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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote in
news:66ffe894-4c4e-4676-8516-eba49cd01873_at_googlegroups.com:

Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 2:44:11 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 4:55:19 AM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
I just read that yet another port processing plant has closed
because 4
0%, 900 workers tested positive for this disease. The plant
closures are adding up and meat is going to be in short supply
soon. So it seems we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

A farmer friend (Bruce) is slaughtering another cow.
I'd buy more meat if I had any more room in my
freezer. We had Bruce T-bones the other night.
Umm.

Some people think you are going to need guns to protect that
freezer. If I were in your shoes I'd have a backup generator.

BTW, why is he slaughtering cows? We are pretty sure they aren't
responsible for the virus.


Do the math. Closing meat processing facilities.

You raise cattle but nobody wants them and there are no steaks left
down at the market. What do you do.

Slice one (or three) of those fuckers up yourself.

Easy Peasy.

Ricky C
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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:05:45 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Quote:
Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote in
news:66ffe894-4c4e-4676-8516-eba49cd01873_at_googlegroups.com:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 2:44:11 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 4:55:19 AM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
I just read that yet another port processing plant has closed
because 4
0%, 900 workers tested positive for this disease. The plant
closures are adding up and meat is going to be in short supply
soon. So it seems we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

A farmer friend (Bruce) is slaughtering another cow.
I'd buy more meat if I had any more room in my
freezer. We had Bruce T-bones the other night.
Umm.

Some people think you are going to need guns to protect that
freezer. If I were in your shoes I'd have a backup generator.

BTW, why is he slaughtering cows? We are pretty sure they aren't
responsible for the virus.


Do the math. Closing meat processing facilities.

You raise cattle but nobody wants them and there are no steaks left
down at the market. What do you do.

Slice one (or three) of those fuckers up yourself.

Easy Peasy.


I'm waiting for someone to say they can't buy beef in the stores. Meat processing plants have been closing for weeks now and I haven't seen anything remotely like a meat shortage yet. Must be a rather large pipeline. Not that I care much. lol

Isn't the fact that factories which remained open during the shut down are having to be closed due to massive infection rates what they call a clue? Isn't it obvious that every business that tries to keep employees on site during this peak infection time will just lose employees to the disease?

All because this country is too whiny and concerned about getting haircuts to actually do what it takes to fight this disease?

What a bunch of wusses! Wusses about viruses!!!

I guess this is not the same country that was bombed at Pearl Harbor and came back to win a world war or that hunted down Osama bin Laden after the 9-11 attacks. Nope, one little virus and everyone is throwing in the towel. Wusses!

--

Rick C.

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mpm
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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

> Some people think you are going to need guns to protect that freezer. If I were in your shoes I'd have a backup generator.

And what are you going to need to protect THAT?
A cannon? Howitzer? :)

If the power goes out, the freezer will only last so long anyway.
People need to get their priorities straight.

Generator, Fuel, Steaks, Freezer and then the guns.

No wait:
Toilet Paper, Generator, Fuel..... Smile

mpm
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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:23:16 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

> I guess this is not the same country that was bombed at Pearl Harbor and came back to win a world war or that hunted down Osama bin Laden...

Technically, Hawaii was only a territory at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, but I concur with your sentiments.

What a bunch of wusses.

Here (Florida) it seems that every retailer it trying to out-do the next guy when it comes to protecting us against the Coronavirus. The other day, I saw a line outside the Walmart that was at least an hour long in order to get in the store. (They are throttling the store's occupancy -- all in the name of safety, you know.) What a bunch of BS. People are more likely to catch the coronavirus standing in that ridiculous line.

I really hope this passes soon.
I neither want nor need a "nanny state" trying to force me from catching the cold. (even though I realize of course the novel coronavirus is more serious that just an ordinary cold.., but when and where will the madness stop?)


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Sat May 02, 2020 2:45 am   



John Larkin <jlarkin_at_highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:2m8pafhnjcrikomrqdcagorpkp527ikicm_at_4ax.com:

Quote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:11:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whit3rd_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 19:05:39 +0200, Piotr Wyderski
peter.pan_at_neverland.mil> wrote:

... The US alone have 1.1e6 confirmed cases today, probably
3x that number not diagnosed. This already is on the order of
1% of your population and still growing. Sorry.

30% antibody positive in some places.

Not according to published error estimates. You have to ignore
reality to quote a number without giving its error bars.


Oh, all right.


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Satisfied?



I was pretty sure that all the error bars were located in San Fran.

Bill Sloman
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Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:52:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 09:11:23 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 1:55:19 AM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:


Efficiency benefit from dense populations is on the side of the microbe.

Yes. The R factor is a radical function of population density.


In reality it is a function of how often people get together for face-to-face interactions that last longer than about 15 minutes. Parties, family get-to-gethers, demonstrations and church services are responsible for most Covid-19 infections.

All happen more often when the population density is high, and keep on happening under lock-down amongst people who don't have enough sense to understand why they shouldn't do it.

Trump supporters do seem to be particularly dense.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney


Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Sat, 2 May 2020 01:03:10 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno_at_decadence.org wrote:

Quote:
John Larkin <jlarkin_at_highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:2m8pafhnjcrikomrqdcagorpkp527ikicm_at_4ax.com:

On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:11:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whit3rd_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 19:05:39 +0200, Piotr Wyderski
peter.pan_at_neverland.mil> wrote:

... The US alone have 1.1e6 confirmed cases today, probably
3x that number not diagnosed. This already is on the order of
1% of your population and still growing. Sorry.

30% antibody positive in some places.

Not according to published error estimates. You have to ignore
reality to quote a number without giving its error bars.


Oh, all right.


================================

-------------------


\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\


Satisfied?



I was pretty sure that all the error bars were located in San Fran.


I met my wife in a gay bar in San Francisco.

We were having a beer recently at Wild Side West, a famous dyke dive
bar, and I stepped away to the mens' room (yes, they have one) and
while I was gone she got hit on by a guy!



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

Les Cargill
Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Quote:

Exactly. The more we lock down, the more our population is fertile for
reinfection.


No, assuming the lockdown works, they're exactly as likely to be
infected once the lockdown ends. There's only exposure or not-exposure
offered by lockdown. It's just delay.

Quote:
Even with a 100' wall around the US, and airports shut
down forever, there will be reservoirs of virus here for years, passed
around silently.


This is only true after some other thing happens.

<snip>

--
Les Cargill

Ricky C
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Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:40:08 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:23:16 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

I guess this is not the same country that was bombed at Pearl Harbor and came back to win a world war or that hunted down Osama bin Laden...

Technically, Hawaii was only a territory at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, but I concur with your sentiments.

What a bunch of wusses.

Here (Florida) it seems that every retailer it trying to out-do the next guy when it comes to protecting us against the Coronavirus. The other day, I saw a line outside the Walmart that was at least an hour long in order to get in the store. (They are throttling the store's occupancy -- all in the name of safety, you know.) What a bunch of BS. People are more likely to catch the coronavirus standing in that ridiculous line.

I really hope this passes soon.
I neither want nor need a "nanny state" trying to force me from catching the cold. (even though I realize of course the novel coronavirus is more serious that just an ordinary cold.., but when and where will the madness stop?)


Wow! You really do have a hard on for Walmart, don't you? Did they not stand in line 6 feet apart? In that case getting infected depends on which way the wind is blowing.

But I think you misunderstand me unless that was intentional. I'm saying I have no respect for the complainers who can't even stay at home a few weeks to get rid of this disease, especially when they tout how patriotic they are but disrespect the honor of those who made real sacrifices for this country.

Patriotic hardly. Idiotic definitely. If you want to be patriotic you need to do whatever it takes to Make America Healthy Again.

--

Rick C.

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whit3rd
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Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:46:42 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com
wrote:

glad to hear. To claim much more than zero, like 30%, is ... extraordinary. We await evidence.

You wouldn't believe anything I said.


Talk is cheap. What can you submit to peer review? Results without
reference to input data, and with incredible error estimates, are the only inputs
you've offered, and rejection was for cause, not just attribution.

It's not just me; folk who deal in knowledge and understanding ALL apply similar
peer review requirements.


Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:40:08 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:23:16 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

I guess this is not the same country that was bombed at Pearl Harbor and came back to win a world war or that hunted down Osama bin Laden...

Technically, Hawaii was only a territory at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, but I concur with your sentiments.


It's was an attack against the U.S. base. Doesn't matter where it was.

Quote:

What a bunch of wusses.

Here (Florida) it seems that every retailer it trying to out-do the next guy when it comes to protecting us against the Coronavirus. The other day, I saw a line outside the Walmart that was at least an hour long in order to get in the store. (They are throttling the store's occupancy -- all in the name of safety, you know.) What a bunch of BS. People are more likely to catch the coronavirus standing in that ridiculous line.


I really hate that many of the markets and gas stations are closing the bathrooms in the name of CV-19.

Quote:
I really hope this passes soon.
I neither want nor need a "nanny state" trying to force me from catching the cold. (even though I realize of course the novel coronavirus is more serious that just an ordinary cold.., but when and where will the madness stop?)



Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 am   



On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 3:30:27 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:11:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

30% antibody positive in some places.

Not according to published error estimates. You have to ignore reality
to quote a number without giving its error bars.

Without knowing what "some places" means, I'll suggest that's misinformation.

Lookie here for a little reality:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/experts-demolish-studies-suggesting-covid-19-is-no-worse-than-flu/

It's important to read past the introduction here; the second page is where the
antibody-positive result has a lower bound computed; it's no less than zero,


If nobody has ever had this, why all the panic?

Quote:
you'll be
glad to hear. To claim much more than zero, like 30%, is ... extraordinary. We await evidence.


You wouldn't believe anything I said.

google antibody tests new york

or antibody tests germany

or something.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

Ricky C
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Sat May 02, 2020 4:45 am   



On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 10:25:49 PM UTC-4, Les Cargill wrote:
Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
snip

Exactly. The more we lock down, the more our population is fertile for
reinfection.

No, assuming the lockdown works, they're exactly as likely to be
infected once the lockdown ends. There's only exposure or not-exposure
offered by lockdown. It's just delay.


That seems to be true in the US, but not in many other places. So, an intelligent person would, instead of just condemning the idea of lock down, ask what are we doing wrong and how can we improve it?

--

Rick C.

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Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 4:45 am   



On Fri, 1 May 2020 19:05:02 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:46:42 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd_at_gmail.com
wrote:

glad to hear. To claim much more than zero, like 30%, is ... extraordinary. We await evidence.

You wouldn't believe anything I said.

Talk is cheap. What can you submit to peer review? Results without
reference to input data, and with incredible error estimates, are the only inputs
you've offered, and rejection was for cause, not just attribution.

It's not just me; folk who deal in knowledge and understanding ALL apply similar
peer review requirements.


Post some links to your peer-reviewed publications.

Or some of your electronic designs.

Or some cat pictures.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

Bill Sloman
Guest

Sat May 02, 2020 4:45 am   



On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 5:43:24 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 11:25:23 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin_at_highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 1 May 2020 20:11:34 +0200, Piotr Wyderski
peter.pan_at_neverland.mil> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

Exactly. The more we lock down, the more our population is fertile for
reinfection. Even with a 100' wall around the US, and airports shut
down forever, there will be reservoirs of virus here for years, passed
around silently.

It's not practical to test the entire US population every week and
stomp out new seeds.

It shocks me that this kind of stuff needs to be explained on an
engineering newsgroup.

Sadly, I'm not shocked.

Every engineering school should have a mandatory course, How To Think
201.


If there was one at Tulane when John Larkin was studying there, he must have skipped most of the lectures.

He does seem to have studied hard in the course that taught him how to be a thoroughly gullible twit, or he may just have a natural aptitude.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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