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Trevor Wilson
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Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:27 am
On 1/14/2012 11:05 AM, kreed wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 14, 7:52 am, Jeßus<n...@all.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:36:45 +1100, Trevor Wilson
tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/13/2012 11:44 PM, kreed wrote:
the ones who own government and to the REAL evil worldwide.
**No one "owns" government. Here in Australia, we have a Democratically
elected government. If we don't like what they do, we vote someone else
in. Simple.
What a load of rubbish, like almost everywhere the political system
consists 2 controlled parties
**Wrong. Again. How about:
Italy?
The UK?
France?
Germany?
Afghanistan?
Iraq?
China
North Korea?
South Korea?
Et al?
In some places there is only one party. In others, there are many parties.
, and one of them always gets power
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either outright or with the support of smaller parties who cannot wait
to sell out.
**Sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't work like that.
Get into the real world.
**Unlike you, I AM in the real world. It seems I know considerably more
about world politics than you do.
If they were truly working for
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the public, for starters they would immediately strike down bad laws
introduced by the previous party,
**SOmetimes, things are not so easy.
default on debts (or at least the
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interest on them) taken out by a previous party that were made
illegally
**Again, this is not something can readily be done in the real world.
Australia is a nation that is desirable for foreign investment, largely
due to it's political stability. One party might make a really, REALLY
dumb decision (like sending Australians to their deaths in Iraq and
Afghanistan, in the process, costing Australian taxpayers BILLIONS of
Dollars), but the succeeding government must maintain those forces, due
to promises made.
, (this would be great as it would ensure that the banksters
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never made a bad loan to the government for bad policy again) made
against the public interest, against the constitution, against the
will of the people, or irresponsibly but these things rarely if ever
happen and at best a law will be watered down, and not completely
removed. The fact is that in many ways they work together as a left
fist, right fist, or "good cop, bad cop" to simply screw the public.
**That would be nice, but, sadly, Liberal governments have a nasty habit
of sending Australians to unpopular wars to be killed for no good reason.
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In most cases, corporate and/or banking needs are fulfilled, as these
are the people who pay them off and/or can make or break them via
privately owned commercial media. You and I are FORCED to pay them
money via the tax system, we cannot refuse if dissatisfied with our
leaders or opt out of any service we are getting if dissatisfied at
its effectiveness or value for money. The latest example being
Harvey Norman and co who wanted the GST introduced on private
purchases online shipped from overseas. This is already being
investigated, and will probably be brought in in some form even though
I doubt that many of the public support it.
**So what? We have a GST. Thanks to Howard and Abbott. Why do you think
it is fair for retailers to compete against other retailers who don't
have to pay a legally constituted AUSTRALIAN tax? Do you think it is
fair that Twiggy Forrest pays no tax? Do YOU pay tax? I know I do. I
hate paying tax. I'll tell you something for nothing. I hate seeing
other AUSTRALIANS paying no, or bugger all tax. Particuarly some rich
cunt like Twiggy Forrest.
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The fact that they do not represent the public opinion can be clearly
shown with Gillard and the Carbon Tax,
**So? We have to have a carbon tax. UNless you can think of a better way
to reduce Australia's CO2 emissions.
as well as many other things
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over the years including the middle east wars.
**You can thank Howard/Abbott for those fiascos. You can thank the
Lieberals for Vietnam too.
The public now is
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little more than a glorified group of slaves that are allowed every so
often to select one of two masters that will boss them and push them
around. Wake up, You and Trevor sound like you are living in some
past stone age.
**Well, no. I live in the real world, not some fantasy land that you
seem to inhabit.
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ROTFL. Occasionally I read your posts. Invariably I end up asking
myself why the hell do I bother. But yes, that's my own fault for not
learning from experience.
ROTFL, to a guy who believes that animal farts, and essential
services like electrical generation and use of cars is
catastrophically warming the earth and will kill us all.
**I trust in the science. What do you trust in? The Catholics? George
Pell, Tony Abbott, Nick Minchin and that bunch of loons don't believe
the hard science.
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And learn how to edit your replies.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Paul Saccani
Guest
Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:49 am
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:36:45 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
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You are a very disturbed individual if you truly believe a lot of what
you have written
Times have changed.
**Then feel free to place your facts on record that refute all of what I
wrote. Saying I am wrong and proving it are two, entirely different, things.
As is proving it and having you acknowledge your errors. The latter
chasm seems to be a vastly larger one than the former.
--
Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.
Paul Saccani
Guest
Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:28 am
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:27:16 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
On 1/14/2012 11:05 AM, kreed wrote:
On Jan 14, 7:52 am, Jeßus<n...@all.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:36:45 +1100, Trevor Wilson
tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/13/2012 11:44 PM, kreed wrote:
the ones who own government and to the REAL evil worldwide.
**No one "owns" government. Here in Australia, we have a Democratically
elected government. If we don't like what they do, we vote someone else
in. Simple.
What a load of rubbish, like almost everywhere the political system
consists 2 controlled parties, and one of them always gets power
either outright or with the support of smaller parties who cannot wait
to sell out.
**Wrong. Again.
It doesn't look like it, despite your weasel editing to remove "with
the support of smaller parties" and pretend that he didn't include
more than two parties.
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How about:
Italy?
Proves his point.
The UK?
Proves his point.
France?
Proves his point.
Germany?
Proves his point.
Afghanistan?
Proves his point.
Iraq?
Proves his point.
China
Not democratic, irrelevant.
North Korea?
Not democratic, irrelevant.
South Korea?
Proves his point.
That's zero for nine, I can see why you would bluster about "Wrong.
Again.", with such compelling evidence on your side.
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**Unlike you, I AM in the real world. It seems I know considerably more
about world politics than you do.
It looks more like you couldn't tell your arse form a hole in the
ground, but by your standards of proof, this would count as an
unassailable support for your position. In reality, you were just
feigning ignorance with your selective editing.
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If they were truly working for
the public, for starters they would immediately strike down bad laws
introduced by the previous party,
**SOmetimes, things are not so easy.
A completely fair comment.
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default on debts (or at least the
interest on them) taken out by a previous party that were made
illegally
**Again, this is not something can readily be done in the real world.
Australia is a nation that is desirable for foreign investment, largely
due to it's political stability. One party might make a really, REALLY
dumb decision (like sending Australians to their deaths in Iraq and
Afghanistan, in the process, costing Australian taxpayers BILLIONS of
Dollars), but the succeeding government must maintain those forces, due
to promises made.
Quite right.
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, (this would be great as it would ensure that the banksters
never made a bad loan to the government for bad policy again) made
against the public interest, against the constitution, against the
will of the people, or irresponsibly but these things rarely if ever
happen and at best a law will be watered down, and not completely
removed. The fact is that in many ways they work together as a left
fist, right fist, or "good cop, bad cop" to simply screw the public.
**That would be nice, but, sadly, Liberal governments have a nasty habit
of sending Australians to unpopular wars to be killed for no good reason.
Bullshit.
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In most cases, corporate and/or banking needs are fulfilled, as these
are the people who pay them off and/or can make or break them via
privately owned commercial media. You and I are FORCED to pay them
money via the tax system, we cannot refuse if dissatisfied with our
leaders or opt out of any service we are getting if dissatisfied at
its effectiveness or value for money. The latest example being
Harvey Norman and co who wanted the GST introduced on private
purchases online shipped from overseas. This is already being
investigated, and will probably be brought in in some form even though
I doubt that many of the public support it.
**So what? We have a GST. Thanks to Howard and Abbott. Why do you think
it is fair for retailers to compete against other retailers who don't
have to pay a legally constituted AUSTRALIAN tax?
The last time I looked, it wasn't fair to charge five times as much
and blame a 10% tax for it!
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Do you think it is fair that Twiggy Forrest pays no tax?
Andrew Forrest pays tax. So your question is not merely irrelevant,
it is disingenuous and defamatory.
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Do YOU pay tax? I know I do. I hate paying tax.
I don't mind paying tax. I sometimes object to my tax money being
wasted.
Mr. Forrest, whom you attack in a repugnant fashion has a similar
attitude - "I'm very happy to pay tax, in fact I'm honoured to be one
of Australia's major taxpayers".
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I'll tell you something for nothing. I hate seeing
other AUSTRALIANS paying no, or bugger all tax. Particuarly some rich
cunt like Twiggy Forrest.
Again, you are talking crap and just showing the chip on your
shoulder. Woody is a rather pleasant fellow who pays his tax. You
are an unpleasant fellow who also pays his tax.
Woody has made the largest personal charity donations in Australian
history, but you feel you can insult him just because he is more
successful than you.
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The fact that they do not represent the public opinion can be clearly
shown with Gillard and the Carbon Tax,
**So? We have to have a carbon tax.
No, we do not.
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UNless you can think of a better way
to reduce Australia's CO2 emissions.
Presupposes such a necessity, which even if GW is completely accepted
is not true.
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as well as many other things
over the years including the middle east wars.
**You can thank Howard/Abbott for those fiascos. You can thank the
Lieberals for Vietnam too.
As though Labor would have acted differently....
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ROTFL, to a guy who believes that animal farts, and essential
services like electrical generation and use of cars is
catastrophically warming the earth and will kill us all.
**I trust in the science.
Yet you feel the need to misrepresent it. I am assuming reasonable
competence on your part to understand the difference between "likely"
and "almost certainly".
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What do you trust in? The Catholics? George
Pell, Tony Abbott, Nick Minchin and that bunch of loons don't believe
the hard science.
Neither do you, though it is more supportive of your position.
--
Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.
Paul Saccani
Guest
Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:33 am
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:14:12 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
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And if we are talking Australia, care to tell us the bad things about
the other billionaires on that list ?
**There are probably quite a few things. Twiggy Forrest, for instance,
ensured that his company paid less tax than the average Australian
worker last year.
Mr. Forrest does not own FMG, and FMG has considerable losses from
start-up to be recouped. You are a ridiculous little man.
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That said, I am presently focussed on the evils of
Gina Rinehart.
And by evil, you mean "does not agree with the T. Wilson world view
and puts money behind that disagreement". You sad, little envious
fellow.
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Let's keep the discussion focussed on her for the moment.
Yes, lets, someone needs to be your whipping boy.
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I also suggest that you attempt to understand how the Australian
government functions.
Assuming no political input, presumably....
--
Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.
Buzz^|
Guest
Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:10 pm
On 16/01/2012 2:28 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:27:16 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/14/2012 11:05 AM, kreed wrote:
On Jan 14, 7:52 am, Jeßus<n...@all.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:36:45 +1100, Trevor Wilson
tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/13/2012 11:44 PM, kreed wrote:
the ones who own government and to the REAL evil worldwide.
**No one "owns" government. Here in Australia, we have a Democratically
elected government. If we don't like what they do, we vote someone else
in. Simple.
What a load of rubbish, like almost everywhere the political system
consists 2 controlled parties, and one of them always gets power
either outright or with the support of smaller parties who cannot wait
to sell out.
**Wrong. Again.
It doesn't look like it, despite your weasel editing to remove "with
the support of smaller parties" and pretend that he didn't include
more than two parties.
How about:
Italy?
Proves his point.
The UK?
Proves his point.
France?
Proves his point.
Germany?
Proves his point.
Afghanistan?
Proves his point.
Iraq?
Proves his point.
China
Not democratic, irrelevant.
North Korea?
Not democratic, irrelevant.
South Korea?
Proves his point.
<snip>
Well you say you would like more than two parties.
Why didn't you put here on your list. We have many, many political parties?
Shouldn't you look at what happens in places with so many parties?
More is better isn't it?
We have 2 PMs two deputy PMs two of everything really, see how well it
works. Everyone wants to be boss, even the prior (or is it current)
ruling party is being split into two to make more parties.
Divide and rule is the motto here.
--
Brad Leyden
6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84
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reply to thread so all may benefit
(or laugh at my mistakes)
Paul Saccani
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:37 am
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:10:41 +1000, Buzz^| <bradleyden_at_spammail.com>
wrote:
Quote:
On 16/01/2012 2:28 PM, Paul Saccani wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:27:16 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor_at_SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/14/2012 11:05 AM, kreed wrote:
On Jan 14, 7:52 am, Jeßus<n...@all.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:36:45 +1100, Trevor Wilson
tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/13/2012 11:44 PM, kreed wrote:
the ones who own government and to the REAL evil worldwide.
**No one "owns" government. Here in Australia, we have a Democratically
elected government. If we don't like what they do, we vote someone else
in. Simple.
What a load of rubbish, like almost everywhere the political system
consists 2 controlled parties, and one of them always gets power
either outright or with the support of smaller parties who cannot wait
to sell out.
**Wrong. Again.
It doesn't look like it, despite your weasel editing to remove "with
the support of smaller parties" and pretend that he didn't include
more than two parties.
How about:
Italy?
Proves his point.
The UK?
Proves his point.
France?
Proves his point.
Germany?
Proves his point.
Afghanistan?
Proves his point.
Iraq?
Proves his point.
China
Not democratic, irrelevant.
North Korea?
Not democratic, irrelevant.
South Korea?
Proves his point.
snip
Well you say you would like more than two parties.
I don't believe I did.
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Why didn't you put here on your list. We have many, many political parties?
Shouldn't you look at what happens in places with so many parties?
More is better isn't it?
We have 2 PMs two deputy PMs two of everything really, see how well it
works. Everyone wants to be boss, even the prior (or is it current)
ruling party is being split into two to make more parties.
Divide and rule is the motto here.
The answers to the constitutional questions are going to be
interesting...
--
Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.
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