OT: Ghostscript, won't install

Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.

Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?

You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.


Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.

Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.


Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.


That their IT department is incompetent?

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:48:58 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.
Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?
You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.
Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.

Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.

Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.

That their IT department is incompetent?

Aren't they all?

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:45:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:11:31 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP_at_interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:20:49 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Ok, maybe I should switch then. But only after I have figured out a way
to convert these PS files to PDF files that aren't just blank pages.
However, first I am going to try to convince the IC guys to send in a
more modern format such as PNG.
I can give a sample file a try with Illustrator if you'd like.
Thanks, Spehro, but I just came off the teleconference and it seems we
can leave PS and go over to something better.


Why? He can't/won't RTFM ;-)

My ancient (2001) copy of GSview/Ghostscript works just fine on
2008-generated PS files.

Well, I have two PS files here (which I unfortunately cannot share) that
neither convert to PDF correctly nor point from GSView. Sure, a sheet
comes out of the printer but there ain't nuthin' on there. On the screen
they present ok but the circuit parts are dark gray, not black.

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
NDA me, then give me the file

Then my client will have to shoot you :-)

With an NDA? I can pass NDA-protected stuff to my employees.

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:45:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:55:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:11:31 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP_at_interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:20:49 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Ok, maybe I should switch then. But only after I have figured out a way
to convert these PS files to PDF files that aren't just blank pages.
However, first I am going to try to convince the IC guys to send in a
more modern format such as PNG.
I can give a sample file a try with Illustrator if you'd like.
Thanks, Spehro, but I just came off the teleconference and it seems we
can leave PS and go over to something better.


Why? He can't/won't RTFM ;-)

My ancient (2001) copy of GSview/Ghostscript works just fine on
2008-generated PS files.

Well, I have two PS files here (which I unfortunately cannot share) that
neither convert to PDF correctly nor point from GSView. Sure, a sheet
comes out of the printer but there ain't nuthin' on there. On the screen
they present ok but the circuit parts are dark gray, not black.

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.
NDA me, then give me the file

Then my client will have to shoot you :-)

With an NDA? I can pass NDA-protected stuff to my employees.


Just talked with the client, didn't seem to like the idea of sharing.
They also have issues with printing over there so, hear, hear, I am not
the only one. But we'll ditch PS for PNG, that fixes it.

BTW it is not Cadence, it's Mentor.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:44:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:51:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.
Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?
You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.
Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.


Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.

Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.

"Rather clear" is a sample-of-one


Nope, engineers at clients told me the same thing. It's like with Orcad
where some folks said "Yeah, don't give any software to Joerg" and then,
later ... "Dang! It also crashes on me all the time". Well, I fixed that
problem by pulling the plug :-)

OK. Let's take a vote. How many people can replicate Joerg's crashes
?

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:48:58 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:


Joerg wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.

Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?

You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.


Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.

Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.


Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.


That their IT department is incompetent?

Aren't they all?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.
Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?
You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.
Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.

Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.

Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.

That their IT department is incompetent?

I doubt think their IT department has anything to do with writing Acrobat.


Woosh!!!!!!!!!!


Wot's wooshed?

No, I am going to try to get them away from PS. After all, we are the
client this time

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.
Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?
You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.
Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.

Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.

Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.
That their IT department is incompetent?

I doubt think their IT department has anything to do with writing Acrobat.

Woosh!!!!!!!!!!

Wot's wooshed?


It went right over your head. :(

"krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:48:58 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
wrote:

[snip]
?
?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.

PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
graphical and printing worlds.
Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.

Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?
You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
doesn't make PS the problem.
Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
"piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.

Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.

Maybe he has trouble with RTFM :-)

I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".

Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.

Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
complexity never crash on this here computation machine?

Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
what that means.

That their IT department is incompetent?
Aren't they all?


Every one I've dealt with. Secretaries get new computers with all
the RAM and a fast CPU, while engineering gets the outdated junk.
Failing hardware, slow hard drives and 90% misconfigured software that
barely functions. Een worse is when they attempt to repair the
hardware. I have a used outlet strip that came from a local company,
where the IT department wrapped a paper clip around the switch
terminals.

Hi Jörg,

No, I am going to try to get them away from PS. After all, we are the
client this time :-)

Just ask them to convert the Files to pdf for you, I'm suer they will do
it without any comments.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
??? Joerg wrote:
???? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
????? Joerg wrote:
?????? Jim Thompson wrote:
??????? On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:46:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
??????? ?mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net? wrote:
???????
???????? Joerg wrote:
????????? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
?????????? Jim Thompson wrote:
??????????? On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:44:16 -0700, Joerg ?invalid_at_invalid.invalid?
??????????? wrote:
???????????
??????????? [snip]
??????????? ?
??????????? ?It would be very simple if many of the popular tools could at least
??????????? ?import it. But PS must have fallen from grace, almost none do. However,
??????????? ?Jim said Paint Shop does and that may be the ticket here because I am
??????????? ?sure it has a more professional frontend than what I've got now.
???????????
??????????? PS hasn't fallen from grace... it's very much alive in the fancy
??????????? graphical and printing worlds.
?????????? Jeorge just doesn't want to take the time to lern how to use it.
??????????
????????? Why learn how to drive and maintain a Stanley Steamer when you can buy a
????????? nice gasoline-engine car everywhere?
???????? You seem to be the only one around here with problems with PS. That
???????? doesn't make PS the problem.
?????? Nope, not the only one. Actually, at one client an engineer calls PS
?????? "piece of s..t". He became a lot more fed up with it than I did.
??????
??????? Joerg seems to have problems with just about every software there is.
???????
??????? Maybe he has trouble with RTFM
???????
??????? I also think he needs to run a reputable clean-up tool on his system.
??????? He claims crashes on products I've never had issues with. I think
??????? he's drifted off into DLL-conflict land, due to going "cheap".
???????
??????? Maybe he also needs to read-up on "compatibility" set-ups.
???????
?????? Again, it's only Acrobat that crashes all the time. Now how do you
?????? explain that all other programs including some with a whole lot more
?????? complexity never crash on this here computation machine?
??????
?????? Also, it's machine independent. On the other PCs Acrobat crashes all the
?????? time and nothing else does. Same at clients. To me it is rather clear
?????? what that means.
????? That their IT department is incompetent?
?????
???? I doubt think their IT department has anything to do with writing Acrobat.
???
??? Woosh!!!!!!!!!!
???
?? Wot's wooshed?
?
?
? It went right over your head.
?

Did you notice that I said that the other programs do not crash? So
what's any IT department got to do with it then?

Looks like you've dealt with the wrong companies then. I never
experienced or saw such problems.

Nah, gimmee PNG and everything is cool.

That their IT department is incompetent?