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Jim Thompson
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Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:19 pm
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:21:00 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik_at_abuse.gov>
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Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:47:06 -0700, hamilton <hamilton_at_nothere.com
wrote:
On 1/22/2012 6:32 PM, miso wrote:
You realize of course no citizen militia can fight the DoD. The notion
that we can beat back the government is a pure fairytale. What we need
to do is get rid of one of the neocons on the Supreme Court, then start
to enforce clean government legislation. "Citizens United" is a clear
example of how five activist judges can destroy a nation.
"Neocon"s are conservatives and "activist judges" are Liberials
I'm so confused
miso is a soupy leftist ;-)
...Jim Thompson
miso is a killfile candidate.
news:vosqh79h1vvo4g6lhm00oe6v7p2pte384u_at_4ax.com:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:47:06 -0700, hamilton <hamilton_at_nothere.com
wrote:
On 1/22/2012 6:32 PM, miso wrote:
You realize of course no citizen militia can fight the DoD. The notion
that we can beat back the government is a pure fairytale. What we need
to do is get rid of one of the neocons on the Supreme Court, then start
to enforce clean government legislation. "Citizens United" is a clear
example of how five activist judges can destroy a nation.
"Neocon"s are conservatives and "activist judges" are Liberials
I'm so confused
miso is a soupy leftist ;-)
...Jim Thompson
miso is a killfile candidate.
He's already in mine.
We need to shoot all these people before they take our guns away
...Jim Thompson
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Michael A. Terrell
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:51 pm
dagmargoodboat_at_yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
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Michael A. Terrell
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:52 pm
miso wrote:
Quote:
On 1/20/2012 9:27 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
? Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
? individuals the right to bear arms.
Well regulated militia
Well regulated militia
Well regulated militia
Well regulated militia
Capiche?
Of course they need to be well regulated. A militia with diarrhea is
useless.
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Bill Sloman
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:48 am
On Jan 27, 8:51 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Quote:
dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
What difference would it make? You've already got any number of
terminally stupid right wing nuts running around armed to the teeth.
Statistically speaking, they are more likely to kill themselves than
anybody else, but not often enough that it offers any real prospect of
immediate improvement in the collective genome.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:31 am
On Jan 21, 12:01 am, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 1/20/2012 9:41 PM, Les Cargill wrote:> Robert Baer wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fE-F7VIvYfk/Sa_jW-KsVcI/AAAAAAAABGc/4lKQs3u...
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Les Cargill
Some people don't understand the founding fathers. The last thing they
wanted was a standing army. Hence they wanted a well regulated militia.
The 2nd amendment grants the national guard the right to exist. It is
not an individual right.
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fE-F7VIvYfk/Sa_jW-KsVcI/AAAAAAAABGc/4lKQs3u...
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Les Cargill
Some people don't understand the founding fathers. The last thing they
wanted was a standing army. Hence they wanted a well regulated militia.
The 2nd amendment grants the national guard the right to exist. It is
not an individual right.
What right IS an individual right and why?
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:31 am
On Jan 21, 3:28 pm, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 1/21/2012 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:27 am, Robert Baer<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
Makes no difference what he thinks. "In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme
Court issued two Second Amendment decisions. In District of Columbia
v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects
an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in
a militia." This pretty much makes it a moot point until such time as
the Constituion is changed.
Actually the need is to change this activist court dominated by 5 far
right extremists that constantly change settled law. Hopefully in the
2nd Obama term we can replace one of those wingnuts and restore sanity.
On Jan 21, 12:27 am, Robert Baer<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
Makes no difference what he thinks. "In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme
Court issued two Second Amendment decisions. In District of Columbia
v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects
an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in
a militia." This pretty much makes it a moot point until such time as
the Constituion is changed.
Actually the need is to change this activist court dominated by 5 far
right extremists that constantly change settled law. Hopefully in the
2nd Obama term we can replace one of those wingnuts and restore sanity.
Simply put you are smoking or otherwise ingesting powerful
hallucinogens.
In the event Obumble wins in November he will likely face a GOP
House AND Senate. He will have to throw AG Holder and probably others
under the bus or be impeached.
"Fast and Furious" and all that.
josephkk
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:19 am
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:19:27 -0800 (PST), rrusston_at_hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 21, 3:28 pm, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
On 1/21/2012 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:27 am, Robert Baer<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
Makes no difference what he thinks. "In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme
Court issued two Second Amendment decisions. In District of Columbia
v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects
an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in
a militia." This pretty much makes it a moot point until such time as
the Constituion is changed.
Actually the need is to change this activist court dominated by 5 far
right extremists that constantly change settled law. Hopefully in the
2nd Obama term we can replace one of those wingnuts and restore sanity.
Simply put you are smoking or otherwise ingesting powerful
hallucinogens.
In the event Obumble wins in November he will likely face a GOP
House AND Senate. He will have to throw AG Holder and probably others
under the bus or be impeached.
"Fast and Furious" and all that.
On 1/21/2012 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:27 am, Robert Baer<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
Makes no difference what he thinks. "In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme
Court issued two Second Amendment decisions. In District of Columbia
v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects
an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in
a militia." This pretty much makes it a moot point until such time as
the Constituion is changed.
Actually the need is to change this activist court dominated by 5 far
right extremists that constantly change settled law. Hopefully in the
2nd Obama term we can replace one of those wingnuts and restore sanity.
Simply put you are smoking or otherwise ingesting powerful
hallucinogens.
In the event Obumble wins in November he will likely face a GOP
House AND Senate. He will have to throw AG Holder and probably others
under the bus or be impeached.
"Fast and Furious" and all that.
We should be so lucky.
?-/
nuny@bid.nes
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:07 am
On Jan 27, 6:19 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 21, 3:28 pm, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
On 1/21/2012 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:27 am, Robert Baer<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
On 1/21/2012 7:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:27 am, Robert Baer<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:
Attorney General Eric Holder does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives
individuals the right to bear arms.
I liked miso's attempt at marginalization-of-source. Shows
desperation.
http://www.gurapossessky.com/news/parker/documents/BriefforFormerDOJOfficialsasAmiciCuriae.pdf
Note the list in the Appendix; Reno, Katzenbach, Holder, and the
rest of the usual suspects.
Quote:
Makes no difference what he thinks. "In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme
Court issued two Second Amendment decisions. In District of Columbia
v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects
an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in
a militia." This pretty much makes it a moot point until such time as
the Constituion is changed.
Court issued two Second Amendment decisions. In District of Columbia
v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects
an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in
a militia." This pretty much makes it a moot point until such time as
the Constituion is changed.
It is undeniably an individual right to keep and bear arms. Who are
"the people" whose "right... shall not be infringed"? Why, "we, the
people" of course.
Quote:
Actually the need is to change this activist court dominated by 5 far
right extremists that constantly change settled law. Hopefully in the
2nd Obama term we can replace one of those wingnuts and restore sanity.
right extremists that constantly change settled law. Hopefully in the
2nd Obama term we can replace one of those wingnuts and restore sanity.
You are an ass. SCOTUS is *designed* to be activist. If it weren't
it wouldn't be an effective Check or Balance on the other two branches
which are *certainly* activist.
Also noted is your specific choice of when law is "settled" and what
"sanity" is. Reminds me of Extreme Greens selecting the climate during
the decade immediately following the eruption of Krakatoa as the
global norm.
Quote:
Simply put you are smoking or otherwise ingesting powerful
hallucinogens.
hallucinogens.
Not necessarily.
In case I haven't previously made it crystal clear in past posts, I
am, and have been since age twelve, a pothead. I've also had
considerable experience with "serious" hallucinogens.
I didn't do this lightly; I was ADHD long before it was "cool".
Without pot I wouldn't have been able to focus sufficiently to
graduate high school, the one thing my mother ever *asked* me to
accomplish. I didn't find out until later that she was dying of cancer
at the time, but she knew.
I do not see a disconnect between my personal choice to experiment
with drugs and my personal choice to keep and bear arms. Both are
quite dangerous, and like anything with such potential, in order to
understand their potential risks *and benefits* one ought seek out as
direct personal experience with them as is feasible before making
judgements. These are not party tools or toys; they're somber
responsibilities. No, I don't advise anyone shoot themselves in order
to grok that bullets hurt, nor do I advocate everyone try LSD. A
little time on the firing range wouldn't hurt anyone though.
No drugs are needed to explain miso's position; he is hooked on
Liberalism.
Quote:
In the event Obumble wins in November he will likely face a GOP
House AND Senate. He will have to throw AG Holder and probably others
under the bus or be impeached.
House AND Senate. He will have to throw AG Holder and probably others
under the bus or be impeached.
Yeah, just like Janet Reno was. Oh, wait...
Quote:
"Fast and Furious" and all that.
I won't be surprised if "somebody" tries to take Sheriff Joe out
before his investigation into that mess is completed.
Mark L. Fergerson
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:45 pm
On Jan 27, 2:51 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Quote:
dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
A generation of schools hasn't taught the People the basic civics they
need to intelligently participate in a government of the People. So
instead we get "Yes We Can!" from people who can't, and shouldn't.
miso started off thinking other people, believing in an individual
right, don't understand the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
Hopefully we've rectified that. That's a start. We need more of
that.
Talking about this stuff is very healthy--that's the road to recovery.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Bill Sloman
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:21 am
On Jan 28, 7:45 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 27, 2:51 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
A generation of schools hasn't taught the People the basic civics they
need to intelligently participate in a government of the People.
wrote:
dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
In the Federalist Papers, the guys who wrote the Constitution said no
king would dare invade us, because the citizens would all have guns.
In another section they wrote that the federal gov't would never get
out of control, for the same reason.
For example, in Federalist 46, Madison says that a conquering army of
federal troops would be met by 25% of the citizenry, under arms,
preventing such an assault.
Obviously, they meant that citizens be armed, otherwise 25% opposing
would be 1,000% impossible.
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
A generation of schools hasn't taught the People the basic civics they
need to intelligently participate in a government of the People.
For one think, they haven't taught the students that the US
constitution is to political organisation what MS/DOS is to operating
systems.
Quote:
So
instead we get "Yes We Can!" from people who can't, and shouldn't.
instead we get "Yes We Can!" from people who can't, and shouldn't.
A slightly partisan observation. Obama got his political education at
Harvard and did rather well.
George W Bush went to the Harvard Business School and clearly failed
to learn enough to allow him to intelligently participate in a
government of the People.
Quote:
miso started off thinking other people, believing in an individual
right, don't understand the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
right, don't understand the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
Not the way Jim Yanik would like them to understand it.
Quote:
Hopefully we've rectified that.
Probably not.
Quote:
That's a start. We need more of that.
Unrealistic optimism about promoting right wing nuttery? The current
Republican campaign about which right-wing loony deserves the right to
go down in flames against Barack Obama should have made it clear that
competing to be more of a right-wing idiot than the next candidate is
a poor way to appeal to the majority of voters, even if it is vital to
get the votes of registered Republicans..
Quote:
Talking about this stuff is very healthy--that's the road to recovery.
But you've got a very long way to go.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:08 pm
Quote:
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
A generation of schools hasn't taught the People the basic civics they
need to intelligently participate in a government of the People.
For one think, they haven't taught the students that the US
constitution is to political organisation what MS/DOS is to operating
systems.
MS-DOS wasn't an operating system, it was a program loader with
delusions of glory.
But if you believe that the Constitution is so flawed, in the way you
appear to suggest, then we simply aren't going to be able to
communicate. Our foundational views of the rights and
responsibilities, of the appropriate scope, of government are simply
too different. My views are founded in something that for you does not
exist.
josephkk
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:47 am
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:08:57 -0800 (PST), rrusston_at_hotmail.com wrote:
Quote:
miso's stance is that the citizens be disarmed, and the federal gov't
armed--exactly the scenario the Founders abhorred.
Would you want someone like Miso to be armed and stupid?
A generation of schools hasn't taught the People the basic civics they
need to intelligently participate in a government of the People.
For one think, they haven't taught the students that the US
constitution is to political organisation what MS/DOS is to operating
systems.
MS-DOS wasn't an operating system, it was a program loader with
delusions of glory.
But if you believe that the Constitution is so flawed, in the way you
appear to suggest, then we simply aren't going to be able to
communicate. Our foundational views of the rights and
responsibilities, of the appropriate scope, of government are simply
too different. My views are founded in something that for you does not
exist.
You are new here aren't you. James is a pretty rugged Constitutionalist,
you seem to have misread his analogy.
?-)
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