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Bill Sloman
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Sun May 03, 2020 5:45 am   



On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:36:39 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:7f362070-b94a-41f6-b8e6-6d4044c0285d_at_googlegroups.com:

The fact that my Ethernet link to my printer stopped working at
much the same time struck me as indicating a Microsoft generated
problem.

Seriously flawed logic. Both of your machines are not both updated
to the same version of Windows.


Both machines are running Windows 7, and they were both getting the Thursday up-dates, as Microsoft down loaded the week's worth of bug fixes.

Quote:
And I am talking about update level.
not sales versioning.


Of course.

> It isn't MS.

Why? Nothing else has changed.

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Your broadband provider reset your modem's router or it latched up
and YOU need to reset it. Either way, a power cycle should do it.


We were doing that pretty regularly, and bitched about it to the provider, and got a replacement modem for free, which does seem to need power cycling a lot less often.

> You provide no logic path to claim that it is MS based problem.

Something that worked for years, and stopped working for no apparent reason, when nothing but the operating system had changed (and regular updates are all changes to the operating system).

That logic seems pretty clear to me, even if you can't follow it.

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If you knew how to access your BB modem's router FROM your PC, as in
it's management page, then you would be able to see all clients
attached to it and by which manner. IF you get that access, and your
device is the only one there then the modem's router needs resetting
or reconfiguration or is broken.

But it is not the OS of two different machines and a printer
failing all at the same time.


Three different machines - my wife's computer now runs Windows 10. The printer doesn't have an operating system in the same sense that the computers do.

And the machines didn't fail - all that stopped working were the two local area links, and the one to the printer was very local indeed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Michael Terrell
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Sun May 03, 2020 7:45 am   



On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:39:05 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote
Quote:

Three different machines - my wife's computer now runs Windows 10. The printer doesn't have an operating system in the same sense that the computers do.

And the machines didn't fail - all that stopped working were the two local area links, and the one to the printer was very local indeed.


Your inability to use logic keeps you from seeing real problems.


Routers die. I'm on my fourth one, in 16 years. Stop whining like a three year old and buy a new one, or borrow one that is known to work.

If your wife won't spring for a new router, plug your computer directly into your modem. Yo will have to reboot the computer, to see if you can connect via an Ethernet cable. Modems typically set their LAN address to http://192.168.1.1 or another address in that block. The modem may use a different address. I gave you a link to software to test your LAN. I am through wasting my time trying to help you.


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Sun May 03, 2020 1:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:4994e648-1973-4354-961e-4b42000f3001_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
She was complaining about the way here computer was slow to start
on Thursday mornings, just as I was.


Just Thursdays? And you conclude that is a Microsoft problem?
Bent logic.

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The IT guys aren't going
micromanage to that extent.


It is not about micro-management. If it is a company owned machine
THEY control the OS on it AND the update level of the OS as companies
like to prove efficacy on an update before releasing it company
campus wide.

Companies rarely set up their machines to be "auto-updated".
Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.

So, if they 'manage' the Network port, they manage the entire
machine.

You spout some stupid shit sometimes.

But again your issue has nothing to do with Microsoft.


Guest

Sun May 03, 2020 1:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:43688ab3-c471-4f21-9784-531eb38f6ba8_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
Both machines are running Windows 7, and they were both getting
the Thursday up-dates, as Microsoft down loaded the week's worth
of bug fixes.


More flawed logic. There is no "Thurdays updates", and certainy NONE
for Windows 7 for well over a year now.

So your "her machine is slow on Thurdays, so it must be a Microsoft
thing" has to be the most stupid shit I have heard yet.


Guest

Sun May 03, 2020 1:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:38523991-f4a2-497d-b614-79a1bf5f0edf_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:7f362070-b94a-41f6-b8e6-6d4044c0285d_at_googlegroups.com:

Because we are stuck with using the WiFi link to access the
internet, and we can see up to a dozen other WiFi links from
adjacent flats (at the right time of day) and they all
interfere with our WiFi link.


Ummm... No, they do not. That is the point. They have their
channels and you have yours. IF your wifi device is not
configured to access your bb modem's wifi router correctly, you
will have problems, because being the closest one to you, it
should be the one you have the easiest time finding on a power
sorted list, which they all are. Like right at the top of the
list.

Of course it is. But all the WiFi links are transmitting power on
much the same frequencies,


You STILL obviously do not know how it works.

Quote:
and this acts as background noise on
our particular link.


Making stupid shit up too, I see.

Quote:
The signal to noise ratio gets degraded, and
the error rate goes up.


Bullshit. Once your link is established, and it being at the top
of the signal strength list, will NEVER have packet losses due to s-n
issues. You are grasping at old straws about a realm you never fully
understood.

Quote:
IOW, you lie.

Actually you don't understand enough about how WiFi works to
appreciate what I was saying. That doesn't make me a liar.


Actually YOU do not understand wifi AT all, and the 'things you
were saying' were bullshit as I stated once already.

Quote:
And ALL BB Modems use wifi levels that are secure so don't even
go
there either. And most have 5GHz channels too.

What's secure about radiating a signal in all directions.?


You really are stupid. Wifi IS radio, idiot. That does not mean
it is not secure as over a million allied forces speak to each other
every day, and Putin not only does not get to hear it, he never even
bother trying to decrypt it either. Old data is usless. Just like
old chemical engineers thinking they are electronics gurus.

Quote:
U B FOOL Of SHITE OLD MAN.

The shit being spread here is all yours.


No. IF I had a 100 square foot concrete slab to drop onto you, I
would. ShitSplat! But spreading you is not on the list of things
anyone would want to do. Popping you into a lye pit is far more
desireable.

But you are still in lump form and are still here spewing shit into
the group.

Quote:
College folks have no problems with
phones, PCs game consoles, IOT devices... All have no problems
hooking up multiple devices where there are literally hundreds
"in adjacent flats".

That isn't the problem. The problem is the performance of each
link in a dirty RF environment.


Except it isn't 'dirty'. You could, in fact, if you knew the
access, get good links on the weaker 'links' in the list. You would
rather use Trump logic and come up with bullshit reasons why your
cheap shit fails. Here's one for ya... Windows 7.

Yeah... They are NO LONGER doing ANY updates, even virus updates,
on Windows 7. That was announced. You missed it.

And no company with ANY brains would have an employee machine
running Windows 7 on an internet accessible network either.

Quote:
A dozen ain't shit. And NO they do NOT
'interfere'. You have been out of electronics way too long.

It looks more as if you never got far enough into it.


It is obvious that not only did you not get in it to any depth, you
have no clue what *it* even is.

Hundreds of college dorm students have no problem even hitting the
same routers! Hundreds of properly formed and broadcast signals all
flowing to and from their designated destinations without a hitch.

Again you prove that you are lying or are 100% vacuous about its
operation.

You using Windows 7 on an internet connected computer is one proof
you are clueless as they have been deemed as high vulnerability to
attack for a couple years now.

Bill Sloman
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Sun May 03, 2020 3:45 pm   



On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:34:50 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:38523991-f4a2-497d-b614-79a1bf5f0edf_at_googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:7f362070-b94a-41f6-b8e6-6d4044c0285d_at_googlegroups.com:

Because we are stuck with using the WiFi link to access the
internet, and we can see up to a dozen other WiFi links from
adjacent flats (at the right time of day) and they all
interfere with our WiFi link.


Ummm... No, they do not. That is the point. They have their
channels and you have yours. IF your wifi device is not
configured to access your bb modem's wifi router correctly, you
will have problems, because being the closest one to you, it
should be the one you have the easiest time finding on a power
sorted list, which they all are. Like right at the top of the
list.

Of course it is. But all the WiFi links are transmitting power on
much the same frequencies,

You STILL obviously do not know how it works.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi

Quote:
and this acts as background noise on
our particular link.

Making stupid shit up too, I see.


Read the bit in the Wikipedia article about "interference".

Quote:
The signal to noise ratio gets degraded, and
the error rate goes up.

Bullshit.


If you knew even a tiny bit more, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself by making that claim.

Quote:
Once your link is established, and it being at the top
of the signal strength list, will NEVER have packet losses due to s-n
issues. You are grasping at old straws about a realm you never fully
understood.

IOW, you lie.

Actually you don't understand enough about how WiFi works to
appreciate what I was saying. That doesn't make me a liar.

Actually YOU do not understand wifi AT all, and the 'things you
were saying' were bullshit as I stated once already.


The problem is your ignornace, not mine.

Quote:
And ALL BB Modems use wifi levels that are secure so don't even
go there either. And most have 5GHz channels too.


<snip>

Quote:

College folks have no problems with
phones, PCs game consoles, IOT devices... All have no problems
hooking up multiple devices where there are literally hundreds
"in adjacent flats".

That isn't the problem. The problem is the performance of each
link in a dirty RF environment.

Except it isn't 'dirty'. You could, in fact, if you knew the
access, get good links on the weaker 'links' in the list. You would
rather use Trump logic and come up with bullshit reasons why your
cheap shit fails. Here's one for ya... Windows 7.

Yeah... They are NO LONGER doing ANY updates, even virus updates,
on Windows 7. That was announced. You missed it.


I know it - they kept on telling me to upgrade to Windows 10 for ages.

I've chosen not to.

Quote:
You using Windows 7 on an internet connected computer is one proof
you are clueless as they have been deemed as high vulnerability to
attack for a couple years now.


The machine (and the laptop) has Norton 360 running for protection against virus attacks - I've been putting their protection software on my machines for about twenty years now, and it does seem to work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bill Sloman
Guest

Sun May 03, 2020 3:45 pm   



On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:20:12 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:4994e648-1973-4354-961e-4b42000f3001_at_googlegroups.com:

She was complaining about the way her computer was slow to start
on Thursday mornings, just as mine was.

Just Thursdays? And you conclude that is a Microsoft problem?
Bent logic.


The whole sequence was that you'd start your computer, and rather than staring up it would go into a "downloading Windows up-dates" routine, then turn itself off and restart.

Quote:
The IT guys aren't going
micromanage to that extent.

It is not about micro-management. If it is a company owned machine
THEY control the OS on it AND the update level of the OS as companies
like to prove efficacy on an update before releasing it company
campus wide.


That isn't what my wife's employers did. Her computer got Microsoft up-dates just as mine did.

Quote:
Companies rarely set up their machines to be "auto-updated".
Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.


This must be an exception.

Quote:
So, if they 'manage' the Network port, they manage the entire
machine.


They do, but only when my wife asks them to.

> You spout some stupid shit sometimes.

I spout stuff that you think you understand, but don't.

> But again your issue has nothing to do with Microsoft.

That's your theory. Nothing you've said inclines me to take your opinion seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney


Guest

Sun May 03, 2020 4:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:50c2e5b3-dfbe-4166-a4af-60aaa9f4d757_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
The machine (and the laptop) has Norton 360 running for protection
against virus attacks - I've been putting their protection
software on my machines for about twenty years now, and it does
seem to work.


But you obviously have NOT been keeping up on Windows 7
vulnerabilities. Or you would not have spouted that stupid shit.
Ask Norton if they recommend a person even running a Windows 7 machine
on an Internet conneted network. they will tell you not to use it for
any transactions.

If your system is able to be compromised, a virus scan AFTER the fact
is not going to do a lot for you. All of your info was already hacked
and they did not even have to write ANY file for you precious scanner
to find. Ooops!


Guest

Sun May 03, 2020 4:45 pm   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:b18fd15e-8efc-4fe4-97b8-24f46afaa78d_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
That isn't what my wife's employers did. Her computer got
Microsoft up-dates just as mine did.

Companies rarely set up their machines to be "auto-updated".
Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.

This must be an exception.


No. A company WITH an IT department would NOT have a Windows 7 box
on its network. So THAT is the exception, twerp.

Bill Sloman
Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 4:45 am   



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:17:14 AM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:50c2e5b3-dfbe-4166-a4af-60aaa9f4d757_at_googlegroups.com:

The machine (and the laptop) has Norton 360 running for protection
against virus attacks - I've been putting their protection
software on my machines for about twenty years now, and it does
seem to work.

But you obviously have NOT been keeping up on Windows 7
vulnerabilities. Or you would not have spouted that stupid shit.
Ask Norton if they recommend a person even running a Windows 7 machine
on an Internet conneted network. they will tell you not to use it for
any transactions.


Not a warning I've had from Norton. I do pay attention to those warning that I do get.

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If your system is able to be compromised, a virus scan AFTER the fact
is not going to do a lot for you. All of your info was already hacked
and they did not even have to write ANY file for you precious scanner
to find. Ooops!


Norton scans incoming messages for viruses before they get anywhere where they might get run. You clearly don't know how their protection system works.

If I were silly enough to click on a suspect web-site after I'd been warned that it was suspect, I could get into trouble, but I haven't done that yet, and I've been linked to the internet for some twenty years now.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bill Sloman
Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 4:45 am   



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:07:00 AM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:b18fd15e-8efc-4fe4-97b8-24f46afaa78d_at_googlegroups.com:

That isn't what my wife's employers did. Her computer got
Microsoft up-dates just as mine did.

Companies rarely set up their machines to be "auto-updated".
Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.

This must be an exception.

No. A company WITH an IT department would NOT have a Windows 7 box
on its network. So THAT is the exception, twerp.


My wife's computer did get up-dated to Windows 10 some time ago (as I seem to recall mentioning). In fact it got replaced by a newer model at the same time. The twerp here is you.

--
Bill Sloman., sydney


Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 5:45 am   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:ee3514a1-70c4-43d6-8cf4-8bdbb51d6ecf_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:17:14 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:50c2e5b3-dfbe-4166-a4af-60aaa9f4d757_at_googlegroups.com:

The machine (and the laptop) has Norton 360 running for
protection against virus attacks - I've been putting their
protection software on my machines for about twenty years now,
and it does seem to work.

But you obviously have NOT been keeping up on Windows 7
vulnerabilities. Or you would not have spouted that stupid shit.
Ask Norton if they recommend a person even running a Windows 7
machine on an Internet conneted network. they will tell you not
to use it for any transactions.

Not a warning I've had from Norton. I do pay attention to those
warning that I do get.


Your machine is likely old enough to have messed up Intel microcode
in it, and that coupled with W7 IS a vulnerability they would NOT be
'warning you' about.
Quote:

If your system is able to be compromised, a virus scan AFTER
the fact
is not going to do a lot for you. All of your info was already
hacked and they did not even have to write ANY file for you
precious scanner to find. Ooops!

Norton scans incoming messages for viruses before they get
anywhere where they might get run.


The W7 vulnerablility is not viral. It is direct IP hack IN.
Suddenly WHAM, you box locks for ransom.

Quote:
You clearly don't know how
their protection system works.


Again, I told you it is not a viral vulnerability. More a base
kernel level hole that cannot be fixed on *that* old OS.

Quote:
If I were silly enough to click on a suspect web-site after I'd
been warned that it was suspect, I could get into trouble, but I
haven't done that yet, and I've been linked to the internet for
some twenty years now.


Again, your IP can get snooped externally and a W7 machine can be
hacked directly. No user clicky clicky required.

Easy peasy SloManFoo Google 'windows 7 direct hack vulnerability'
And an entire page pops full of hits and MS warned on Jan of 2020.


Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 5:45 am   



Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:8307962e-e13d-4e8b-9835-6923cfd071b8_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:07:00 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:b18fd15e-8efc-4fe4-97b8-24f46afaa78d_at_googlegroups.com:

That isn't what my wife's employers did. Her computer got
Microsoft up-dates just as mine did.

Companies rarely set up their machines to be "auto-updated".

Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.

This must be an exception.

No. A company WITH an IT department would NOT have a Windows 7
box
on its network. So THAT is the exception, twerp.

My wife's computer did get up-dated to Windows 10 some time ago
(as I seem to recall mentioning). In fact it got replaced by a
newer model at the same time. The twerp here is you.


OK so now you are saying it IS two different OSes.

AGAIN, more PROOF that it is NOT an MS issue.

Jasen Betts
Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 7:45 am   



On 2020-05-03, mpm <mpmillard_at_aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 3:40:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
I don't know if it's related, but I've had problems with my NAS server when the ISP provider changes out the modem.

Did the problem start with the "fiber to the building" transition, or do you think they're unrelated?

Otherwise, all I can offer is that we have an HP All-in-one printer that (for whatever reason) likes to change its fixed IP address from time to time. It often requires wireless-only end users to remove and reinstall the printer from the network. Very frustrating.

On the LAN side, we can lock that printer down by MAC address, and so it doesn't suffer the same problems from those who have a wired-LAN connection to our network.


turn off the printers wifi and only use the cabled connection then it
will have a static address, not that that will help much: the windows
HP drivers are failrly borked if you hsve two printers on diffferent
LANs

--
Jasen.

Bill Sloman
Guest

Mon May 04, 2020 8:45 am   



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:34:40 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:8307962e-e13d-4e8b-9835-6923cfd071b8_at_googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 1:07:00 AM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote in
news:b18fd15e-8efc-4fe4-97b8-24f46afaa78d_at_googlegroups.com:

That isn't what my wife's employers did. Her computer got
Microsoft up-dates just as mine did.

Companies rarely set up their machines to be "auto-updated".

Never, in fact if they have 'an IT guy'.

This must be an exception.

No. A company WITH an IT department would NOT have a Windows 7
box
on its network. So THAT is the exception, twerp.

My wife's computer did get up-dated to Windows 10 some time ago
(as I seem to recall mentioning). In fact it got replaced by a
newer model at the same time. The twerp here is you.

OK so now you are saying it IS two different OSes.

AGAIN, more PROOF that it is NOT an MS issue.


Not exactly. If Microsoft decided to "refine" their management of Ethernet links, they'd probably use the same algorithm for all their operating systems.

--
Bil Sloman, Sydney

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