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John Larkin
Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:48 am   



On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:36:40 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 01/08/2017 05:28 PM, krw_at_notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:48:21 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:32:44 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

i
On 01/08/2017 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:58:37 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk_at_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/01/17 06:53, bitrex wrote:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s military and
other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in relative terms, the
US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the tired one, torn by
self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the expense of a deteriorating
social safety net and crumbling infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation
with the culture wars over class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction
borne out by the essential sameness of the two political parties in their
prescription for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant world
social force, as its present development projects in Africa and Latin America
show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid ethnocentric mode. Neither
Russia nor China will lie down and play dead to American ambition."


While history doesn't repeat, it does rhyme.

In this case UK in 1930s is similar to USA in 2010s - at
the peak of their empire.

Shame.
ht
Empire? Do we have to give up Ireland and India and South Africa too?


The author notes that world opinion is that the US is a nation in
decline, and IIRC Trump just ran a successful campaign whose slogan drew
directly from that observation.

Standard 2016 internet hyperbolic blather. There's a lot of that going
around.


So. Is America a nation in decline, or is it not a nation in decline?
Trump seems to believe it is. And in a world of such black-and-white
thinking, it certainly can't be both at the same time.

There are many possible definitions of "decline." I think there's too
much pastrami and too little corned beef.

Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.


I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...


Work? Oh, thanks for reminding me.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

bitrex
Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:20 am   



On 01/09/2017 12:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:36:40 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 01/08/2017 05:28 PM, krw_at_notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:48:21 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:32:44 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

i
On 01/08/2017 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:58:37 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk_at_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/01/17 06:53, bitrex wrote:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s military and
other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in relative terms, the
US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the tired one, torn by
self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the expense of a deteriorating
social safety net and crumbling infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation
with the culture wars over class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction
borne out by the essential sameness of the two political parties in their
prescription for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant world
social force, as its present development projects in Africa and Latin America
show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid ethnocentric mode. Neither
Russia nor China will lie down and play dead to American ambition."


While history doesn't repeat, it does rhyme.

In this case UK in 1930s is similar to USA in 2010s - at
the peak of their empire.

Shame.
ht
Empire? Do we have to give up Ireland and India and South Africa too?


The author notes that world opinion is that the US is a nation in
decline, and IIRC Trump just ran a successful campaign whose slogan drew
directly from that observation.

Standard 2016 internet hyperbolic blather. There's a lot of that going
around.


So. Is America a nation in decline, or is it not a nation in decline?
Trump seems to believe it is. And in a world of such black-and-white
thinking, it certainly can't be both at the same time.

There are many possible definitions of "decline." I think there's too
much pastrami and too little corned beef.

Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.


I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...

Work? Oh, thanks for reminding me.


No, no! You're supposed to say "What have YOU designed today?" Sad


Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:29 am   



On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 3:19:26 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 01:53:09 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s
military and other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in
relative terms, the US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the
tired one, torn by self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the
expense of a deteriorating social safety net and crumbling
infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation with the culture wars over
class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction borne out by the
essential sameness of the two political parties in their prescription
for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant
world social force, as its present development projects in Africa and
Latin America show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid
ethnocentric mode. Neither Russia nor China will lie down and play dead
to American ambition."

What blather. That reads like a bad high-school essay.


Any high-school essayist who wrote that would get excellent marks. The optimism about China as a world social force - it's just another country with a rapacious ruling oligarchy - would probably be forgiven in a high-school student. In the US they are expected to be optimistic about the performance of the rapacious (and well-off) oligarchy that rules the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney


Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:47 am   



On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 01:29:09 UTC, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
Quote:
On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 3:19:26 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 01:53:09 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s
military and other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in
relative terms, the US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the
tired one, torn by self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the
expense of a deteriorating social safety net and crumbling
infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation with the culture wars over
class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction borne out by the
essential sameness of the two political parties in their prescription
for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant
world social force, as its present development projects in Africa and
Latin America show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid
ethnocentric mode. Neither Russia nor China will lie down and play dead
to American ambition."

What blather. That reads like a bad high-school essay.

Any high-school essayist who wrote that would get excellent marks. The optimism about China as a world social force - it's just another country with a rapacious ruling oligarchy - would probably be forgiven in a high-school student. In the US they are expected to be optimistic about the performance of the rapacious (and well-off) oligarchy that rules the US.


The reality is that China has made huge strides in improving wealth & standards of living. Not only has it's mass production brought wealth, but when it comes to poverty it's the one area in the world that has made big improvements.


NT


Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:32 am   



On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:47:30 PM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 01:29:09 UTC, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 3:19:26 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 01:53:09 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s
military and other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in
relative terms, the US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the
tired one, torn by self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the
expense of a deteriorating social safety net and crumbling
infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation with the culture wars over
class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction borne out by the
essential sameness of the two political parties in their prescription
for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant
world social force, as its present development projects in Africa and
Latin America show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid
ethnocentric mode. Neither Russia nor China will lie down and play dead
to American ambition."

What blather. That reads like a bad high-school essay.

Any high-school essayist who wrote that would get excellent marks. The optimism about China as a world social force - it's just another country with a rapacious ruling oligarchy - would probably be forgiven in a high-school student. In the US they are expected to be optimistic about the performance of the rapacious (and well-off) oligarchy that rules the US.

The reality is that China has made huge strides in improving wealth & standards of living. Not only has it's mass production brought wealth, but when it comes to poverty it's the one area in the world that has made big improvements.


So did the US, the UK, France and Germany, at a time when the political process was dominated by a relatively small number of people who had lots of money.

China, like Japan, has exploited the western European economic model to create a more prosperous and productive domestic economy a lot faster than Europe ever did.

Scandianvai and Northern Europe have gone farther in making a tolerably equitable societies. The US is regretably inegalitarian - Gini index 0.45, comparable with China at 0.469 and Russia at 0.42.

Japan has done better with a Gini index of 0.379, though "The Spirit Level" which uses a slightly more complicated metric finds that it does a lot better.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney


Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:08 am   



On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:46:48 PM UTC+11, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:36:40 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 01/08/2017 05:28 PM, krw_at_notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:48:21 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:32:44 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

i
On 01/08/2017 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:58:37 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk_at_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/01/17 06:53, bitrex wrote:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s military and
other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in relative terms, the
US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the tired one, torn by
self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the expense of a deteriorating
social safety net and crumbling infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation
with the culture wars over class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction
borne out by the essential sameness of the two political parties in their
prescription for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant world
social force, as its present development projects in Africa and Latin America
show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid ethnocentric mode. Neither
Russia nor China will lie down and play dead to American ambition.."


While history doesn't repeat, it does rhyme.

In this case UK in 1930s is similar to USA in 2010s - at
the peak of their empire.

Shame.
ht
Empire? Do we have to give up Ireland and India and South Africa too?


The author notes that world opinion is that the US is a nation in
decline, and IIRC Trump just ran a successful campaign whose slogan drew
directly from that observation.

Standard 2016 internet hyperbolic blather. There's a lot of that going
around.


So. Is America a nation in decline, or is it not a nation in decline?
Trump seems to believe it is. And in a world of such black-and-white
thinking, it certainly can't be both at the same time.

There are many possible definitions of "decline." I think there's too
much pastrami and too little corned beef.

Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.


I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Lefties really do make good liars. Lotsa practice.


Krw never lies. He's got lots of silly ideas, but he believes in every last one of them, so that when he posts them here he sincerely - if mistakenly - believes that what he posts is true. He's delusional, but too delusional to qualify as a liar.

Quote:
Time to get back to work, I guess...

Cleaning up mommy's basement?


Probably not. Maybe krw is generalising from his own experience ...

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

John Larkin
Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:30 am   



On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:20:17 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 01/09/2017 12:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:36:40 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 01/08/2017 05:28 PM, krw_at_notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:48:21 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:32:44 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

i
On 01/08/2017 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:58:37 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk_at_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/01/17 06:53, bitrex wrote:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s military and
other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in relative terms, the
US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the tired one, torn by
self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the expense of a deteriorating
social safety net and crumbling infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation
with the culture wars over class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction
borne out by the essential sameness of the two political parties in their
prescription for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant world
social force, as its present development projects in Africa and Latin America
show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid ethnocentric mode. Neither
Russia nor China will lie down and play dead to American ambition."


While history doesn't repeat, it does rhyme.

In this case UK in 1930s is similar to USA in 2010s - at
the peak of their empire.

Shame.
ht
Empire? Do we have to give up Ireland and India and South Africa too?


The author notes that world opinion is that the US is a nation in
decline, and IIRC Trump just ran a successful campaign whose slogan drew
directly from that observation.

Standard 2016 internet hyperbolic blather. There's a lot of that going
around.


So. Is America a nation in decline, or is it not a nation in decline?
Trump seems to believe it is. And in a world of such black-and-white
thinking, it certainly can't be both at the same time.

There are many possible definitions of "decline." I think there's too
much pastrami and too little corned beef.

Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.


I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...

Work? Oh, thanks for reminding me.


No, no! You're supposed to say "What have YOU designed today?" Sad


Well, what?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics


Guest

Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:30 am   



On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:36:40 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 01/08/2017 05:28 PM, krw_at_notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:48:21 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:32:44 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

i
On 01/08/2017 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:58:37 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk_at_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/01/17 06:53, bitrex wrote:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/china-saving-america-from-itself/

"[Trump] underestimates Putin, just as he overestimates America’s military and
other strengths in a multipolar world where, especially in relative terms, the
US is correctly perceived as in decline, itself the tired one, torn by
self-imposed demands for military supremacy at the expense of a deteriorating
social safety net and crumbling infrastructure, and a consuming preoccupation
with the culture wars over class, race, and gender — an emptiness of direction
borne out by the essential sameness of the two political parties in their
prescription for the future.

In that regard, China is everything America is not. It is an ascendant world
social force, as its present development projects in Africa and Latin America
show, rather than ideologically trapped in a rigid ethnocentric mode. Neither
Russia nor China will lie down and play dead to American ambition."


While history doesn't repeat, it does rhyme.

In this case UK in 1930s is similar to USA in 2010s - at
the peak of their empire.

Shame.
ht
Empire? Do we have to give up Ireland and India and South Africa too?


The author notes that world opinion is that the US is a nation in
decline, and IIRC Trump just ran a successful campaign whose slogan drew
directly from that observation.

Standard 2016 internet hyperbolic blather. There's a lot of that going
around.


So. Is America a nation in decline, or is it not a nation in decline?
Trump seems to believe it is. And in a world of such black-and-white
thinking, it certainly can't be both at the same time.

There are many possible definitions of "decline." I think there's too
much pastrami and too little corned beef.

Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.


I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."


Lefties really do make good liars. Lotsa practice.
Quote:

Time to get back to work, I guess...


Cleaning up mommy's basement?


Guest

Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:35 am   



On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 10:25:32 AM UTC+11, M Philbrook wrote:
Quote:
In article <JSPcA.379201$8F2.122365_at_fx42.iad>,
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net says...
Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.

I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...

Making up shit gain? typical Dem.


Jamie, letting lose another another turd into sci.electronics.design.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

M Philbrook
Guest

Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:26 am   



In article <JSPcA.379201$8F2.122365_at_fx42.iad>,
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net says...
Quote:
Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.


I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...



Making up shit gain? typical Dem.


Guest

Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:33 am   



On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:38:30 AM UTC+11, M Philbrook wrote:
Quote:
In article <7d63e60d-f995-4078-b399-f865c7542580_at_googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman_at_ieee.org says...

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 10:25:32 AM UTC+11, M Philbrook wrote:
In article <JSPcA.379201$8F2.122365_at_fx42.iad>,
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net says...
Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.

I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...

Making up shit gain? typical Dem.

Jamie, letting lose another another turd into sci.electronics.design.

You're studdering boy! Having trouble formulating new propaganda
material?

Designed anything lately, or made contributions aimed at making the
world a better place to do electronics?

I don't think we need to wait for that answer.


Jamie's confidence is based on the fact that if I had, he wouldn't have noticed it or recognised it. If you can't recognise the outcome you are asking for, there's no need to wait for that answer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

M Philbrook
Guest

Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:39 am   



In article <7d63e60d-f995-4078-b399-f865c7542580_at_googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman_at_ieee.org says...
Quote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 10:25:32 AM UTC+11, M Philbrook wrote:
In article <JSPcA.379201$8F2.122365_at_fx42.iad>,
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net says...
Oh, we're in decline, alright. I'll point to a whole generation of
Little-Rexes as proof.

I woke up this morning and thought "You know, I've really been slacking
on my plans to destroy America. KRW hasn't even threatened to shoot me
in a week or two. I'd better step it up a level."

Time to get back to work, I guess...

Making up shit gain? typical Dem.

Jamie, letting lose another another turd into sci.electronics.design.


You're studdering boy! Having trouble formulating new propaganda
material?

Designed anything lately, or made contributions aimed at making the
world a better place to do electronics?

I don't think we need to wait for that answer.

Jamie

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