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Baron
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Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:37 pm
Tim Watts Inscribed thus:
Quote:
pimpom <pimpom_at_invalid.invalid
wibbled on Tuesday 09 March 2010 18:24
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
We've had colder (Southern England) though not recently.
I would say, in a purely handwaving way, that this winter has been
more like those of my early childhood and the intervening ones have
been unusually warm - ie this is normal.
Anyway, it could all just be random weather cycles.
I'll second that. I remember snow piled up at the side of the road for
days. I'd probably be around 7 or 8 years old. I don't remember
getting off school either, unless the boiler froze. That happened twice
in the same winter.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
John Larkin
Guest
Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:50 pm
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:54:02 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
53F in San Francisco, 27 in Truckee. It's been a little cooler than
normal maybe, and a bit wetter. We left Truckee yesterday around noon
to come back to Da City, and it started snowing as we drove. They
instituted chain controls that evening and kept them on all night,
maybe a bit unusual for March.
"Chain controls" means they stop traffic and only let you through if
you have tire chains or 4WD+snow tires.
Looks OK now.
http://www.magnifeye.com/
John
Martin Riddle
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:29 am
"pimpom" <pimpom_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:hn63o3$ulj$1_at_news.albasani.net...
Quote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was evident
that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had one of the
coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the temperartures
you're currently experiencing now that we're approaching the middle of
March.
The local forecast calls for Dark and more dark tonight. With light
appearing in the morning and lasting all day.
Cheers
Jon Kirwan
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:33 am
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:43:27 -0800, Tim Wescott
<tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Quote:
Jon Kirwan wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:29:05 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
pimpom wrote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
It has been unusually cool and clear here on the northeast edge of the
Willamette Valley -- we're at 600 feet and we got a bit of snow last night.
And I'm very near where you grew up, I suppose, just off of
hwy 212 and living on Zion hill at 800' elevation. I also
just got a small spate of snow earlier last night and had a
small dusting of it this morning when I woke up (melted off,
quickly) and I expect some possible, later today.
However, the month of January was the third warmest January
on record.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Snow-in-mountains-but-Portlands-dry-and-warm-82713242.html
Indeed, although I grew up about 200 yards from downtown Damascus* and
you're considerably further out. I think you may even be out of the
school district for the grade school I attended (Damascus Union),
although kids in your area would be attending Sam Barlow High, same as me.
Yes, Sam Barlow is where kids attended. And yes, not
Damascus Union.
Quote:
* That's a joke, son -- in the 70's the highway department only deigned
to put up one "Damascus**" sign, directly across from my dad's shop. If
you stood in the right spot in front of his shop you could see between
the sign boards. We told people we were "deep in the heart of downtown
Damascus".
:)
Quote:
** Damascus, Oregon was fairly rural at that point, and was never an
incorporated town until 2002. In the 1970's Damascus was a moderate
bump in the road, with my dad's shop, a few other stores, a gas station,
later a modest shopping center, and not much else to slow down traffic
going from Portland to Mt. Hood. Had we been further from civilization
we would probably have been a real town, but given the proximity to
Portland and Oregon City we were mostly a collection of farmland,
forest, and inane housing developments. With too many farms to really
be suburban and too many housing developments for locals to necessarily
know one another I used to call it 'sub-rural'.
They are having such troubles, you know? There's an election
going on today, in fact. Quite a controversy there!!
Jon
Tim Wescott
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:59 am
Jon Kirwan wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:43:27 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Jon Kirwan wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:29:05 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
pimpom wrote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
It has been unusually cool and clear here on the northeast edge of the
Willamette Valley -- we're at 600 feet and we got a bit of snow last night.
And I'm very near where you grew up, I suppose, just off of
hwy 212 and living on Zion hill at 800' elevation. I also
just got a small spate of snow earlier last night and had a
small dusting of it this morning when I woke up (melted off,
quickly) and I expect some possible, later today.
However, the month of January was the third warmest January
on record.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Snow-in-mountains-but-Portlands-dry-and-warm-82713242.html
Indeed, although I grew up about 200 yards from downtown Damascus* and
you're considerably further out. I think you may even be out of the
school district for the grade school I attended (Damascus Union),
although kids in your area would be attending Sam Barlow High, same as me.
Yes, Sam Barlow is where kids attended. And yes, not
Damascus Union.
* That's a joke, son -- in the 70's the highway department only deigned
to put up one "Damascus**" sign, directly across from my dad's shop. If
you stood in the right spot in front of his shop you could see between
the sign boards. We told people we were "deep in the heart of downtown
Damascus".
:)
** Damascus, Oregon was fairly rural at that point, and was never an
incorporated town until 2002. In the 1970's Damascus was a moderate
bump in the road, with my dad's shop, a few other stores, a gas station,
later a modest shopping center, and not much else to slow down traffic
going from Portland to Mt. Hood. Had we been further from civilization
we would probably have been a real town, but given the proximity to
Portland and Oregon City we were mostly a collection of farmland,
forest, and inane housing developments. With too many farms to really
be suburban and too many housing developments for locals to necessarily
know one another I used to call it 'sub-rural'.
They are having such troubles, you know? There's an election
going on today, in fact. Quite a controversy there!!
I knew about the troubles -- dad was Dee Wescott, and my older brother
still lives in the city.
Didn't know about the election -- happily I suppose. Nothing pisses me
off more than the folks who think that the way to achieve small
government is to throw rocks in the gears, then stand back and jeer when
the machine grinds to a halt.
--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com
PeterD
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:11 am
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:54:02 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
They are beginning to approach seasonable warmths. Winter was harsh
and cold however.
John Fields
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:34 am
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:54:02 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
---
Austin Texas:
Last week it snowed and was cold (30-40F) for a day or so, today it was
sunny and about 74F.
JF
Jon Kirwan
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:44 am
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:59:27 -0800, Tim Wescott
<tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Quote:
Jon Kirwan wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:43:27 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
Jon Kirwan wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:29:05 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
pimpom wrote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
It has been unusually cool and clear here on the northeast edge of the
Willamette Valley -- we're at 600 feet and we got a bit of snow last night.
And I'm very near where you grew up, I suppose, just off of
hwy 212 and living on Zion hill at 800' elevation. I also
just got a small spate of snow earlier last night and had a
small dusting of it this morning when I woke up (melted off,
quickly) and I expect some possible, later today.
However, the month of January was the third warmest January
on record.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Snow-in-mountains-but-Portlands-dry-and-warm-82713242.html
Indeed, although I grew up about 200 yards from downtown Damascus* and
you're considerably further out. I think you may even be out of the
school district for the grade school I attended (Damascus Union),
although kids in your area would be attending Sam Barlow High, same as me.
Yes, Sam Barlow is where kids attended. And yes, not
Damascus Union.
* That's a joke, son -- in the 70's the highway department only deigned
to put up one "Damascus**" sign, directly across from my dad's shop. If
you stood in the right spot in front of his shop you could see between
the sign boards. We told people we were "deep in the heart of downtown
Damascus".
:)
** Damascus, Oregon was fairly rural at that point, and was never an
incorporated town until 2002. In the 1970's Damascus was a moderate
bump in the road, with my dad's shop, a few other stores, a gas station,
later a modest shopping center, and not much else to slow down traffic
going from Portland to Mt. Hood. Had we been further from civilization
we would probably have been a real town, but given the proximity to
Portland and Oregon City we were mostly a collection of farmland,
forest, and inane housing developments. With too many farms to really
be suburban and too many housing developments for locals to necessarily
know one another I used to call it 'sub-rural'.
They are having such troubles, you know? There's an election
going on today, in fact. Quite a controversy there!!
I knew about the troubles -- dad was Dee Wescott, and my older brother
still lives in the city.
Didn't know about the election -- happily I suppose. Nothing pisses me
off more than the folks who think that the way to achieve small
government is to throw rocks in the gears, then stand back and jeer when
the machine grinds to a halt.
Hmm. For not knowing about the election today, you seem to
have a good handle on what is at issue!!!
Jon
Jon Kirwan
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:49 am
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:51:21 +0000 (UTC), don_at_manx.misty.com
(Don Klipstein) wrote:
Quote:
snip
The UAH and RSS indices of lower troposphere temperature have had the 48
contiguous states of the USA on the cool side the past 3 months, and
exceptionally anomously cold in December and February.
snip
The north polar region ran very notably warm the past 3 months,
especially in December 2009 and February 2010. The north polar region
(land and ocean combined) had February 2010 being its most anomalously
warm month on record, starting with December 1978. December 2009 came in
4th most anomalously warm for the north polar region.
snip
When the north polar area gets 'notably warm' it is worth
considering that heat was exchanged and might lead to things
being on the "cool side" somewhere else.
Jon
Don Klipstein
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:51 am
In article <hn63o3$ulj$1_at_news.albasani.net>, pimpom wrote:
Quote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
Philadelphia PA USA has had December, January and February colder than
average, but not exceptionally cold. Maybe once per decade or two degree
of cold.
The chillyness was also unusually steady, with lack of temperatures
dipping into the single digits F. My experience is that a majority of
winters in Philadelphia have at least one night dipping below 10 degrees
F.
March 2010 so far in Philadelphia has had temperature slightly warmer
than normal and unusually steady. The historic greatly-record-breaking
snowfall has melted away except in snowbanks in parking lots and the like.
I have heard from friends in Canada that the stretch from Toronto to
Sudbury, Ontario has had the past few days very notably mild, with
temperatures achieving 50 F / 10 C, and that snowfall ran below normal in
that stretch. Toronto, Orangeville and Sudbury currently have ground at
least largely free of snow, although some areas between Orangeville and
Sudbury had snow cover a couple days ago.
The UAH and RSS indices of lower troposphere temperature have had the 48
contiguous states of the USA on the cool side the past 3 months, and
exceptionally anomously cold in December and February. UAH v. 5.3 lower
troposphere index for the 48 states this February was the 10th most
anomalously cold month since the beginning of this index in December 1978,
and most anomalously cold since December 2000. December 2009 according to
this index is tied for 12 place most anomalously cold month for the 48
states.
The north polar region ran very notably warm the past 3 months,
especially in December 2009 and February 2010. The north polar region
(land and ocean combined) had February 2010 being its most anomalously
warm month on record, starting with December 1978. December 2009 came in
4th most anomalously warm for the north polar region.
This index has February 2010 being the 5th most anomalously warm month
for the world, with 4th place being January 2010 and the top 3 months
being February, April and May 1998 (record greatest El Nino). December
2009, on the other hand, had global lower troposphere temperature hardly
at all more anomously warm than average of the past decade.
(If I correctly read
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt)
The recent extremes appear to me to have been caused in large part by an
El Nino, combined with Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation being high,
combined with weather patterns that are disproportionately common in
winter during a solar minimum, especially a "Hale minimum" (every other
one). Notably, the Arctic Oscillation and North Atlantic Oscillation
indices achieved notably extremely low values over the past 3 months. The
Arctic Oscillation index had December 2009 being its lowest month since
the start date of that index in 1950 IIRC.
I give fair chance that some random or not-yet-known factor also
contributed to the ways this past winter went wacko, due in part to
Philadelphia receiving 5 times as much snow as Toronto did in addition to
being Philadelphia's snowiest winter since 1884 by a substantial margin.
Don Klipstein (don_at_misty.com)
Don Klipstein
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:04 am
In <b05dp5lbijut58equ8rfg5b3pahd9dd8i8_at_4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:54:02 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
REALLY cold here in AZ... 56ºF! at 11:30AM Tuesday, March 9, 2010.
We've had light rain for the last three days, which means snow for
those east of us
They're calling for rain rather than snow in Philadelphia, NYC, Boston,
Toronto, Chicago, and even Minneapolis. They're calling for mostly snow
in Denver, but snow into April is common in Denver.
Did not this storm produce snow in Flagstaff? This time of year, even
in early April, it snows more than rains in Flagstaff. (weather.com says
Flagstaff is getting snow showers and will get more.)
- Don Klipstein (don_at_misty.com)
Richard Henry
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:38 am
On Mar 9, 10:24 am, "pimpom" <pim...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
An unusual year in San Diego - a lot of rain, but not enough all at
once to flood much, and no killer frosts all winter. The guava trees
usually die back a bit over the winter, but this year they haven't
lost a leaf.
Don Klipstein
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:52 am
In article <mdudp59k1qcs57d1piq47e0rs4iqrjfjq1_at_4ax.com>, Jon Kirwan wrote:
Quote:
On 10 Mar 2010 00:51:21 +0 UTC, don_at_manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
snip
The UAH and RSS indices of lower troposphere temperature have had the 48
contiguous states of the USA on the cool side the past 3 months, and
exceptionally anomously cold in December and February.
snip
(I would like to get back in February 2010 being 10th coldest month for
the 48 contiguous USA states on record for this temperature index since it
started with December 1978, and December 2009 tied for 12th most
anomalously cold according to v. 5.3 UAH TLT.)
Quote:
The north polar region ran very notably warm the past 3 months,
especially in December 2009 and February 2010. The north polar region
(land and ocean combined) had February 2010 being its most anomalously
warm month on record, starting with December 1978. December 2009 came in
4th most anomalously warm for the north polar region.
snip
When the north polar area gets 'notably warm' it is worth
considering that heat was exchanged and might lead to things
being on the "cool side" somewhere else.
It does appear to me that this occurred to a very notable extent, due
heavily to the Arctic Oscillation and North Atlantic Oscillation running
extremely low in those recent months.
- Don Klipstein (don_at_misty.com)
Royston Vasey
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:00 am
"Ban" <bansuri_at_web.de> wrote in message
news:hn675o$4m7$1_at_news.eternal-september.org...
Quote:
pimpom wrote:
Jon Kirwan wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:29:05 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim_at_seemywebsite.now> wrote:
pimpom wrote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just
had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about
the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
snip
It's warmed up quite a bit here. The thermometer on my porch read
about 76 F at 1 pm this afternoon and 67 F at 3 am.last night.
It's 12:30 am and 68 F now. Looks like it's going to be slightly
cooler than last night.
I live near Nice but on the Italian side. It has rained much more than
usual, which isn't considered a bad thing. Now the Mimosae are fiowering
and our tortoise has woken up from hibernation, so it's going to be
warmer. It's mainly the complainers that give you an erroneous impression.
Australia:
West coast, pretty sure we broke all records for the longest run of days
without any rain over summer. Average temps way up as well.
East cost, there are floods aplenty with "100 year floods" over quite a few
areas. This is pretty weird for late summer. Good for replenishing aquifers
though.
pimpom
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:11 am
John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:54:02 +0530, "pimpom"
pimpom_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:
This is not intended to spark off another GW debate. It was
evident that those of you in Europe and N.America have just
had
one of the coldest winters in recent years. I'm curious about
the
temperartures you're currently experiencing now that we're
approaching the middle of March.
53F in San Francisco, 27 in Truckee. It's been a little cooler
than
normal maybe, and a bit wetter. We left Truckee yesterday
around noon
to come back to Da City, and it started snowing as we drove.
They
instituted chain controls that evening and kept them on all
night,
maybe a bit unusual for March.
"Chain controls" means they stop traffic and only let you
through if
you have tire chains or 4WD+snow tires.
Looks OK now.
http://www.magnifeye.com/
John
Still like that in March? What was it like in January?
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