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Sylvia Else
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:47 pm
On 6/07/2011 9:50 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
Quote:
On 2011-07-06, Peter Jason<pj_at_jostle.com> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:04:05 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote:
Back to Bunnings for about 24 large 6" coach bolts with large washers,
and an auger drill, and one whole Saturday, to drill though the mess
and insert the large coach bolts and tighten them.
coach bolts are a lot of work, 150mm bugle head batten screws or
roof screws are easier it install (if you've got a big-ish drill)
because they're self drilling and they're usually stronger too.
As part of my decking task, I removed some galvanised bolts that were
installed just three years ago. Already they show some corrosion. I'm
starting to think that stainless steel is the only way to go if one
wants something to last (but it's damned expensive).
Sylvia.
TonyS
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:21 pm
On 6/07/2011 8:47 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
Quote:
On 6/07/2011 9:50 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-07-06, Peter Jason<pj_at_jostle.com> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:04:05 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote:
Back to Bunnings for about 24 large 6" coach bolts with large washers,
and an auger drill, and one whole Saturday, to drill though the mess
and insert the large coach bolts and tighten them.
coach bolts are a lot of work, 150mm bugle head batten screws or
roof screws are easier it install (if you've got a big-ish drill)
because they're self drilling and they're usually stronger too.
As part of my decking task, I removed some galvanised bolts that were
installed just three years ago. Already they show some corrosion. I'm
starting to think that stainless steel is the only way to go if one
wants something to last (but it's damned expensive).
Sylvia.
Have a look at
www.stainlessstore.com.au. Haven't tried them yet but
will soon.
Tony
Peter Jason
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:52 pm
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:47:41 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
On 6/07/2011 9:50 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-07-06, Peter Jason<pj_at_jostle.com> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:04:05 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote:
Back to Bunnings for about 24 large 6" coach bolts with large washers,
and an auger drill, and one whole Saturday, to drill though the mess
and insert the large coach bolts and tighten them.
coach bolts are a lot of work, 150mm bugle head batten screws or
roof screws are easier it install (if you've got a big-ish drill)
because they're self drilling and they're usually stronger too.
As part of my decking task, I removed some galvanised bolts that were
installed just three years ago. Already they show some corrosion. I'm
starting to think that stainless steel is the only way to go if one
wants something to last (but it's damned expensive).
Sylvia.
Wood will last decades if it can dry out completely soon after getting
wet. The design of your project may be faulty. Generally:
1/ Use a suitable wood, treated if possible.
2/ Use concrete foundations, then a steel bracket, and bolt the timber
to this.
3/ Ensure wood has angled cutoffs so any water can drain off
immediately.
4/ Use paint to seal across wood grain. (Staining the wood is not the
same thing.)
5/ If possible roof over the decking with poly carbonate sheeting;
expensive sure, but it is the final solution.
Check out the Google images thing for decking keywords, and drill down
to find a solution to your problems.
Brass/bronze fittings may be cheaper than stainless. Check yachting
suppliers.
Sylvia Else
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Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:21 am
On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
Quote:
On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.
When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg
The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.
Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?
Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?
They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase up
things like this.
Sylvia
Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.
It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.
It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.
Sylvia.
One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot.
The staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to
keep most of the rain out while I decided what to do.
The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.
From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a
single spore landing where it could take hold.
The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg
Metro
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Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:20 am
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97sr79F3ilU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Quote:
On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.
When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg
The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.
Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber
in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?
Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?
They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase
up
things like this.
Sylvia
Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.
It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.
It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.
Sylvia.
One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot. The
staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to keep
most of the rain out while I decided what to do.
The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.
From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a single
spore landing where it could take hold.
The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg
The decking looks like it needs some attention also. You should never
counterbore screw holes on decking. Water just fills them up causing various
hassles over time.
Metro....
Sylvia Else
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Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:27 am
On 11/07/2011 11:20 AM, Metro wrote:
Quote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97sr79F3ilU1_at_mid.individual.net...
On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia_at_not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.
When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg
The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.
Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber
in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?
Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?
They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase
up
things like this.
Sylvia
Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.
It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.
It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.
Sylvia.
One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot. The
staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to keep
most of the rain out while I decided what to do.
The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.
From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a single
spore landing where it could take hold.
The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg
The decking looks like it needs some attention also. You should never
counterbore screw holes on decking. Water just fills them up causing various
hassles over time.
The decking is loose, with the holes being drilled above the nail heads
to allow the nails to be removed without splitting the timber - it
worked, mostly. Ultimately I intend to use plugs over stainless steel
screws, this appearing to be the option that provides the least scope
for moisture accumulation.
Sylvia.
kreed
Guest
Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:48 am
On Jul 10, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.
When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg
The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.
Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?
Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?
They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase up
things like this.
Sylvia
Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.
It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.
It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.
Sylvia.
One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot.
The staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to
keep most of the rain out while I decided what to do.
The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.
From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a
single spore landing where it could take hold.
The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg
Same thing I had on my verandah when I replaced the boards about 8
years back. Out of 30 joists,
2 were rotted similar to this. The others were fine. This was built
originally about 1978.
One of the rotten ones had failed like yours, the other looked fine
for its age on the outside, but when you went to nail into it, the
nail just about fell in as the inside was gone.
no one
Guest
Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:24 am
why not use that cresote substitute to stop post s rotting ?
"kreed" <kenreed1999_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 10, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.
When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg
The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.
Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber
in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?
Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?
They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase
up
things like this.
Sylvia
Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.
It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.
It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.
Sylvia.
One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot.
The staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to
keep most of the rain out while I decided what to do.
The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.
From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a
single spore landing where it could take hold.
The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg
Same thing I had on my verandah when I replaced the boards about 8
years back. Out of 30 joists,
2 were rotted similar to this. The others were fine. This was built
originally about 1978.
One of the rotten ones had failed like yours, the other looked fine
for its age on the outside, but when you went to nail into it, the
nail just about fell in as the inside was gone.
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