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Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:07 pm   



Gerhard wrote:
Quote:

Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3 volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.


Plugged vents?


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Jim Thompson
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:22 pm   



On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:07:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

Gerhard wrote:

Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3 volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.


Plugged vents?

One of those wonderful "sealed" batteries?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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Democrats are best served up prepared as a hash
Otherwise the dogs won't eat them Smile

Nico Coesel
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:40 pm   



"tm" <the_obamunist_at_whitehouse.gov> wrote:

Quote:

"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283443034.527484_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...

"J.A. Legris" <jalegris_at_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6e1cd7bf-9f51-4534-87bb-d0c89f9f83b9_at_a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 5:53 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Gerhard wrote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

The explosion was due to hydrogen around the battery, plus an
igniting spark.
The presence of hydrogen indicated that the battery had been
(recently) charged.
Some kind of loose connection created that igniting spark on startup.
The car may have been parked for 2 hours, but that hydrogen is
non-mute testimony of the battery had been charged.

How can free hydrogen "around" the battery blow the end panel out? The
over-pressure arose on the inside on the battery. I would second the
opinion that the electrolyte level was low.

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.
--
Joe

I pitched at the scene about 20 mins later with two boxes of baking soda
(250gm each) form the chemist. We pushed the car out of the garage
onto the driveway for a good hose down of the engine compartment.

After I removed the battery, the engine and panels had a thorough hose
down for about 5 to 10 minutes. At one stage, I did sprinkle some baking
soda into some of the areas below and around the battery where I
worried about some ingress of acid into joints. Will pressure spray the
engine compartment from top and bottom over the weekend.
No service centre was involved.

We then proceeded to neutralise the acid pool on the concrete garage
floor.
Use the two boxes plus some we had at home. Moped up the mess
and then washed the area twice using some water and baking soda.

Then I dashed off to the battery shop to get a replacement - just made it
before clossing. Set me back about $100.

The electrolyte level might have been low, but I doubt it. The battery
performed well through cold spells a couple of weeks before.
Bad starting performance is usually the first sign of low electrolyte
levels.

For those interested - location South Africa - temperature was +-20C
Spring has arrived.

Gerhard van den Berg





You might look carefully for a short circuit on the positive lead
to the chassis. That would be my best guess.

I agree. Car batteries may explode when shorted. Maybe its just a
manufacturing defect.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico_at_nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

Jim Thompson
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:48 pm   



On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:30 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

Quote:
"tm" <the_obamunist_at_whitehouse.gov> wrote:


"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283443034.527484_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...

"J.A. Legris" <jalegris_at_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6e1cd7bf-9f51-4534-87bb-d0c89f9f83b9_at_a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 5:53 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Gerhard wrote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

The explosion was due to hydrogen around the battery, plus an
igniting spark.
The presence of hydrogen indicated that the battery had been
(recently) charged.
Some kind of loose connection created that igniting spark on startup.
The car may have been parked for 2 hours, but that hydrogen is
non-mute testimony of the battery had been charged.

How can free hydrogen "around" the battery blow the end panel out? The
over-pressure arose on the inside on the battery. I would second the
opinion that the electrolyte level was low.

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.
--
Joe

I pitched at the scene about 20 mins later with two boxes of baking soda
(250gm each) form the chemist. We pushed the car out of the garage
onto the driveway for a good hose down of the engine compartment.

After I removed the battery, the engine and panels had a thorough hose
down for about 5 to 10 minutes. At one stage, I did sprinkle some baking
soda into some of the areas below and around the battery where I
worried about some ingress of acid into joints. Will pressure spray the
engine compartment from top and bottom over the weekend.
No service centre was involved.

We then proceeded to neutralise the acid pool on the concrete garage
floor.
Use the two boxes plus some we had at home. Moped up the mess
and then washed the area twice using some water and baking soda.

Then I dashed off to the battery shop to get a replacement - just made it
before clossing. Set me back about $100.

The electrolyte level might have been low, but I doubt it. The battery
performed well through cold spells a couple of weeks before.
Bad starting performance is usually the first sign of low electrolyte
levels.

For those interested - location South Africa - temperature was +-20C
Spring has arrived.

Gerhard van den Berg





You might look carefully for a short circuit on the positive lead
to the chassis. That would be my best guess.

I agree. Car batteries may explode when shorted. Maybe its just a
manufacturing defect.

I've had single cell shorts. Gradual failure... slow cranking. No
explosions, ever, and I've been driving for 55 years.

It's possible that the issue is actually starter related... maybe a
shorted starter or solenoid.

That will sure blown a battery apart, not from hydrogen, but simply
steam pressure Smile

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Democrats are best served up prepared as a hash
Otherwise my dogs will refuse to eat them Smile

Jim Thompson
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:55 pm   



On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:48:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:30 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

"tm" <the_obamunist_at_whitehouse.gov> wrote:


"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283443034.527484_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...

"J.A. Legris" <jalegris_at_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6e1cd7bf-9f51-4534-87bb-d0c89f9f83b9_at_a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 5:53 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Gerhard wrote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

The explosion was due to hydrogen around the battery, plus an
igniting spark.
The presence of hydrogen indicated that the battery had been
(recently) charged.
Some kind of loose connection created that igniting spark on startup.
The car may have been parked for 2 hours, but that hydrogen is
non-mute testimony of the battery had been charged.

How can free hydrogen "around" the battery blow the end panel out? The
over-pressure arose on the inside on the battery. I would second the
opinion that the electrolyte level was low.

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.
--
Joe

I pitched at the scene about 20 mins later with two boxes of baking soda
(250gm each) form the chemist. We pushed the car out of the garage
onto the driveway for a good hose down of the engine compartment.

After I removed the battery, the engine and panels had a thorough hose
down for about 5 to 10 minutes. At one stage, I did sprinkle some baking
soda into some of the areas below and around the battery where I
worried about some ingress of acid into joints. Will pressure spray the
engine compartment from top and bottom over the weekend.
No service centre was involved.

We then proceeded to neutralise the acid pool on the concrete garage
floor.
Use the two boxes plus some we had at home. Moped up the mess
and then washed the area twice using some water and baking soda.

Then I dashed off to the battery shop to get a replacement - just made it
before clossing. Set me back about $100.

The electrolyte level might have been low, but I doubt it. The battery
performed well through cold spells a couple of weeks before.
Bad starting performance is usually the first sign of low electrolyte
levels.

For those interested - location South Africa - temperature was +-20C
Spring has arrived.

Gerhard van den Berg





You might look carefully for a short circuit on the positive lead
to the chassis. That would be my best guess.

I agree. Car batteries may explode when shorted. Maybe its just a
manufacturing defect.

I've had single cell shorts. Gradual failure... slow cranking. No
explosions, ever, and I've been driving for 55 years.

It's possible that the issue is actually starter related... maybe a
shorted starter or solenoid.

That will sure blown a battery apart, not from hydrogen, but simply
steam pressure Smile

...Jim Thompson

Actually, I HAVE blown a battery... struck a match to a vent port one
time to demonstrate that, according to a recent Chem 5.001 (MIT, 1959)
lecture, the mix would burn, but not explode.

It blew... I still retain the tinnitus Smile

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Democrats are best served up prepared as a hash
Otherwise my dogs will refuse to eat them Smile

tm
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:03 pm   



"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:bhsv7659ppvp5taig41ipq44p7qbcrjria_at_4ax.com...
Quote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:48:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:30 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

"tm" <the_obamunist_at_whitehouse.gov> wrote:


"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283443034.527484_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...

"J.A. Legris" <jalegris_at_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6e1cd7bf-9f51-4534-87bb-d0c89f9f83b9_at_a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 5:53 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Gerhard wrote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts
is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped
up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

The explosion was due to hydrogen around the battery, plus an
igniting spark.
The presence of hydrogen indicated that the battery had been
(recently) charged.
Some kind of loose connection created that igniting spark on startup.
The car may have been parked for 2 hours, but that hydrogen is
non-mute testimony of the battery had been charged.

How can free hydrogen "around" the battery blow the end panel out? The
over-pressure arose on the inside on the battery. I would second the
opinion that the electrolyte level was low.

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.
--
Joe

I pitched at the scene about 20 mins later with two boxes of baking
soda
(250gm each) form the chemist. We pushed the car out of the garage
onto the driveway for a good hose down of the engine compartment.

After I removed the battery, the engine and panels had a thorough hose
down for about 5 to 10 minutes. At one stage, I did sprinkle some
baking
soda into some of the areas below and around the battery where I
worried about some ingress of acid into joints. Will pressure spray
the
engine compartment from top and bottom over the weekend.
No service centre was involved.

We then proceeded to neutralise the acid pool on the concrete garage
floor.
Use the two boxes plus some we had at home. Moped up the mess
and then washed the area twice using some water and baking soda.

Then I dashed off to the battery shop to get a replacement - just made
it
before clossing. Set me back about $100.

The electrolyte level might have been low, but I doubt it. The battery
performed well through cold spells a couple of weeks before.
Bad starting performance is usually the first sign of low electrolyte
levels.

For those interested - location South Africa - temperature was +-20C
Spring has arrived.

Gerhard van den Berg





You might look carefully for a short circuit on the positive lead
to the chassis. That would be my best guess.

I agree. Car batteries may explode when shorted. Maybe its just a
manufacturing defect.

I've had single cell shorts. Gradual failure... slow cranking. No
explosions, ever, and I've been driving for 55 years.

It's possible that the issue is actually starter related... maybe a
shorted starter or solenoid.

That will sure blown a battery apart, not from hydrogen, but simply
steam pressure :-)

...Jim Thompson

Actually, I HAVE blown a battery... struck a match to a vent port one
time to demonstrate that, according to a recent Chem 5.001 (MIT, 1959)
lecture, the mix would burn, but not explode.

It blew... I still retain the tinnitus :-)


That was preceded with the "hey y'all, watch this" statement, right?

The OP also mentioned that the battery box was non-stock and the battery
was not secure. Maybe it shifted enough to allow the battery to short out.

I any event, a close look is called for.


tm





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Winston
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:38 pm   



On 9/2/2010 10:01 AM, John Fields wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:32:45 -0700, Winston<Winston_at_bigbrother.net
wrote:

On 9/2/2010 7:51 AM, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:16:37 -0700, Winston<Winston_at_bigbrother.net
wrote:

(...)

Quote:
Baking soda (or any base) that inadvertently falls into any
battery cell will tend to neutralize the acid in that cell,
making the battery unsuitable for further use.

---
As I understand it, most battery caps (when tightened down, as they
should be) provide no direct access to the electrolyte.

Modern battery caps don't 'tighten'.
They are ganged, tapered plugs that 'push on', sometimes
perfectly straight.

Screw - type cell caps have been extinct for a very long time.

Look at a modern auto battery:
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/bb/bbdc5178-a8c3-4815-9eaa-b65509a1b713.pdf
The case is shaped in a way that funnels the baking soda
solution *into* the cells.

Quote:
Consequently, baking soda dropped on them will fizz for a while until
the acid on the cap is neutralized, but that's about all.

Yes. Until the battery fails.

Quote:
In addition:

http://www.uwsa.edu/oslp/em/compliance/battery_leadacid.htm

recommends:

"Wash and clean the battery, battery terminals, and case or tray with
water. The corrosive acid can be neutralized by brushing on some
baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution. If the solution does not
bubble, the acid is probably neutralized. Rinse the battery with water
to remove the baking soda solution."

This sage advice was probably written back in the days of
the old 'screw cap' battery, and never corrected as batteries
changed. In the old days, you 'got away with it' because the
shape of the battery top directed the slurry away from the vent
opening in the top the cells:
http://www.lamustang.com/SQLCart/Images/Large/108468.jpg

Over the last few years, it has become clear to me that many
'professionals' provide information that is dangerously
incorrect. Some of them are actually aware that they are doing so.
Some of them actually call themselves 'Doctor'!

But I digress.

With the battery out of the vehicle, it is good and wise to use
a baking soda slurry (and subsequent water rinse) to clean the
vehicle and environs of spilled electrolyte. We agree there.

The battery itself can be rinsed with clear water and the area
that it sat on can be neutralized with baking soda and water.

That approach is safe and economical for any wet cell lead-
acid battery, IMHO.

--Winston

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:48 pm   



Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:07:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:


Gerhard wrote:

Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3 volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.


Plugged vents?

One of those wonderful "sealed" batteries?


Any of them. Even the old screw tops could plug up. The hole was
small to keep things out, and they were easy to plug.

It wasn't that long ago that I was told on this group that 'Car
batteries don't explode'.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:53 pm   



tm wrote:
Quote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:bhsv7659ppvp5taig41ipq44p7qbcrjria_at_4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:48:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:30 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

"tm" <the_obamunist_at_whitehouse.gov> wrote:


"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283443034.527484_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...

"J.A. Legris" <jalegris_at_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6e1cd7bf-9f51-4534-87bb-d0c89f9f83b9_at_a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 5:53 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Gerhard wrote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts
is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped
up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

The explosion was due to hydrogen around the battery, plus an
igniting spark.
The presence of hydrogen indicated that the battery had been
(recently) charged.
Some kind of loose connection created that igniting spark on startup.
The car may have been parked for 2 hours, but that hydrogen is
non-mute testimony of the battery had been charged.

How can free hydrogen "around" the battery blow the end panel out? The
over-pressure arose on the inside on the battery. I would second the
opinion that the electrolyte level was low.

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.
--
Joe

I pitched at the scene about 20 mins later with two boxes of baking
soda
(250gm each) form the chemist. We pushed the car out of the garage
onto the driveway for a good hose down of the engine compartment.

After I removed the battery, the engine and panels had a thorough hose
down for about 5 to 10 minutes. At one stage, I did sprinkle some
baking
soda into some of the areas below and around the battery where I
worried about some ingress of acid into joints. Will pressure spray
the
engine compartment from top and bottom over the weekend.
No service centre was involved.

We then proceeded to neutralise the acid pool on the concrete garage
floor.
Use the two boxes plus some we had at home. Moped up the mess
and then washed the area twice using some water and baking soda.

Then I dashed off to the battery shop to get a replacement - just made
it
before clossing. Set me back about $100.

The electrolyte level might have been low, but I doubt it. The battery
performed well through cold spells a couple of weeks before.
Bad starting performance is usually the first sign of low electrolyte
levels.

For those interested - location South Africa - temperature was +-20C
Spring has arrived.

Gerhard van den Berg





You might look carefully for a short circuit on the positive lead
to the chassis. That would be my best guess.

I agree. Car batteries may explode when shorted. Maybe its just a
manufacturing defect.

I've had single cell shorts. Gradual failure... slow cranking. No
explosions, ever, and I've been driving for 55 years.

It's possible that the issue is actually starter related... maybe a
shorted starter or solenoid.

That will sure blown a battery apart, not from hydrogen, but simply
steam pressure :-)

...Jim Thompson

Actually, I HAVE blown a battery... struck a match to a vent port one
time to demonstrate that, according to a recent Chem 5.001 (MIT, 1959)
lecture, the mix would burn, but not explode.

It blew... I still retain the tinnitus :-)


That was preceded with the "hey y'all, watch this" statement, right?

The OP also mentioned that the battery box was non-stock and the battery
was not secure. Maybe it shifted enough to allow the battery to short out.


After sitting for two hours?


Quote:
I any event, a close look is called for.

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Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:59 pm   



On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:53:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

tm wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:bhsv7659ppvp5taig41ipq44p7qbcrjria_at_4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:48:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:30 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

"tm" <the_obamunist_at_whitehouse.gov> wrote:


"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283443034.527484_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...

"J.A. Legris" <jalegris_at_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6e1cd7bf-9f51-4534-87bb-d0c89f9f83b9_at_a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 5:53 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Gerhard wrote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts
is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped
up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

The explosion was due to hydrogen around the battery, plus an
igniting spark.
The presence of hydrogen indicated that the battery had been
(recently) charged.
Some kind of loose connection created that igniting spark on startup.
The car may have been parked for 2 hours, but that hydrogen is
non-mute testimony of the battery had been charged.

How can free hydrogen "around" the battery blow the end panel out? The
over-pressure arose on the inside on the battery. I would second the
opinion that the electrolyte level was low.

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.
--
Joe

I pitched at the scene about 20 mins later with two boxes of baking
soda
(250gm each) form the chemist. We pushed the car out of the garage
onto the driveway for a good hose down of the engine compartment.

After I removed the battery, the engine and panels had a thorough hose
down for about 5 to 10 minutes. At one stage, I did sprinkle some
baking
soda into some of the areas below and around the battery where I
worried about some ingress of acid into joints. Will pressure spray
the
engine compartment from top and bottom over the weekend.
No service centre was involved.

We then proceeded to neutralise the acid pool on the concrete garage
floor.
Use the two boxes plus some we had at home. Moped up the mess
and then washed the area twice using some water and baking soda.

Then I dashed off to the battery shop to get a replacement - just made
it
before clossing. Set me back about $100.

The electrolyte level might have been low, but I doubt it. The battery
performed well through cold spells a couple of weeks before.
Bad starting performance is usually the first sign of low electrolyte
levels.

For those interested - location South Africa - temperature was +-20C
Spring has arrived.

Gerhard van den Berg





You might look carefully for a short circuit on the positive lead
to the chassis. That would be my best guess.

I agree. Car batteries may explode when shorted. Maybe its just a
manufacturing defect.

I've had single cell shorts. Gradual failure... slow cranking. No
explosions, ever, and I've been driving for 55 years.

It's possible that the issue is actually starter related... maybe a
shorted starter or solenoid.

That will sure blown a battery apart, not from hydrogen, but simply
steam pressure :-)

...Jim Thompson

Actually, I HAVE blown a battery... struck a match to a vent port one
time to demonstrate that, according to a recent Chem 5.001 (MIT, 1959)
lecture, the mix would burn, but not explode.

It blew... I still retain the tinnitus :-)


That was preceded with the "hey y'all, watch this" statement, right?

The OP also mentioned that the battery box was non-stock and the battery
was not secure. Maybe it shifted enough to allow the battery to short out.


After sitting for two hours?


I any event, a close look is called for.

tm

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Wasn't it stated it blew during a start attempt?

...Jim Thompson
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Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:09 pm   



On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:55:53 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Quote:
Actually, I HAVE blown a battery... struck a match to a vent port one
time to demonstrate that, according to a recent Chem 5.001 (MIT, 1959)
lecture, the mix would burn, but not explode.

It blew... I still retain the tinnitus Smile

...Jim Thompson
---

In a sulfuric acid electrolyte the electrolysis reaction goes as:
2H2O(l) -> 2H2(g) + O2(g), so with the gases enclosed in a cell, you
lit off a Brown's gas bomb with a _very_ short fuse!

---
JF

Adrian Jansen
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:14 pm   



On 3/9/2010 12:53 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:16:37 -0700, Winston<Winston_at_bigbrother.net
wrote:

On 9/2/2010 5:27 AM, J.A. Legris wrote:

(...)

By the way, did anyone bother to neutralize the spilled acid inside
the engine compartment? All surfaces were possibly contaminated. Rinse
them with water, then a baking soda/water solution and then more water
to prevent widespread corrosion. Don't trust the service guys to do it
- they don't have any baking soda.

But keep the baking soda *away* from your nice new battery!

--Winston

Bottles of "soda water" work nicely, and leave little residue.

...Jim Thompson

If by "soda water" you mean the fizzy drinkable stuff, then you should
be aware that it is mostly water containing carbon dioxide under ( low )
pressure. That is a weak acid, and not terribly useful in neutralising
another acid.

--
Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.

Martin Riddle
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:14 pm   



"Gerhard" <gvdberg_at_risccsir.co.za> wrote in message
news:1283416441.781357_at_vasbyt.isdsl.net...
Quote:
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3
volts -
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is
quite OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg



Many years ago I had a battery blow its top. Blew when I turned the
key. Most likely there was a broken connection to the plates that
ignited the hydrogen in the top of the battery.
Just the top plastic was all shattered, There was a nice PoooPhhh and
some white smoke. Fun removing it.

Cheers

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:35 pm   



Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:

Wasn't it stated it blew during a start attempt?


Not that I can see in the original post:


-----------------------------------------
Yesterday my wife's Toyota Corolla had a battery moment.

When she started the car, after it had been parked it for about two
hours,
there was a loud explosion.

The results of the battery's side splitting event can be viewed at

ftp://ftp.meraka.csir.co.za/pub/in/Battery_Explode/

The battery centre suggested it was possibly over charged. After I
installed
the
new battery I measured a charging voltage of between 14.2 and 14.3 volts
-
depending on the engine refs.

According to my knowledge a charging voltage of 14.2 to 14.3 volts is
quite
OK
for a charged car battery.

Any suggestions why the battery exploded.
The battery showed no signs of failing before the event, so I doubt
that the battery level was low as someone suggested. I also topped up
the
battery with distilled water about 3 months ago.

Regards

Gerhard van den Berg

-----------------------------------------


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enough left over to pay them.

Winston
Guest

Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:51 pm   



On 9/2/2010 3:14 PM, Adrian Jansen wrote:

(...)

Quote:
If by "soda water" you mean the fizzy drinkable stuff, then you should be aware that it is mostly water containing carbon dioxide under ( low ) pressure. That is a weak acid, and not terribly useful in neutralising another acid.

OTOH, tap water with a pH of 6 to 8 is much more neutral.
Effective, plentiful and cheap.
Pick any three. :)

--Winston

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