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Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:54 pm
Ban wrote:
Quote:
[snip]
Some facts seem strange
1. Why did he target the Echelon building and not the tax office?
2. Were the casualties really only 2 persons? The fire seems to have
devastated even more than one floor.
It depsnds on what time he hit the building. If they are federal
employees, they are all out of there and hanging around Starbucks after
about 9:00 AM.
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:09 pm
MooseFET wrote:
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[snip]
The "war on terror" is one that has no start and no end. It really is
an effort to reduce its success rate low enough that people don't see
it as working. In the last few decades there has been a major loss in
the battle because of things like the closing of the Prince Sultan Air
Base and us all being subject to pat downs at airports. It is obvious
to those who would use terror that it gets results.
The "War on <insert activity here>" is legalese used to circumvent
certain constitutional safeguards. If you can declare a war on something
rather then treating it as a law enforcement problem (where habeus
corpus and the right to a speedy trial are protected). It allows some
things to be done by presidential decree rather than having Congress or
the courts handle it through normal channels.
Personnaly, Im waiting for a War on Driving Too Slow in the Left Lane.
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Charlie E.
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:57 pm
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:15:37 -0800 (PST), brent
<bulegoge_at_columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 18, 8:44 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
The guy who reportedly just flew a plane into the Texas IRS building was an
enginner.
His apparent "suicide note" outlines some issues with being a contract
engineer in the US:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash.profile/?hpt=T1
The note:http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/18/stack.letter.pdf
Dave.
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And also issues with the Catholic Church, churches in general, issues
with George Bush, issues with capitalism and issues with our non-
socialistic health care system.
He was another lefty filled with hate and rage. Kind of like that
killer in Alabama.
The guy who reportedly just flew a plane into the Texas IRS building was an
enginner.
His apparent "suicide note" outlines some issues with being a contract
engineer in the US:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash.profile/?hpt=T1
The note:http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/18/stack.letter.pdf
Dave.
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And also issues with the Catholic Church, churches in general, issues
with George Bush, issues with capitalism and issues with our non-
socialistic health care system.
He was another lefty filled with hate and rage. Kind of like that
killer in Alabama.
No, he was like many engineers, knowledgeable on technical matters,
but little appreciation of financial matters. He appears to first
have been taken in by some tax fraud scammers, and then spent some
time trying to justify it. Looks like the final straw was trying to
hide his wife's'undocumented' income, but got caught.
I see the same thing with many engineers who go out and get MBAs. They
get a little knowledge of financial matters, and think they now
understand things, and so can REALLY screw things up!
Charlie
Rich Grise on Google grou
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:03 pm
On Feb 18, 5:44 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
The guy who reportedly just flew a plane into the Texas IRS
building was an enginner.
His apparent "suicide note" outlines some issues with being a
contract engineer in the US:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash.profile/?hpt=T1
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/18/stack.letter.pdf
building was an enginner.
His apparent "suicide note" outlines some issues with being a
contract engineer in the US:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash.profile/?hpt=T1
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/18/stack.letter.pdf
Heh! Sounds a lot like the kind of stuff I'd say, if I didn't have
common sense enough to not go off half-cocked on a personal crusade to
"Change The World", which crusade is obviously doomed to failure.
My plan to "change the world" is much more insidious. >:->
I must admit, I wouldn't mind being able to afford a Piper Cherokee,
however. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Charlie E.
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:08 pm
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:47:06 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:35:29 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
Paul_at_Hovnanian.com> wrote:
Sounds like this guy didn't have the brightest accountants/lawyers when
he set up his companies.
Perhaps.
He set up some kind of company with no employees, only hired
"contractors", thus no withholding, etc., issues 1099 for each
"contractor" each year.
Contractor takes all the benefits of self-employment.
Net: Lower total taxes collected by IRS.
IRS declares contractors to be employees, seizes all of Stack's assets
for taxes he should have withheld.
Happened to me, except I was the "contractor", and Atmel was the
hiring company.
IRS jumped all over Atmel, just as they have jumped over many a
company, to have me declared an "employee".
We had a simple sit-down:
Where is Thompson's office? Arizona. Does Atmel or Thompson own it?
Thompson.
Who owns the tools and software Thompson uses in the course of his
business? Thompson.
Does Atmel DIRECT Thompson and tell him what to do in the course of
his work? Hell NO!
End of discussion ;-)
Somewhere around here I have a copy of that very section of the Tax
Code, if anyone would like it posted.
...Jim Thompson
Paul_at_Hovnanian.com> wrote:
Sounds like this guy didn't have the brightest accountants/lawyers when
he set up his companies.
Perhaps.
He set up some kind of company with no employees, only hired
"contractors", thus no withholding, etc., issues 1099 for each
"contractor" each year.
Contractor takes all the benefits of self-employment.
Net: Lower total taxes collected by IRS.
IRS declares contractors to be employees, seizes all of Stack's assets
for taxes he should have withheld.
Happened to me, except I was the "contractor", and Atmel was the
hiring company.
IRS jumped all over Atmel, just as they have jumped over many a
company, to have me declared an "employee".
We had a simple sit-down:
Where is Thompson's office? Arizona. Does Atmel or Thompson own it?
Thompson.
Who owns the tools and software Thompson uses in the course of his
business? Thompson.
Does Atmel DIRECT Thompson and tell him what to do in the course of
his work? Hell NO!
End of discussion ;-)
Somewhere around here I have a copy of that very section of the Tax
Code, if anyone would like it posted.
...Jim Thompson
I know that, when we were forming our business a couple of years ago,
the IRS folks were REAL insistent that we understand the difference
between contractors and employees. I pretty much knew it, as back in
the '90s I worked for a job shop that did the contracting for LockMart
IMS on one of my toll road jobs. I was an employee of the job shop,
not LockMart, but they knew enough not to try to claim I was THEIR
contractor!
Charlie
Tim Watts
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:15 pm
Paul Hovnanian P.E. <Paul_at_Hovnanian.com>
wibbled on Friday 19 February 2010 20:49
Quote:
And then there are issues with their liability insurance. One of my
favorite 'gotchas' is telling them that I carry a handgun while working.
Most insurance companies will shit themselves if an employer permits an
employee to carry a weapon at work.
favorite 'gotchas' is telling them that I carry a handgun while working.
Most insurance companies will shit themselves if an employer permits an
employee to carry a weapon at work.
Quote:
So they back down pretty quickly.
Wouldn't it be easier for them to bar weapons from their site? Or is this
based on you working from home whilst working for them? If so, that could
apply to any employee?
--
Tim Watts
Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:38 am
Tim Watts wrote:
Quote:
Paul Hovnanian P.E. <Paul_at_Hovnanian.com
wibbled on Friday 19 February 2010 20:49
And then there are issues with their liability insurance. One of my
favorite 'gotchas' is telling them that I carry a handgun while working.
Most insurance companies will shit themselves if an employer permits an
employee to carry a weapon at work.
So they back down pretty quickly.
Wouldn't it be easier for them to bar weapons from their site? Or is this
based on you working from home whilst working for them? If so, that could
apply to any employee?
My workplace tends to be split between my home and various construction
sites.
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Greegor
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:16 am
WaPo (Capehart) tried blaming this on
the Right Wing and Tea Party.
Ignored the part calling for Nationalized Health Care.
Ignored the slams on GW Bush.
Ignored the anti- Catholic Church stuff.
Ignored slams on Capitalism.
Ignored:
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The communist creed: From each according
to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to
his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
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brent
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:59 pm
On Feb 20, 3:16 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
WaPo (Capehart) tried blaming this on
the Right Wing and Tea Party.
Ignored the part calling for Nationalized Health Care.
Ignored the slams on GW Bush.
Ignored the anti- Catholic Church stuff.
Ignored slams on Capitalism.
Ignored:
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The communist creed: From each according
to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to
his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
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the Right Wing and Tea Party.
Ignored the part calling for Nationalized Health Care.
Ignored the slams on GW Bush.
Ignored the anti- Catholic Church stuff.
Ignored slams on Capitalism.
Ignored:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The communist creed: From each according
to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to
his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Would you expect fair and balanced from the Washington Post?
Greegor
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:37 pm
G > WaPo (Capehart) tried blaming this on
G > the Right Wing and Tea Party.
G >
G > Ignored the part calling for Nationalized Health Care.
G >
G > Ignored the slams on GW Bush.
G >
G > Ignored the anti- Catholic Church stuff.
G >
G > Ignored slams on Capitalism.
G >
G > Ignored:
G > -----------------------------------------------------------------
G > The communist creed: From each according
G > to his ability, to each according to his need.
G > The capitalist creed: From each according to
G > his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
G > -----------------------------------------------------------------
brent > Would you expect fair and
brent > balanced from the Washington Post?
Or CNN, or MSN, or various blogs, etc.. No!
The FBI is denying that they asked to have
his site taken down.
What kind of embedded processors did he
write firmware for?
Most of the photos of him with the
cowboy hat are from the album cover of
Billy Eli Band - Amped Out.
When I went to find a good res copy of that
album cover a lot of the Google hits lead to
sites that try loading the Fake Antivirus Trojan
version DX.
I bet Jim's right in suggesting that the IRS
was probably about to seize his house and
all assets. Will the IRS ever admit to that?
Michael A. Terrell
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:58 pm
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
Quote:
MooseFET wrote:
[snip]
The "war on terror" is one that has no start and no end. It really is
an effort to reduce its success rate low enough that people don't see
it as working. In the last few decades there has been a major loss in
the battle because of things like the closing of the Prince Sultan Air
Base and us all being subject to pat downs at airports. It is obvious
to those who would use terror that it gets results.
The "War on <insert activity here>" is legalese used to circumvent
certain constitutional safeguards. If you can declare a war on something
rather then treating it as a law enforcement problem (where habeus
corpus and the right to a speedy trial are protected). It allows some
things to be done by presidential decree rather than having Congress or
the courts handle it through normal channels.
Personnaly, Im waiting for a War on Driving Too Slow in the Left Lane.
I think the 'War on Stupidity' would take care of that along with
driving while texting, and not using turn signals. :)
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Jim Thompson
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:18 pm
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:37:10 -0800 (PST), Greegor
<greegor47_at_gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Quote:
I bet Jim's right in suggesting that the IRS
was probably about to seize his house and
all assets. Will the IRS ever admit to that?
IRS would file a lien, which should be on the county records.
When they grab all your bank accounts, that's when it gets
intolerable.
If you owe $1K and your bank accounts total $60K, they'll seize it
all, just "to get your attention".
I speak from experience
...Jim Thompson
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:37 pm
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:37:10 -0800 (PST), Greegor
<greegor47_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
G > WaPo (Capehart) tried blaming this on
G > the Right Wing and Tea Party.
G
G > Ignored the part calling for Nationalized Health Care.
G
G > Ignored the slams on GW Bush.
G
G > Ignored the anti- Catholic Church stuff.
G
G > Ignored slams on Capitalism.
G
G > Ignored:
G > -----------------------------------------------------------------
G > The communist creed: From each according
G > to his ability, to each according to his need.
G > The capitalist creed: From each according to
G > his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
G > -----------------------------------------------------------------
brent > Would you expect fair and
brent > balanced from the Washington Post?
Or CNN, or MSN, or various blogs, etc.. No!
G > the Right Wing and Tea Party.
G
G > Ignored the part calling for Nationalized Health Care.
G
G > Ignored the slams on GW Bush.
G
G > Ignored the anti- Catholic Church stuff.
G
G > Ignored slams on Capitalism.
G
G > Ignored:
G > -----------------------------------------------------------------
G > The communist creed: From each according
G > to his ability, to each according to his need.
G > The capitalist creed: From each according to
G > his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
G > -----------------------------------------------------------------
brent > Would you expect fair and
brent > balanced from the Washington Post?
Or CNN, or MSN, or various blogs, etc.. No!
Or CBS, NBC, ABC,...
Quote:
The FBI is denying that they asked to have
his site taken down.
his site taken down.
What about the IRS? There is more than one fed agency that would be
interested.
Quote:
What kind of embedded processors did he
write firmware for?
Most of the photos of him with the
cowboy hat are from the album cover of
Billy Eli Band - Amped Out.
When I went to find a good res copy of that
album cover a lot of the Google hits lead to
sites that try loading the Fake Antivirus Trojan
version DX.
I bet Jim's right in suggesting that the IRS
was probably about to seize his house and
all assets. Will the IRS ever admit to that?
write firmware for?
Most of the photos of him with the
cowboy hat are from the album cover of
Billy Eli Band - Amped Out.
When I went to find a good res copy of that
album cover a lot of the Google hits lead to
sites that try loading the Fake Antivirus Trojan
version DX.
I bet Jim's right in suggesting that the IRS
was probably about to seize his house and
all assets. Will the IRS ever admit to that?
I thought that (the impending seizure) was already in the news. Would
they legally be able to discuss it?
Jim Yanik
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:00 pm
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:2i20o5t3f2r6t77rn7burfnu3qno7bc34l_at_4ax.com:
Quote:
When they grab all your bank accounts, that's when it gets
intolerable.
If you owe $1K and your bank accounts total $60K, they'll seize it
all, just "to get your attention".
I speak from experience :-(
...Jim Thompson
intolerable.
If you owe $1K and your bank accounts total $60K, they'll seize it
all, just "to get your attention".
I speak from experience :-(
...Jim Thompson
One question;
If you have $60K in your bank account,why didn't you pay the $1K 'debt'?
and then just appeal or sue?
IANAL
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jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Jim Thompson
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:14 pm
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:00:56 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik_at_abuse.gov>
wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:2i20o5t3f2r6t77rn7burfnu3qno7bc34l_at_4ax.com:
When they grab all your bank accounts, that's when it gets
intolerable.
If you owe $1K and your bank accounts total $60K, they'll seize it
all, just "to get your attention".
I speak from experience :-(
...Jim Thompson
One question;
If you have $60K in your bank account,why didn't you pay the $1K 'debt'?
and then just appeal or sue?
IANAL
news:2i20o5t3f2r6t77rn7burfnu3qno7bc34l_at_4ax.com:
When they grab all your bank accounts, that's when it gets
intolerable.
If you owe $1K and your bank accounts total $60K, they'll seize it
all, just "to get your attention".
I speak from experience :-(
...Jim Thompson
One question;
If you have $60K in your bank account,why didn't you pay the $1K 'debt'?
and then just appeal or sue?
IANAL
My income back then arrived in wide-spaced large payments. I had
mailed the payment but was hit before it posted at the IRS. It took
them several weeks to release my accounts :-(
Sue the IRS? Shirley you jest ?
...Jim Thompson
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