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rickman
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:31 pm   



I was not aware that you can be born in a US territory and not be eligible
to run for President because you are not a US citizen. Really? I thought
all territories were part of the US and being born there made you a citizen?

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

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Rick C

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rickman
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:31 pm   



rickman wrote on 10/1/2017 3:31 PM:
Quote:
I was not aware that you can be born in a US territory and not be eligible
to run for President because you are not a US citizen. Really? I thought
all territories were part of the US and being born there made you a citizen?

Anyone know what I'm talking about?


Opps, sorry, wrong group!

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Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998


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Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:06 pm   



On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 1:31:10 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
Quote:
I was not aware that you can be born in a US territory and not be eligible
to run for President because you are not a US citizen. Really? I thought
all territories were part of the US and being born there made you a citizen?

Anyone know what I'm talking about?


Actually I do know what you're talking about, the issue comes from the fact that there are different classes of citizens: those who are citizen by law (eg naturalization, treaty, etc) and those whose citizenship comes from their "inherent nature" (as it were), because it can come from no other place*.

The point of this restriction was immediately adopted in the Constitution when John Jay wrote a letter to the Constitutional Convention -- https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/04-05-02-0251 -- wherein he said: "Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen."

There's a lot of confusion about this (by design due to politics, namely Globalist interests): the Constitution's requirement that only a natural born citizen can be President is from a very Nationalistic philosophy/thought, so much so that it cannot be simply ignored and must have "the waters muddied" in order to reduce it to irrelevance.

An excellent illustration of this could be the last few elections. In 2008 it was McCain vs. Obama, both of whom had some issues (there is also possibly/arguably a geographical component to "natural born citizen", but this is secondary to the obvious ties to the parent's citizenship; the classic example is that I've heard military families being counseled that having their children born overseas would disqualify them from the Presidency). In 2012 it was Obama vs. Romney, and Romney's dad likely wasn't a even a citizen when he was born. (Some weirdness involving Mormanism, renouncing citizenship, and moving to Mexico on part of his [great?-]grandfather.) -- And, lastly, in 2016 we had Ted Cruz**.

All of these seem to me like the elite pushing ineligible and/or questionably eligible into power in order to set up legal Precedents to weaken the natural born citizen requirement.

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* There was a strong tie between Citizenship and Inheritance laws/tradition, and had been for centuries (or millennia, considering some of the Biblical stories), such that it was natural that a child should inherit citizenship from their father.

** Ted Cruz was especially obvious, and we can prove his ineligibility with a Proof by Contradiction -- We know that he was born outside the US (in Canada) to at most one US Citizen parent, he claims that he is qualified for the Presidency. -- So, taking the same set-up we imagine some natural born citizen soon after the adoption of the Constitution moving to England and marrying into the royal family and having a child. According to Cruz's claims, this child would be eligible to the presidency despite being in line for the English throne. The whole point of the restriction, according to Jay, was to keep the commander of the army from having foreign allegiances. Our example obviously has such, being loyal to himself who [is to be] the Crown..
QED.

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