OT: slow dial-up verification

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:18:04 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:38:06 -0500, Joe Chisolm
jchisolm6_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.

...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line.
I've been using MyFax for about a year now. Anyone that needs to
"fax" can, and it arrives here as a PDF attachment to an E-mail.

Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.
My wife is busy with Girl Scout management, and I have my consulting
business, so we need two lines; and I like the comfort of a desk
phone.
For business use, I'd be a little concerned about the sound quality of a cell
phone, particularly the half-duplex issue.

Amen. Especially if the other side is using a speakerphone in some
echoing conference room. Being on a cell destroys the flow of the whole
meeting and annoys everyone.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Odd, my current cell phone is full duplex. Ones from 20 years ago
might not have been, conference phones are definitely modal.

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:18:04 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:38:06 -0500, Joe Chisolm
jchisolm6_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.

...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line.
I've been using MyFax for about a year now. Anyone that needs to
"fax" can, and it arrives here as a PDF attachment to an E-mail.

Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.
My wife is busy with Girl Scout management, and I have my consulting
business, so we need two lines; and I like the comfort of a desk
phone.
For business use, I'd be a little concerned about the sound quality of a cell
phone, particularly the half-duplex issue.

Amen. Especially if the other side is using a speakerphone in some
echoing conference room. Being on a cell destroys the flow of the whole
meeting and annoys everyone.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Odd, my current cell phone is full duplex. Ones from 20 years ago
might not have been, conference phones are definitely modal.

Really? Like a land line? What is it?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:00:21 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:18:04 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:38:06 -0500, Joe Chisolm
jchiso...@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep.  I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.

                                        ...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line.  When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID.  It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street.  So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line.  
I've been using MyFax for about a year now.  Anyone that needs to
"fax" can, and it arrives here as a PDF attachment to an E-mail.

Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time.  But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.
My wife is busy with Girl Scout management, and I have my consulting
business, so we need two lines; and I like the comfort of a desk
phone.

For business use, I'd be a little concerned about the sound quality of a cell
phone, particularly the half-duplex issue.

Amen.  Especially if the other side is using a speakerphone in some
echoing conference room.  Being on a cell destroys the flow of the whole
meeting and annoys everyone.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Odd, my current cell phone is full duplex.  Ones from 20 years ago
might not have been, conference phones are definitely modal.

I think it depends on the connection.  Perhaps it depends on how jammed the
tower is and how many calls they're compressing into the channel.- Hide quoted text -

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Robert Baer wrote:
mpm wrote:
On Aug 26, 4:40 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Modem dials, line picks up, handshake then v e r i f i c a t i o n .
. . . . . (...) . . connect [at last!].
I do remember seeing almost immediate verification.
How do i restore that?
Thanks.

Use a 300 baud or (possibly a 1200 baud) modem.
The time spent negotiating a connection speed and format using faster
modems could be better spent sending the short message using modems
that don't negotiate speeds or formats. For short messages, it's
actually quicker to use a slower modem.

If you're using Hayes command set compatible modems, look for the AT
Command or S-Register that control the connection speed.
Probably an S-register. Been a long time since I messed with dial-up
modems.
To my chagrin, i found that the US Robotics modem bastardized some
of the Hayes command set.
Did a lot of fiddling to no avail.

Been only 8 months, and you already f***ed it up again.

http://groups.google.co.in/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/fec0f70eef96eadb

Not "again", never got fixed.

Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going
to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson

We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a
VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even
own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just
3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the
same
time.

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?

My BlackBerry gives me about 100 kb/s, by using a USB cable and the
BB manager software. It's great as a backup, e.g. during power
failures, or when working on the road. Mine comes as part of the $39
unlimited data plan.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Meaning $39/mo in addition to POTS; about the same as getting DSL
(not counting taxes and fees).

I wish it were as cheap as that--for two BBs and three other phones for
the family, it comes in around $250. On the other hand, you also get
Web and email on your BB.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

$250 is stratospheric for me..

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:28:53 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer_at_localnet.com
wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
? On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:41:12 -0700, Robert Baer ?robertbaer_at_localnet.com?
? wrote:
?
?? Eeyore wrote:
??? Robert Baer wrote:
???? Modem dials, line picks up, handshake then v e r i f i c a t i o n .
???? . . . . . (...) . . connect [at last!].
???? I do remember seeing almost immediate verification.
???? How do i restore that?
???? Thanks.
??? 56k modem ? They spend some time negotiating the reliable fastest
??? possible data rate over your connection. A possible sign of a growing
??? line fault ? Have you noticed any audible degradation on the line ?
??? Another tip - dial one number to kill the dial tone and listen for
??? noise. Could even be your telecom supplier working on lines and
??? re-routing your connection.
???
??? Can you not get broadband ?
???
??? Graham
?? I can get broadband, but cannot afford the extra $40 or so
?? (undisclosed taxes and fees almost double advertised baitxxxxrates.
?? Line is OK; for ducks, i installed an OS on a wiped drive, then
?? Seamonkey to try: negotiates well under a second.
?
? Yikes! That's steep. I have naked DSL from Verizon and the entire bill is
? $19.95 (up from $19.65 a couple of months ago - ??). DSL sucks, but it's not
? too bad; cheaper than a phone line. If I could get cable here, I hear it's
? worse than DSL. The city just won a referendum to install fiber "to the
? house" and go into the TV and Internet business, so we'll see how that works
? out.
Qwest does not give a damn about customers, only the money.
About $40/mo including all of the taxes, fees and taxes on the fees
and fees on the taxes got POTS.
ADD another "only" $20/mo (bait and switch introductory rate) for DSL.
Undisclosed additional taxes and fees add to that.
How the hell can DSL be "cheaper than a phone line" when it REQUIRES
a phone line?

You can get DSL without phone service, and some of the fees only
apply to phone service.


Did not know that, but it is a moot point with no in/out calling
capability.

Use a cell phone or perhaps MagicJack, Vonage, or such.
So, how does one connect the computer to a cell phone for internet

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:08:09 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/08/2010 09:47, Robert Baer wrote:
Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
In article <2NydnSrZ5P33q-vRnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d_at_posted.localnet>,
Robert Baer <robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:

Modem dials, line picks up, handshake then v e r i f i c a t i o n .
. . . . . (...) . . connect [at last!].
I do remember seeing almost immediate verification.
How do i restore that?
Thanks.
For 56K, some time is spent analyzing the line and negotiating
supported features. Assuming you want to keep 56K, make then
connection, ask your modem for a dump of active features, and then
force that feature set in the initialization string. That will bypass
the sometimes lengthy process where different brands of modems keep
getting in race and retry conditions during negotiation. You'll need
to associate that initialization string with the phone number because
it may not work in general.
Huh? "Associate with phone number"??
The init string can be bound to the phone number of your ISP in the
dialup connectoid. You may find that certain blocks of their modems on
one number work better than others. The advice is good.

If as seems likely for a penny pinching cheapskate with a prehistoric
modem you are on a DACS'd phone line with lousy bandwidth then your best
bet is to force a V34+ connection at the start of negotiations.

Or force a maximum 56k data rate that is low enough that negotiation for
highest rate takes a much shorter time. 56k has never been instant but
is under 10s on a good day. The protocol tries hard to get a solution
but it is a lost cause if something inbetween you and the exchange is
redigitising the signal en route.

Generally V34 and earlier will do better on lousy cheap voice only phone
lines. It is not for nothing that bank machines use old modem protocols
with quick negotiation to send short pulses of data.

Since you are stuck with dialup you would be a lot better off with an
internal modem with a much deeper FIFO.

Regards,
Martin Brown

This NG has been around this block before. He has the line he has and
pays the rates he gets. For a worthwhile question, can Robert read
fast enough to make download a whole days worth of NNTP and such
worthwhile? Or does he read (and write) slow enough that a 2400 baud
modem can keep up with him? Using the web, bawg, almost all websites
have so much bloat in them that they require a DSL line.
Check; most web sites are not only bloat but getting worse.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:45:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:03:53 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:

Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.

...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
One doesn't... one uses the cable connection

...Jim Thompson

It is possible, for some price, to get megibit/s mobile service
throughout most of the urbanized US and Europe. Is that high speed
enough for you?
If i could afford $100/mo then i cold use either DSL or cable for

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:28:53 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer_at_localnet.com
wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
? On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:41:12 -0700, Robert Baer
?robertbaer_at_localnet.com?
? wrote:
?
?? Eeyore wrote:
??? Robert Baer wrote:
???? Modem dials, line picks up, handshake then v e r i f i c a t i
o n .
???? . . . . . (...) . . connect [at last!].
???? I do remember seeing almost immediate verification.
???? How do i restore that?
???? Thanks.
??? 56k modem ? They spend some time negotiating the reliable fastest
??? possible data rate over your connection. A possible sign of a
growing
??? line fault ? Have you noticed any audible degradation on the
line ?
??? Another tip - dial one number to kill the dial tone and listen for
??? noise. Could even be your telecom supplier working on lines and
??? re-routing your connection.
???
??? Can you not get broadband ?
???
??? Graham
?? I can get broadband, but cannot afford the extra $40 or so
?? (undisclosed taxes and fees almost double advertised baitxxxxrates.
?? Line is OK; for ducks, i installed an OS on a wiped drive, then
?? Seamonkey to try: negotiates well under a second.
?
? Yikes! That's steep. I have naked DSL from Verizon and the entire
bill is
? $19.95 (up from $19.65 a couple of months ago - ??). DSL sucks,
but it's not
? too bad; cheaper than a phone line. If I could get cable here, I
hear it's
? worse than DSL. The city just won a referendum to install fiber
"to the
? house" and go into the TV and Internet business, so we'll see how
that works
? out.
Qwest does not give a damn about customers, only the money.
About $40/mo including all of the taxes, fees and taxes on the fees
and fees on the taxes got POTS.
ADD another "only" $20/mo (bait and switch introductory rate) for DSL.
Undisclosed additional taxes and fees add to that.
How the hell can DSL be "cheaper than a phone line" when it REQUIRES
a phone line?

You can get DSL without phone service, and some of the fees only
apply to phone service.


Did not know that, but it is a moot point with no in/out calling
capability.

Use a cell phone or perhaps MagicJack, Vonage, or such.

So, how does one connect the computer to a cell phone for internet AND
what are the extra costs?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going
to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson

We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the
house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks
but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a
VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even
own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have
the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just
3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the
same
time.

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?

My BlackBerry gives me about 100 kb/s, by using a USB cable and the
BB manager software. It's great as a backup, e.g. during power
failures, or when working on the road. Mine comes as part of the
$39 unlimited data plan.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Meaning $39/mo in addition to POTS; about the same as getting DSL
(not counting taxes and fees).

I wish it were as cheap as that--for two BBs and three other phones
for the family, it comes in around $250. On the other hand, you also
get Web and email on your BB.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

$250 is stratospheric for me..

Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going
to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson

We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the
house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks
but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a
VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even
own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have
the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just
3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the
same
time.

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?

My BlackBerry gives me about 100 kb/s, by using a USB cable and the
BB manager software. It's great as a backup, e.g. during power
failures, or when working on the road. Mine comes as part of the
$39 unlimited data plan.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Meaning $39/mo in addition to POTS; about the same as getting DSL
(not counting taxes and fees).

I wish it were as cheap as that--for two BBs and three other phones
for the family, it comes in around $250. On the other hand, you also
get Web and email on your BB.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

$250 is stratospheric for me..

I don't think it's too cheap for many of us, but it does get us two BBs
and three other phones. The contract runs out in February, so we'll see
what we can finagle at that point. You can't run a business on a phone
line you share with teenagers.

Of course that won't be a problem round here for awhile...#2 daughter
leaves for UToronto again on Thursday, and my son is leaving tomorrow
for a year as a missionary in Tanzania. (Parental nails are chewed a
little shorter than usual, but he's a very capable fellow and will do fine.)

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:45:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:03:53 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:

Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.

...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just 3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the same
time.

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
One doesn't... one uses the cable connection

...Jim Thompson

It is possible, for some price, to get megibit/s mobile service
throughout most of the urbanized US and Europe. Is that high speed
enough for you?
If i could afford $100/mo then i cold use either DSL or cable for
internet.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:23:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Joe Chisolm wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:34:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
[snip]

Yep. I'm seriously considering dropping the land lines and going
to a
cellphone docking system... saving about $125/month.
...Jim Thompson
We are going on 6 years without a land line. When we bought the
house
it did not even have a NID. It has the inside wiring to the jacks
but
nothing to the street. So we went cell phone only and I have a
VOIP line.

I have not sent/received a fax in probably 10 years and dont even
own a
fax machine now (except I think the multifunction printer/scanner
will work as a fax). That was another nail in the coffin for the land
line. Thought about the cell phone dock to make it easier to have
the
wife and I both on the line at the same time. But why, I just
3-way call
to her phone if it's that important for both of us to be on at the
same
time.

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?
My BlackBerry gives me about 100 kb/s, by using a USB cable and the
BB manager software. It's great as a backup, e.g. during power
failures, or when working on the road. Mine comes as part of the
$39 unlimited data plan.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Meaning $39/mo in addition to POTS; about the same as getting DSL
(not counting taxes and fees).
I wish it were as cheap as that--for two BBs and three other phones
for the family, it comes in around $250. On the other hand, you also
get Web and email on your BB.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

$250 is stratospheric for me..
I don't think it's too cheap for many of us, but it does get us two BBs
and three other phones. The contract runs out in February, so we'll see
what we can finagle at that point. You can't run a business on a phone
line you share with teenagers.

I don't know how BB contracts work, but cell phone plans usually continue
until you modify something, THEN you get a new contract. I haven't had a
contract on mine for over a year and the plan doesn't change until I do
something dumb, like get a new phone. Of course they're constantly sending me
offers for the latest gadgets.

Of course that won't be a problem round here for awhile...#2 daughter
leaves for UToronto again on Thursday, and my son is leaving tomorrow
for a year as a missionary in Tanzania. (Parental nails are chewed a
little shorter than usual, but he's a very capable fellow and will do fine.)

How long is the kid gone to Tanzania for? My brother was in the Peace Corps
in Kenya (400) moons ago. He met his wife there (a Brit).

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:19:09 -0700, Robert Baer<robertbaer_at_localnet.com
wrote:

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:45:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:03:53 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:

Joe Chisolm wrote:

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?

One doesn't... one uses the cable connection

...Jim Thompson

It is possible, for some price, to get megibit/s mobile service
throughout most of the urbanized US and Europe. Is that high speed
enough for you?
If i could afford $100/mo then i cold use either DSL or cable for
internet.

Surely neither cost anywhere close to that?! I've never paid more than $40/mo
for an Internet connection (and it's gone down with each iteration).

On 30/08/2010 23:58, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:19:09 -0700, Robert Baer<robertbaer_at_localnet.com
wrote:

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:45:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 02:03:53 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote:

Joe Chisolm wrote:

Kill the land line and spend the money on good wine and food.

So, how in the *** does one use a cell phone for (high speed?)
internet connection?

One doesn't... one uses the cable connection :-)

...Jim Thompson

It is possible, for some price, to get megibit/s mobile service
throughout most of the urbanized US and Europe. Is that high speed
enough for you?
If i could afford $100/mo then i cold use either DSL or cable for
internet.

Surely neither cost anywhere close to that?! I've never paid more than $40/mo
for an Internet connection (and it's gone down with each iteration).

Baer is a sucker and gets ripped off at every turn by corporate greed.
He doesn't realise that he is a disadvantaged digital "have not" stuck
in the stone age. Can't even configure a dialup modem correctly.

The cheapest UK broadband deals for 8Mbps and a 10GB/month cap work out
at about £5 extra per month with AOL over the basic phone line rental
(which with BT is typically £11.50). Though you can get unlimited
downloads for that price the contention ratio is lousy. I am a bit
surprised at the prices you all seem to be paying - the UK is not often
cheaper for high technology but in this particular case it seems to be.

I have never paid more than £18 pcm ($30) for broadband.

Regards,
Martin Brown