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Michael A. Terrell
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:31 pm

Fred Abse wrote:

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:48:58 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

? That their IT department is incompetent?

IT == Ignorant Twat

In some cases it's 'Inbred Trash', AKA: the owner's unemployable
video game freak nephew. :(

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Michael A. Terrell
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:37 pm

Joel Koltner wrote:

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"Joerg" ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid? wrote in message
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? Looks like you've dealt with the wrong companies then. I never
? experienced or saw such problems.

I suspect Michael deals with companies that have rather less spare cash than
many you deal with? Consultants are a bit of a luxury for many companies? Smile

Just because they have someone working IT doesn't mean that they are
competent. It's all some can do to clone the configuration of all the
computers. They can't solve real problems, or deal with dozens or
hundreds of different configurations.

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Joerg
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:19 pm

Joel Koltner wrote:

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"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Looks like you've dealt with the wrong companies then. I never
experienced or saw such problems.

I suspect Michael deals with companies that have rather less spare cash
than many you deal with? Consultants are a bit of a luxury for many
companies? :-)

Most of my clients are small companies and start-ups. Some have an
off-site contract guy run their IT and I have to say, those folks sure
keep the place humming. I don't know what companies Michael gets into
but it sure sounds like they made some bad decisions in the IT area.

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Joerg
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:20 pm

Fred Abse wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.

PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect :-)

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Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:12 pm

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.

PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect Smile

Joerg
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:47 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect :-)

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?

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Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:51 pm

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect :-)

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?

Joerg
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:05 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect Smile

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?

File size?

106k. 20 devices on there, plus some gates and the usual glue stuff.

I may be cheap at times but I think I can spring for this much disk
space :-)

Heck, who needs PS?

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Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:19 pm

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:05:14 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect Smile

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?

File size?

106k. 20 devices on there, plus some gates and the usual glue stuff.

I may be cheap at times but I think I can spring for this much disk
space :-)

Heck, who needs PS?

I thought the original question was HOW to process PS?

Sooner or later you'll have to address Mentor or Cadence output in PS
form.

I went to a Mentor seminar this morning just to keep in touch with
their tools... their heads are still up their asses... and the lunch
was lousy Smile

Joel Koltner
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:40 pm

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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Quote:

I went to a Mentor seminar this morning just to keep in touch with
their tools... their heads are still up their asses... and the lunch
was lousy Smile

Didn't you say it was something like a HyperLynx seminar, though -- where
they're catering to mostly digital guys who typically don't have much of an
analog design background?

But do tell -- what kind of head-up-the-ass sorts of things were they touting?

---Joel

Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:50 pm

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:40:19 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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I went to a Mentor seminar this morning just to keep in touch with
their tools... their heads are still up their asses... and the lunch
was lousy :-)

Didn't you say it was something like a HyperLynx seminar, though -- where
they're catering to mostly digital guys who typically don't have much of an
analog design background?

HyperLynx displays coupling and signal interaction between PCB traces
just like you can simulate in PSpice, or any other Spice for that
matter.

(†) They evaded addressing how you model a board.

Quote:

But do tell -- what kind of head-up-the-ass sorts of things were they touting?

---Joel

Joerg
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:59 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:05:14 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect Smile

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?
File size?

106k. 20 devices on there, plus some gates and the usual glue stuff.

I may be cheap at times but I think I can spring for this much disk
space :-)

Heck, who needs PS?

I thought the original question was HOW to process PS?

It was, but it turns out that it really is a pain in the neck with PS.
So, we'll just take the easier route for now with a better suited file
format.

Quote:

Sooner or later you'll have to address Mentor or Cadence output in PS
form.

Or they have to change to something more contemporary :-)

[...]

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Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:03 pm

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:59:42 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:05:14 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect Smile

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?
File size?

106k. 20 devices on there, plus some gates and the usual glue stuff.

I may be cheap at times but I think I can spring for this much disk
space :-)

Heck, who needs PS?

I thought the original question was HOW to process PS?

It was, but it turns out that it really is a pain in the neck with PS.
So, we'll just take the easier route for now with a better suited file
format.

Sooner or later you'll have to address Mentor or Cadence output in PS
form.

Or they have to change to something more contemporary :-)

[...]

Joel Koltner
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:14 pm

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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Quote:

HyperLynx displays coupling and signal interaction between PCB traces
just like you can simulate in PSpice, or any other Spice for that
matter.

Yes, although hasn't the Achille's heal for PSpice has always trying to get
*lossy* coupled lines to simulate properly? I seem to recall that many models
turn lossy coupled lines into a cascade of a fixed loss and lossless coupled
lines, which is only approximately correct, getting worse as the lines become
longer.

That being said, I suspect the main "value add" of HyperLynx is that it knows
how to import all the common PCB file formats and check constraints (such as
"no more than xx mV far-end corsstalk") whereas SPICE can't import PCB layouts
and requires you to provide macros or similar to check for violations.

Quote:

(?) They evaded addressing how you model a board.

There seems to be a perception in this world that utlizing EM simulation tools
means, "someone lays out a board, and then you feed it to your fancy tool and
tell me how everything interacts, right?" -- when in actuality, except for
small boards, doing so is just way too time-consuming. All the microwave
design tools I'm familiar with (stuff like Microwave Office, Agilent's ADS,
etc.) start with the opposite approach: You lay down your transmission lines,
your discontinuities, etc. -- sometimes using coupled elements that are
behaviorally defined or EM simulated with *small* chunks of bare copper if
you need to -- and once you're all done, THAT defines what the layout looks
like.

Quote:

In researching for a recent IBIS modeling job, I believe that AMS
modeling is the wave of the future.

I suspect you're correct -- particularly for anyone doing IC design.

I do think IBIS will stick around for awhile for digital guys doing
board-level design, though.

---Joel

Joerg
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Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:27 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:59:42 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:05:14 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:47:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:20:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg wrote:

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
PS/PDF support vector, which scales almost infinitely.

PNG is just raster.

Yes, but for schematics it's near poifect Smile

Really? Zoom in to a single CMOS device and try and read the
attributes.

NG=1
M=1
L=3u
W=0.4m

Good enuff?
File size?

106k. 20 devices on there, plus some gates and the usual glue stuff.

I may be cheap at times but I think I can spring for this much disk
space :-)

Heck, who needs PS?
I thought the original question was HOW to process PS?

It was, but it turns out that it really is a pain in the neck with PS.
So, we'll just take the easier route for now with a better suited file
format.

Sooner or later you'll have to address Mentor or Cadence output in PS
form.

Or they have to change to something more contemporary :-)

[...]

You can describe PS as not contemporary all you want, but you're
wrong. It's the root of PDF creation and virtually ALL high-end
publication products.

Probably so. But I don't want to publish a fancy magazine with it. And
there has got to be a reason why contemporary word processors either
have trouble or flat-out refuse to import it. The old ones in the early
90's still did but even then with rather mixed success. Back then I (and
a lot of others) switched to HPGL, problem solved. Nowadays we just
switch to PNG, GIF or similar.

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