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Bill Sloman
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Mon May 04, 2020 8:45 am   



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:44:55 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:ee3514a1-70c4-43d6-8cf4-8bdbb51d6ecf_at_googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:17:14 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:50c2e5b3-dfbe-4166-a4af-60aaa9f4d757_at_googlegroups.com:


<snip>

Quote:
Google 'windows 7 direct hack vulnerability'
And an entire page pops full of hits and MS warned on Jan of 2020.


Microsoft-inspired scare stories designed to get people to move to Windows 10.

As happens rather too frequently with you, you don't seem to know enough about what you are talking about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bill Sloman
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Mon May 04, 2020 9:45 am   



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:32:47 PM UTC+10, Jasen Betts wrote:
Quote:
On 2020-05-03, mpm <mpmillard_at_aol.com> wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 3:40:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
I don't know if it's related, but I've had problems with my NAS server when the ISP provider changes out the modem.

Did the problem start with the "fiber to the building" transition, or do you think they're unrelated?

Otherwise, all I can offer is that we have an HP All-in-one printer that (for whatever reason) likes to change its fixed IP address from time to time. It often requires wireless-only end users to remove and reinstall the printer from the network. Very frustrating.

On the LAN side, we can lock that printer down by MAC address, and so it doesn't suffer the same problems from those who have a wired-LAN connection to our network.

turn off the printers wifi and only use the cabled connection then it
will have a static address, not that that will help much: the windows
HP drivers are failrly borked if you hsve two printers on diffferent
LANs


It's not the printer that is a problem. I just switched to a USB link.

The real problem is that I used to use an Ethernet over mains wiring local area connection to our router-modem where WiFi link was a bit too weak to give good data rates. It worked for years, but stopped working a few monhts ago at roughly the same time that my - very local - Ethernet link from just my computer to my - unshared - printer stopped working.

The transition to fibre-to-the-basement was entirely painless (apart for the fact that phone company decide that they wanted to change our phone number at the same time - as a consequence of choosing to split themselves up at the time, which didn't last).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney


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Mon May 04, 2020 1:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:59133f6c-6417-494e-8120-7df13178a5a1_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:44:55 PM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:ee3514a1-70c4-43d6-8cf4-8bdbb51d6ecf_at_googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:17:14 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:50c2e5b3-dfbe-4166-a4af-60aaa9f4d757_at_googlegroups.com:

snip

Google 'windows 7 direct hack vulnerability'
And an entire page pops full of hits and MS warned on Jan of
2020.

Microsoft-inspired scare stories designed to get people to move to
Windows 10.

As happens rather too frequently with you, you don't seem to know
enough about what you are talking about.


You really are Trump level stupid, boy.


Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 1:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:172c353d-b447-4ea6-9108-6079be4b087d_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:34:40 PM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:8307962e-e13d-4e8b-9835-6923cfd071b8_at_googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:07:00 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:b18fd15e-8efc-4fe4-97b8-24f46afaa78d_at_googlegroups.com:

That isn't what my wife's employers did. Her computer got
Microsoft up-dates just as mine did.

Companies rarely set up their machines to be
"auto-updated".

Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.

This must be an exception.

No. A company WITH an IT department would NOT have a
Windows 7 box
on its network. So THAT is the exception, twerp.

My wife's computer did get up-dated to Windows 10 some time ago
(as I seem to recall mentioning). In fact it got replaced by a
newer model at the same time. The twerp here is you.

OK so now you are saying it IS two different OSes.

AGAIN, more PROOF that it is NOT an MS issue.

Not exactly. If Microsoft decided to "refine" their management of
Ethernet links, they'd probably use the same algorithm for all
their operating systems.


UR1S2pid motherfucker.

PC user class 1 thru 10, you might rate a 3.

Bill Sloman
Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 2:45 pm   



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:03:53 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:59133f6c-6417-494e-8120-7df13178a5a1_at_googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:44:55 PM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:ee3514a1-70c4-43d6-8cf4-8bdbb51d6ecf_at_googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:17:14 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:50c2e5b3-dfbe-4166-a4af-60aaa9f4d757_at_googlegroups.com:

snip

Google 'windows 7 direct hack vulnerability'
And an entire page pops full of hits and MS warned on Jan of
2020.

Microsoft-inspired scare stories designed to get people to move to
Windows 10.

As happens rather too frequently with you, you don't seem to know
enough about what you are talking about.

You really are Trump level stupid, boy.


And you are AlwaysWrong - which isn't remotely true either.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Jasen Betts
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Tue May 05, 2020 10:45 am   



On 2020-05-04, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote:
Quote:
On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:32:47 PM UTC+10, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-05-03, mpm <mpmillard_at_aol.com> wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 3:40:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
I don't know if it's related, but I've had problems with my NAS server when the ISP provider changes out the modem.

Did the problem start with the "fiber to the building" transition, or do you think they're unrelated?

Otherwise, all I can offer is that we have an HP All-in-one printer that (for whatever reason) likes to change its fixed IP address from time to time. It often requires wireless-only end users to remove and reinstall the printer from the network. Very frustrating.

On the LAN side, we can lock that printer down by MAC address, and so it doesn't suffer the same problems from those who have a wired-LAN connection to our network.

turn off the printers wifi and only use the cabled connection then it
will have a static address, not that that will help much: the windows
HP drivers are failrly borked if you hsve two printers on diffferent
LANs

It's not the printer that is a problem. I just switched to a USB link.


I was answering a slightly different issue.

Quote:
The real problem is that I used to use an Ethernet over mains wiring
local area connection to our router-modem where WiFi link was a bit
too weak to give good data rates.


yuck.... but if you can reach the internet over that link I guess it's
working.

Quote:
It worked for years, but stopped
working a few monhts ago at roughly the same time that my - very local
- Ethernet link from just my computer to my - unshared - printer
stopped working.


possibly the same time or definately not the same time?

Could it be that your router has been confugured to isolate its
LAN ethernet sockets, so that device(s) connected to one cannot reach
devices conneted to another?

Substituting in a switch and using only a single router socket would
be one way to check for this. crawling through the router setup menus
would be another.

Quote:
The transition to fibre-to-the-basement was entirely painless (apart
for the fact that phone company decide that they wanted to change our
phone number at the same time - as a consequence of choosing to split
themselves up at the time, which didn't last).


--
Jasen.

Martin Brown
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Tue May 05, 2020 1:45 pm   



On 03/05/2020 04:36, Bill Sloman wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:30:01 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:d1598c4d-069a-4220-aa5c-0320942a17a7_at_googlegroups.com:

I used to connect my printer to my computer over an Ethernet link,
but some months ago that stopped working. I replaced the Ethernet
cable with a USB cable plugged into the printer's USB port and
didn't think much about it.

But my wife's computer used to be linked up to our broad-band link
(now fibre to the building) by an ethernet link over the mains
wiring, and that stopped working a the much the same time. My
lap-top (which I don't use very often) exploited the same link,
and that stopped working too.

A google search threw up enough responses to make it clear that
other people have had much the same problem. Microsoft has
proposed some solutions that ought to work, but I've tried all of
them and none of them do.

Has anybody run into the problem, and found a solution that works?

Our resident conspiracy theory nuts will invent a theory about
Microsoft conspiring with the US spooks to force people onto WiFi
links which are easier to snoop than Ethernet connections, but I'm
happy to assume that Microsoft has just done something stupid.


In my first response, I only read a bit in and was responding to
you regarding the first device you mentioned.

Had I read further, I would have told you it was your router, which
I assure you it is.

You then went on to spout some shit about Microsoft, but it has
nothing to do with MS either.

MS has nothing to do with a network attached and accessed printer,
when it is also coupled with other 'clients' on the network having
access problems then it is not a Windows or MS problem.

The local area links worked fine for years. Nothing has changed in the systems involved except the regular Windows up-dates.


Does ipconfig/all show that the PC network adapter has a sensible IP
address? Can you ping other things on the network and share files?

Try accessing the printers status user interface from a web browser.

I would be willing to bet that it isn't at the same IP address as it was
when you originally installed it. Mine does that sometimes when there is
a power outage (or rather did before I locked down its MAC to always get
the same IP). Check the router table to see where the printer is.

Manually changing the printer IP address in the driver to match the
presently allocated value will probably sort the problem.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

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