a total
surprise to me when I recorded it. Unplanned, it's summed up my whole
thinking nicely:

http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv

You may understand if you listen.

I keep hoping and praying others will come on board and help. We are
stronger together than apart, but it must be for the Lord and not for
other reasons.


Julio Di Egidio
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm   



On Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:46:41 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:

Quote:
Most other people do not agree with you about your beliefs. That does
not mean they are working against you, or against your god. As far as
they are concerned, your god does not exist - they don't work against
him any more than they work against the Martians. The world - and
people - are not as black-or-white as you think.


And, as far as they are concerned, the US is the greatest nation in the
Universe, bringing democracy and progress to us all.

Can you see the pattern there?

Aka, congratulations for your anti-(anti-)dogmatism...

*Plonk*

Julio

Julio Di Egidio
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm   



On Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:34:19 UTC+1, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:23:36 UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-5, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
And, as far as they are concerned, the US is the greatest nation in the
Universe, bringing democracy and progress to us all.

Can you see the pattern there?

Julio, you and others here speak in generalizations. You blanket-categorize
someone like me into your own thinking

Man, I wasn't replying to you... (and mine are not generalisations).


Plus you've snipped too much: it seems I am bashing the US, which was NOT the
fucking point...

Julio

Julio Di Egidio
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm   



On Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:23:36 UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-5, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
And, as far as they are concerned, the US is the greatest nation in the
Universe, bringing democracy and progress to us all.

Can you see the pattern there?

Julio, you and others here speak in generalizations. You blanket-categorize
someone like me into your own thinking


Man, I wasn't replying to you... (and mine are not generalisations).

Julio

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:45 pm   



On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-5, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
Quote:
And, as far as they are concerned, the US is the greatest nation in the
Universe, bringing democracy and progress to us all.

Can you see the pattern there?


Julio, you and others here speak in generalizations. You blanket-categorize
someone like me into your own thinking without coming to search or pursue
the details or facts about an individual's actual beliefs, or what the Bible
actually teaches.

This is a tool the enemy uses to make it easier for people to disregard the
legitimate Christians teaching people the truth about the Bible, because the
generalization allows them to be lumped into the common category with people
who are clearly teaching or believing false things (with regards to the true
teachings of the Bible).

The enemy hopes people will generalize and only glance at the surface and
then discount the entire thing by what it appears to be in your own thinking,
and not in the actual details, so that you can remain where you are in your
ignorant and uninformed position.

What the Bible teaches, what true Christians teach, is different from what
most mainstream Christian positions are, and especially so in America where
there are people mocking God each day by calling themselves Christians yet
living like the rest of the world does.

Being a Christian, being saved, being the true called of God, truly means
something. It changes a person to have that new spirit life input into
their own life, and the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. It's a true and
serious calling, and that's the true and serious calling I point people
to, and pursue with great effort in my life.

You should read the writings of Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield and
Charles Spurgeon. They've been dead a long time, yet the tone of their
writings rings out in the hearts of born again Christians today with such
fire and passion ... their writings and words align with our core even in
this modern world.

-----
Satan uses many tools to trap people into disbelief. There is one path,
the narrow path, entered in at the narrow gate, which is of Christ and
leads to Christ. But there are many other paths leading in many other
directions, all of which Satan owns.

No matter what your interests are ... if they are not first focused on
Christ, you are on the path to Hell. The good news (the "gospel") is
that it doesn't have to be that way. Jesus came to save all people. He
even came to save the sinners.

It breaks a Christian's heart to see the enemy's stronghold so tightly
gripped around a person's soul. I used to be one of them, but God reached
into my life and changed me. If He can turn around a hard heart like mine
being against Him to such a degree, He can do the same for anyone.

It really is new life. Spirit life. The old passes away. The new is here.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

David Brown
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:45 pm   



On 02/12/2018 20:07, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:46:41 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:

Most other people do not agree with you about your beliefs. That does
not mean they are working against you, or against your god. As far as
they are concerned, your god does not exist - they don't work against
him any more than they work against the Martians. The world - and
people - are not as black-or-white as you think.

And, as far as they are concerned, the US is the greatest nation in the
Universe, bringing democracy and progress to us all.

Can you see the pattern there?

Aka, congratulations for your anti-(anti-)dogmatism...

*Plonk*

Julio


If you are serious about your plonk, you won't be reading this - but I
know some people use "plonk" as a threat rather actually carrying it out.

I am completely at a loss to figure out what you mean here. I said that
most people do not agree with Rick's beliefs - that is simple fact. And
I said this does not mean they are against him or his god - that is also
simple fact, but it is one that causes Rick a good deal of trouble.

How you see that as being related to American politics or nationalism is
beyond my comprehension. Would it help if I pointed out that I am not
American, nor do I live there or have anything to do with that country?

David Brown
Guest

Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:45 pm   



On 02/12/2018 20:37, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:34:19 UTC+1, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
On Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:23:36 UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-5, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
And, as far as they are concerned, the US is the greatest nation in the
Universe, bringing democracy and progress to us all.

Can you see the pattern there?

Julio, you and others here speak in generalizations. You blanket-categorize
someone like me into your own thinking

Man, I wasn't replying to you... (and mine are not generalisations).

Plus you've snipped too much: it seems I am bashing the US, which was NOT the
fucking point...


Would you care to explain what your point was?


Guest

Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:45 am   



On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 10:16:21 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 9:09:35 AM UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I would suggest you stop turning away motorboats, Richard.

My goals are holiness, Rick C. Not just getting it done. You do not
bring a corrupt offering before the Lord.


Exactly. I would never bring a corrupt offering. That is why I have given the advice I have given, to help you with your offering so it will not be corrupt, rather perfect.

I do worship perfection. It has always been a goal in my life. You may denigrate my ideals, but that does not matter to me. I have largely met my goals and been able to offer what is whole and good.


Quote:
Also, my name is "Rick," Rick C. Not Rich. Not Richard. I have
never posted using those names, so you disrespect me by your twist.


No disrespect. I thought your given name was Richard, I stand corrected.


Quote:
Do you have any non-worldly-focused goals, Rick C? Or is it all just
a job to you?


It has never been just a job to me and I have had a hard time keeping a job because of that. Instead I had to find my own way by learning from others and using their knowledge in ways that worked for me. In the end I found my own path and have been following it to very happy conclusions.


Quote:
That joke is a poor example because it's obvious the
Lord answered his prayer by sending him help to save his life.


The Lord sent help, but he didn't recognize that the help was sent by God and so was rejected, much as you reject the help you are offered because you don't recognize the value in the help and instead try to get us to learn what you have figured out, even though it is very incomplete and not likely to rescue you from your morass.


Quote:
Nonetheless,
there are times you stay on the figurative roof and drown rather than
partake of worldly sin.


There was nothing unholy in the joke. All the potential salvations were sent by the Lord yet ignored.

Don't make the same mistake thinking no one else is uncorrupted enough to help you.

Rick C.

Tesla referral code --+- https://ts.la/richard11209

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