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Martin Brown
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:11 pm
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Quote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Quote:
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
Regards,
Martin Brown
Michael A. Terrell
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:41 pm
Martin Brown wrote:
Quote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
?
? Martin Brown wrote:
??
?? The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
?? at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
?? (which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
?? downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
?? surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
?? cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
?
?
? There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
? 40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
There have been morons screaming about caps from the dialup days.
They won't listen that the servers they connect to can only handle a set
bandwidth, so they scream "Those assholes have capped my account!"
Quote:
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Show it to me. I use Earthlink via the Brighthouse/Road Runner
backbone. They had a 5 GB per month cap on their NNTP server farms, but
that went away when they farmed it out to Supernews, and later,
Giganews.
Quote:
? Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
? connection.
?
? You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
? hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).\
? connection.
?
? You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
? hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).\
All Cable TV provided was access to right of way. The fiber backbone
and support equipment had to be paid for. That is, unless you want to
limit an entire cable system to a couple hundred broadband users. Even
though the trunkline and distribution systems were designed for two way
use, the return amps were installed only where needed to minimize the
system noise. We had to send out crews to install return amp modules
for special applications before remote controlled return signal routing
became available.
Broadband around here were broken into nods of 512 homes passed, or
less. Since then, they have been scaled down.
Don't try to BS me about Cable TV. I worked in that business for
four years designing head ends and interconnects along with maintaining
the headend equipment.
--
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enough left over to pay them.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:53 am
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:19:25 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
On 30/08/2010 23:58, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:19:09 -0700, Robert Baer<robertbaer_at_localnet.com
wrote:
JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:45:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:03:53 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.
So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
One doesn't... one uses the cable connection
...Jim Thompson
It is possible, for some price, to get megibit/s mobile service
throughout most of the urbanized US and Europe. Is that high speed
enough for you?
If i could afford $100/mo then i cold use either DSL or cable for
internet.
Surely neither cost anywhere close to that?! I've never paid more than $40/mo
for an Internet connection (and it's gone down with each iteration).
Baer is a sucker and gets ripped off at every turn by corporate greed.
He doesn't realise that he is a disadvantaged digital "have not" stuck
in the stone age. Can't even configure a dialup modem correctly.
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:19:09 -0700, Robert Baer<robertbaer_at_localnet.com
wrote:
JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:45:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:03:53 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.
So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
One doesn't... one uses the cable connection
...Jim Thompson
It is possible, for some price, to get megibit/s mobile service
throughout most of the urbanized US and Europe. Is that high speed
enough for you?
If i could afford $100/mo then i cold use either DSL or cable for
internet.
Surely neither cost anywhere close to that?! I've never paid more than $40/mo
for an Internet connection (and it's gone down with each iteration).
Baer is a sucker and gets ripped off at every turn by corporate greed.
He doesn't realise that he is a disadvantaged digital "have not" stuck
in the stone age. Can't even configure a dialup modem correctly.
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
He isn't in the UK, so the rates there aren't all that important. Yes, the
"last mile" here can be very expensive, crappy, or both.
Quote:
I have never paid more than £18 pcm ($30) for broadband.
The cheapest broadband I've ever had is my current service, just under $20/mo.
The speed is atrocious, for broadband, though. Ten years ago I it cost $40/mo
for, what was at the time, pretty decent broadband (Adelphia Cable).
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:53 am
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:16:04 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
Quote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:23:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going
to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the
house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks
but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a
VOIP line.
I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even
own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have
the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just
3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the
same
time.
Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.
So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
My BlackBerry gives me about 100 kb/s, by using a USB cable and the
BB manager software. It's great as a backup, e.g. during power
failures, or when working on the road. Mine comes as part of the
$39 unlimited data plan.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Meaning $39/mo in addition to POTS; about the same as getting DSL
(not counting taxes and fees).
I wish it were as cheap as that--for two BBs and three other phones
for the family, it comes in around $250. On the other hand, you also
get Web and email on your BB.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
$250 is stratospheric for me..
I don't think it's too cheap for many of us, but it does get us two BBs
and three other phones. The contract runs out in February, so we'll see
what we can finagle at that point. You can't run a business on a phone
line you share with teenagers.
I don't know how BB contracts work, but cell phone plans usually continue
until you modify something, THEN you get a new contract. I haven't had a
contract on mine for over a year and the plan doesn't change until I do
something dumb, like get a new phone. Of course they're constantly sending me
offers for the latest gadgets.
I'm waiting to get loose from the contract I have, so that I can shop
around.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:23:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going
to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the
house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks
but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a
VOIP line.
I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even
own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have
the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just
3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the
same
time.
Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.
So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
My BlackBerry gives me about 100 kb/s, by using a USB cable and the
BB manager software. It's great as a backup, e.g. during power
failures, or when working on the road. Mine comes as part of the
$39 unlimited data plan.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Meaning $39/mo in addition to POTS; about the same as getting DSL
(not counting taxes and fees).
I wish it were as cheap as that--for two BBs and three other phones
for the family, it comes in around $250. On the other hand, you also
get Web and email on your BB.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
$250 is stratospheric for me..
I don't think it's too cheap for many of us, but it does get us two BBs
and three other phones. The contract runs out in February, so we'll see
what we can finagle at that point. You can't run a business on a phone
line you share with teenagers.
I don't know how BB contracts work, but cell phone plans usually continue
until you modify something, THEN you get a new contract. I haven't had a
contract on mine for over a year and the plan doesn't change until I do
something dumb, like get a new phone. Of course they're constantly sending me
offers for the latest gadgets.
I'm waiting to get loose from the contract I have, so that I can shop
around.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, but make sure you find a better deal,
all around, than what you're giving up. Often this isn't possible, even from
the same company, because your current deal may be grandfathered, without
signing a new contract.
Quote:
Of course that won't be a problem round here for awhile...#2 daughter
leaves for UToronto again on Thursday, and my son is leaving tomorrow
for a year as a missionary in Tanzania. (Parental nails are chewed a
little shorter than usual, but he's a very capable fellow and will do fine.)
How long is the kid gone to Tanzania for? My brother was in the Peace Corps
in Kenya (400) moons ago. He met his wife there (a Brit).
He's planning to come back in late May or early June.
leaves for UToronto again on Thursday, and my son is leaving tomorrow
for a year as a missionary in Tanzania. (Parental nails are chewed a
little shorter than usual, but he's a very capable fellow and will do fine.)
How long is the kid gone to Tanzania for? My brother was in the Peace Corps
in Kenya (400) moons ago. He met his wife there (a Brit).
He's planning to come back in late May or early June.
Ah, no time.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:23 am
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP.
My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
Quote:
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
Robert Baer
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Guest
Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:34 am
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP. My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP.
My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Guest
Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:25 pm
"keithw86_at_gmail.com" wrote:
Quote:
On Sep 1, 2:34 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-...
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP.
My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage...
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
I didn't know DISH had an Internet option (Hughes, yes).
Direct TV does, or did. 'PC Direct'. Then there is 'WildBlue'.
There is a used system for sale on Craigslist:
http://ocala.craigslist.org/ele/1885502201.html
--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.
JosephKK
Guest
Guest
Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:33 pm
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:28:53 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:
Quote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
? On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:41:12 -0700, Robert Baer ?robertbaer_at_localnet.com?
? wrote:
?
?? Eeyore wrote:
??? Robert Baer wrote:
???? Modem dials, line picks up, handshake then v e r i f i c a t i o n .
???? . . . . . (...) . . connect [at last!].
???? I do remember seeing almost immediate verification.
???? How do i restore that?
???? Thanks.
??? 56k modem ? They spend some time negotiating the reliable fastest
??? possible data rate over your connection. A possible sign of a growing
??? line fault ? Have you noticed any audible degradation on the line ?
??? Another tip - dial one number to kill the dial tone and listen for
??? noise. Could even be your telecom supplier working on lines and
??? re-routing your connection.
???
??? Can you not get broadband ?
???
??? Graham
?? I can get broadband, but cannot afford the extra $40 or so
?? (undisclosed taxes and fees almost double advertised baitxxxxrates.
?? Line is OK; for ducks, i installed an OS on a wiped drive, then
?? Seamonkey to try: negotiates well under a second.
?
? Yikes! That's steep. I have naked DSL from Verizon and the entire bill is
? $19.95 (up from $19.65 a couple of months ago - ??). DSL sucks, but it's not
? too bad; cheaper than a phone line. If I could get cable here, I hear it's
? worse than DSL. The city just won a referendum to install fiber "to the
? house" and go into the TV and Internet business, so we'll see how that works
? out.
Qwest does not give a damn about customers, only the money.
About $40/mo including all of the taxes, fees and taxes on the fees
and fees on the taxes got POTS.
ADD another "only" $20/mo (bait and switch introductory rate) for DSL.
Undisclosed additional taxes and fees add to that.
How the hell can DSL be "cheaper than a phone line" when it REQUIRES
a phone line?
You can get DSL without phone service, and some of the fees only
apply to phone service.
Did not know that, but it is a moot point with no in/out calling
capability.
Robert Baer wrote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
? On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:41:12 -0700, Robert Baer ?robertbaer_at_localnet.com?
? wrote:
?
?? Eeyore wrote:
??? Robert Baer wrote:
???? Modem dials, line picks up, handshake then v e r i f i c a t i o n .
???? . . . . . (...) . . connect [at last!].
???? I do remember seeing almost immediate verification.
???? How do i restore that?
???? Thanks.
??? 56k modem ? They spend some time negotiating the reliable fastest
??? possible data rate over your connection. A possible sign of a growing
??? line fault ? Have you noticed any audible degradation on the line ?
??? Another tip - dial one number to kill the dial tone and listen for
??? noise. Could even be your telecom supplier working on lines and
??? re-routing your connection.
???
??? Can you not get broadband ?
???
??? Graham
?? I can get broadband, but cannot afford the extra $40 or so
?? (undisclosed taxes and fees almost double advertised baitxxxxrates.
?? Line is OK; for ducks, i installed an OS on a wiped drive, then
?? Seamonkey to try: negotiates well under a second.
?
? Yikes! That's steep. I have naked DSL from Verizon and the entire bill is
? $19.95 (up from $19.65 a couple of months ago - ??). DSL sucks, but it's not
? too bad; cheaper than a phone line. If I could get cable here, I hear it's
? worse than DSL. The city just won a referendum to install fiber "to the
? house" and go into the TV and Internet business, so we'll see how that works
? out.
Qwest does not give a damn about customers, only the money.
About $40/mo including all of the taxes, fees and taxes on the fees
and fees on the taxes got POTS.
ADD another "only" $20/mo (bait and switch introductory rate) for DSL.
Undisclosed additional taxes and fees add to that.
How the hell can DSL be "cheaper than a phone line" when it REQUIRES
a phone line?
You can get DSL without phone service, and some of the fees only
apply to phone service.
Did not know that, but it is a moot point with no in/out calling
capability.
Look in to Magic Jack.
keithw86@gmail.com
Guest
Guest
Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:57 pm
On Sep 1, 2:34 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Quote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-....
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP. My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage....
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-....
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP.
My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage....
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
I didn't know DISH had an Internet option (Hughes, yes).
Mark Zenier
Guest
Guest
Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:28 pm
In article <qfOdnbgH3sifTeXRnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d_at_posted.localnet>,
Robert Baer <robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:
Quote:
Been there; the "important" 56K and v.34 etc are partially
undocumented and hidden and what is not hidden is quite different.
I played a lot with what i could get to no avail - most variants from
default were decidedly worse.
And a new HD with fresh installation not only negotiates fast, it
also communicates at 48K instead of the miserable 28.8K i have been
experiencing for many months.
And there are no behind the scenes initialization strings in present
or "fresh" installs - which begs the issue to no end.
undocumented and hidden and what is not hidden is quite different.
I played a lot with what i could get to no avail - most variants from
default were decidedly worse.
And a new HD with fresh installation not only negotiates fast, it
also communicates at 48K instead of the miserable 28.8K i have been
experiencing for many months.
And there are no behind the scenes initialization strings in present
or "fresh" installs - which begs the issue to no end.
Default baud rate on the computer's serial port? The modem, I think,
autobauds and if the port config defaults to 38.4k or lower probably
sets what speed it'll try to negotiate.
There's also the "smart mode/dumb mode" dip switch. (I bought mine
for $1.50 and didn't get a manual). See the silk screen list on the
bottom.
Mark Zenier mzenier_at_eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)
JosephKK
Guest
Guest
Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:41 am
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:23:41 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:03:54 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:18:04 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:38:06 -0500, Joe Chisolm
jchisolm6_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.
I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line.
I've been using MyFax for about a year now. Anyone that needs to
"fax" can, and it arrives here as a PDF attachment to an E-mail.
Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.
My wife is busy with Girl Scout management, and I have my consulting
business, so we need two lines; and I like the comfort of a desk
phone.
For business use, I'd be a little concerned about the sound quality of a cell
phone, particularly the half-duplex issue.
Amen. Especially if the other side is using a speakerphone in some
echoing conference room. Being on a cell destroys the flow of the whole
meeting and annoys everyone.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Odd, my current cell phone is full duplex. Ones from 20 years ago
might not have been, conference phones are definitely modal.
Really? Like a land line? What is it?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Probably provider dependent.
...Jim Thompson
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:18:04 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:38:06 -0500, Joe Chisolm
jchisolm6_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]
Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.
I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line.
I've been using MyFax for about a year now. Anyone that needs to
"fax" can, and it arrives here as a PDF attachment to an E-mail.
Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.
My wife is busy with Girl Scout management, and I have my consulting
business, so we need two lines; and I like the comfort of a desk
phone.
For business use, I'd be a little concerned about the sound quality of a cell
phone, particularly the half-duplex issue.
Amen. Especially if the other side is using a speakerphone in some
echoing conference room. Being on a cell destroys the flow of the whole
meeting and annoys everyone.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Odd, my current cell phone is full duplex. Ones from 20 years ago
might not have been, conference phones are definitely modal.
Really? Like a land line? What is it?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Probably provider dependent.
...Jim Thompson
Jim, could be.
Phil, it is a cheapie, made by Motorola for AT&T for pay as you go
service.
JosephKK
Guest
Guest
Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:52 am
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
Regards,
Martin Brown
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-102275
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage-limit-from-its-acceptable-use-policy/
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
Regards,
Martin Brown
It seems that some calibration is needed here. The land area of the
US is well over 9 million square kilometers, about 6.5% of all the
land on the planet. The land area of Belgium is about 30,000 square
kilometers, about 0.02% of the land on the planet. Belgium has a much
more uniform population density as well. California and Texas have
counties larger than Belgium with far smaller populations.
To help make the point Belgium has over 10 million population (about
3% of the US 310 million) in 1/300th the area.
The infrastructure issue is just not all that comparable.
Data from wikipedia.
Robert Baer
Guest
Guest
Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:55 am
keithw86_at_gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Sep 1, 2:34 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-...
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP. My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage...
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
I didn't know DISH had an Internet option (Hughes, yes).
Something a bit new, not being pushed - maybe they are offering it
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-...
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP.
My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage...
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
I didn't know DISH had an Internet option (Hughes, yes).
Something a bit new, not being pushed - maybe they are offering it
only if asked (or pressed?) and maybe it is a Hughes system that they
then sell.
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Guest
Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:01 pm
Robert Baer wrote:
Quote:
keithw86_at_gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 1, 2:34 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:17 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/08/2010 11:35, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.
There is no cap on broadband in the US that I know of, and I can get
40Mb/s service in my homme if I want it.
Odd then that there is a US Stop-the-cap website campaign and QWests
invisible cap and throttling of YouTube is a perennial gripe.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Bumping-Into-Qwests-Invisible-Cap-...
It is typically somewhere around 3GB pcm on the cheapest ISPs and unless
you spend a lot of time downloading chess tablebases, major OS patch
service disks or pirated DVDs unlikely to be exceeded.
TV over IP.
My son and DIL canceled their cable TV and just use their
ISP to watch all the (free) network stuff.
http://stopthecap.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-frontier-removes-5gb-usage...
You may not be aware of it but most ISPs have an EUP hidden in the small
print. You really have to hammer it to get a warning.
Some NNTP servers have a cap, but that isn't your broadband
connection.
You also forget that the UK is tiny. It takes more fiber and
hardware to cover the US.
Equally the USA already had a major investment in cable TV so some
highspeed infrastructure was already present (same in Belgium).
A lot of it isn't bidirectional and it isn't everywhere. As Michael said, the
US is a big place. I don't have cable TV (stuck with DISH - gack!).
And DISH internet is a totally different ball of wax..
I didn't know DISH had an Internet option (Hughes, yes).
Something a bit new, not being pushed - maybe they are offering it
only if asked (or pressed?) and maybe it is a Hughes system that they
then sell.
http://ocala.craigslist.org/ele/1885502201.html
Is a complete, used Sat broadband package.
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Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.
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