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John Doe
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:45 am   



Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

boB
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:45 am   



On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Ricky C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use now or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.


Some of the Maker places have these you can use. They're closed now
though I'd bet

Our company has had a few 3D printers over the years and they have
paid for theselves many times over I think.

I know that if I had one at home I would not get much else done.
Same would be if I had a drone so I guess I will just wait a while.

$500 is pretty cheap !

Ricky C
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:45 am   



On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Quote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.


What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use now or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.

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TTman
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:45 am   



On 23/04/2020 06:03, boB wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Ricky C
gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use now or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.


Some of the Maker places have these you can use. They're closed now
though I'd bet

Our company has had a few 3D printers over the years and they have
paid for theselves many times over I think.

I know that if I had one at home I would not get much else done.
Same would be if I had a drone so I guess I will just wait a while.

$500 is pretty cheap !


The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash guards..
One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials being
crowdfunded.

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Martin Brown
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:45 am   



On 23/04/2020 00:40, John Doe wrote:
Quote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?


Depends a bit what you want to do with it. You can often find better
models available at shared facilities like libraries or hackspaces. The
latter sometimes also having CNC laser cutters and other neat stuff.

If you have a need for small batches of plastic bits then it might make
sense to own one. Myself I call in the occasional favour from a friend
who has a Da Vinci (which can also 3D scan - sort of).

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Ricky C
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:45 am   



On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:51:08 AM UTC-4, TTman wrote:
Quote:
On 23/04/2020 06:03, boB wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Ricky C
gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use now or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.


Some of the Maker places have these you can use. They're closed now
though I'd bet

Our company has had a few 3D printers over the years and they have
paid for theselves many times over I think.

I know that if I had one at home I would not get much else done.
Same would be if I had a drone so I guess I will just wait a while.

$500 is pretty cheap !


The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash guards..
One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials being
crowdfunded.


I can't figure out how a 3D printer helps make splash guards. A kayak factory in Kentucky (Lightning I think) is making face guards. They are a flexible band with a sponge foam block attached at pivot points to a clear plastic sheet. What part of that can be printed? Seems like it is all pretty simple to make by standard means and a whole lot more cost effective and in much higher volumes.

Are we still having PPE problems? I thought Trump fixed that with a wave of the pen aimed at 3M? Did Trump forget to wave his pen at some other companies???

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Martin Brown
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:45 pm   



On 23/04/2020 11:35, Ricky C wrote:
Quote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:51:08 AM UTC-4, TTman wrote:

The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash
guards.. One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials
being crowdfunded.

I can't figure out how a 3D printer helps make splash guards. A
kayak factory in Kentucky (Lightning I think) is making face guards.


They are constructing the plastic head bands that the cut to size visor
is then clipped on to. Strikes me as a very slow way to do it.

Quote:
They are a flexible band with a sponge foam block attached at pivot
points to a clear plastic sheet. What part of that can be printed?
Seems like it is all pretty simple to make by standard means and a
whole lot more cost effective and in much higher volumes.


They could be but in the UK at least the government has made a complete
hash of obtaining PPE. Like sending a single 40T transport plane to pick
up 80T of equipment promised here for Sunday finally arriving yesterday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52378491

Then they "forgot" to join an EU wide purchasing scheme that was either
a political decision (or hours later not) according to a senior civil
servant who later had to recant his testimony to a select committee.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52369916

I know who I believe and it isn't our politicians.

Quote:
Are we still having PPE problems? I thought Trump fixed that with a
wave of the pen aimed at 3M? Did Trump forget to wave his pen at
some other companies???


There is global shortage of PPE and chemicals needed for tests. It was a
niche business with limited supply capacity until the pandemic struck.

Various cottage industries have sprung up to backfill some of the gaps.

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Lasse Langwadt Christense
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:45 pm   



torsdag den 23. april 2020 kl. 12.35.22 UTC+2 skrev Ricky C:
Quote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:51:08 AM UTC-4, TTman wrote:
On 23/04/2020 06:03, boB wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Ricky C
gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use now or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.


Some of the Maker places have these you can use. They're closed now
though I'd bet

Our company has had a few 3D printers over the years and they have
paid for theselves many times over I think.

I know that if I had one at home I would not get much else done.
Same would be if I had a drone so I guess I will just wait a while.

$500 is pretty cheap !


The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash guards..
One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials being
crowdfunded.

I can't figure out how a 3D printer helps make splash guards. A kayak factory in Kentucky (Lightning I think) is making face guards. They are a flexible band with a sponge foam block attached at pivot points to a clear plastic sheet. What part of that can be printed? Seems like it is all pretty simple to make by standard means and a whole lot more cost effective and in much higher volumes.


this is one design, https://youtu.be/7tQUZfVYfbE

the shield itself I think is transparencies normally used for overhead projectors

John Doe
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:45 pm   



Incessant off-topic troll...

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On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:51:08 AM UTC-4, TTman wrote:
On 23/04/2020 06:03, boB wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Ricky C
gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plasti
c
now. Or not?

Thanks.

What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having
one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use n
ow or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.


Some of the Maker places have these you can use. They're closed now
though I'd bet

Our company has had a few 3D printers over the years and they have
paid for theselves many times over I think.

I know that if I had one at home I would not get much else done.
Same would be if I had a drone so I guess I will just wait a while.

$500 is pretty cheap !


The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash guards..
One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials being
crowdfunded.

I can't figure out how a 3D printer helps make splash guards. A kayak factory in Kentucky (Lightning I think) is making face guards. They are a flexible band with a sponge foam block attached at pivot points to a clear plastic sheet. What part of that can be printed? Seems like it is all pretty simple to make by standard means and a whole lot more cost effective and in much higher volumes.

Are we still having PPE problems? I thought Trump fixed that with a wave of the pen aimed at 3M? Did Trump forget to wave his pen at some other companies???

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Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:45 pm   



John Doe <always.look_at_message.header> wrote in news:r7s24j$r5b$2
@dont-email.me:

Quote:
Incessant off-topic troll...


Plenty of folks making their own 3D printers, so it kinda is on
topic here.

The thing that is LAME here is posts that are zero content foinger
pointing childish baby bullshit.

You have something on topic or on the topic of a post thread to say
then say it.

This stupid shit, however, is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. Do you know that
word?

"always look at header"? NO. Always stay shutted the fuck up
unless you can add civil, productive information to a thread.

So for you that is most of the time. But the netgroup cop stupid
shit... yeah... that shit went out of vogue two decades ago, boy.
Where the fuck you been... up Trump's ass?

TTman
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:45 pm   



On 23/04/2020 12:05, Martin Brown wrote:
Quote:
On 23/04/2020 11:35, Ricky C wrote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:51:08 AM UTC-4, TTman wrote:

The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash
guards.. One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials
being crowdfunded.

I can't figure out how a 3D printer helps make splash guards.  A
kayak factory in Kentucky (Lightning I think) is making face guards.

They are constructing the plastic head bands that the cut to size visor
is then clipped on to. Strikes me as a very slow way to do it.

They are a flexible band with a sponge foam block attached at pivot
points to a clear plastic sheet.  What part of that can be printed?
Seems like it is all pretty simple to make by standard means and a
whole lot more cost effective and in much higher volumes.

They could be but in the UK at least the government has made a complete
hash of obtaining PPE. Like sending a single 40T transport plane to pick
up 80T of equipment promised here for Sunday finally arriving yesterday.


Probably because there was only 40T to pick up... or maybe just 20T.
Lies,lies,lies. Just like we're going to do 100K tests a week or is it a
day? or a month even?.
Still, I think the bullshit here smells slightly sweater than the
bullshit from Trump.Just my feeling, no arguments please.

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Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:45 pm   



On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 23:40:17 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<always.look_at_message.header> wrote:

Quote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.


Aren't they slow? I've read of interesting shaped parts taking days to
print.



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Ricky C
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 pm   



On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:12:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 23:40:17 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look_at_message.header> wrote:

Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

Aren't they slow? I've read of interesting shaped parts taking days to
print.


Not sure what you've heard. Something like the visor bracket would take some time, but not ridiculous amounts like days. For the most part construction time is related to the amount of material required.

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Ricky C
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 pm   



On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 7:03:39 AM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
Quote:
torsdag den 23. april 2020 kl. 12.35.22 UTC+2 skrev Ricky C:
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:51:08 AM UTC-4, TTman wrote:
On 23/04/2020 06:03, boB wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Ricky C
gnuarm.deletethisbit_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

What would you like to make with a 3D printer? I've considered having one, but I think it would sit 99.9% of the time. Kinda like having my own PCB assembly equipment.

Doesn't one of the shipping store companies have 3D printers for use now or did that not pan out? It sounded like a good idea, but I recall they charged by the time or weight of material and could not give you a price until it was done.


Some of the Maker places have these you can use. They're closed now
though I'd bet

Our company has had a few 3D printers over the years and they have
paid for theselves many times over I think.

I know that if I had one at home I would not get much else done.
Same would be if I had a drone so I guess I will just wait a while.

$500 is pretty cheap !


The UK is awash with people/schools/ etc. making face splash guards..
One guy on the Isle of Wight has made over 1000, materials being
crowdfunded.

I can't figure out how a 3D printer helps make splash guards. A kayak factory in Kentucky (Lightning I think) is making face guards. They are a flexible band with a sponge foam block attached at pivot points to a clear plastic sheet. What part of that can be printed? Seems like it is all pretty simple to make by standard means and a whole lot more cost effective and in much higher volumes.


this is one design, https://youtu.be/7tQUZfVYfbE

the shield itself I think is transparencies normally used for overhead projectors


I suppose the pink parts are 3D printed?

Yeah, that shield seemed like it was much thicker than a transparency foil and can you still buy those??? Who has overhead projectors??? I get mocked if I use "Viewgraph" to describe a presentation for PowerPoint.

Still, any company making the pink part is going to be pumping out so many, even a thousand 3D printers will be like spitting into the wind. Hmmm.... maybe that's not quite the right analogy, but I hope you get my point.

A friend worked in a plant making non-dairy creamer. They had a pretty large machine from Bosch that molded the plastic cups, filled them with creamer, covered it with a thin plastic cover and separated the cups, all in about 5 seconds which produced 96 cups if my memory is correct. This machine made creamers for most of the East coast. Oddly, they filled fairly small boxes that probably held maybe 200-300. I guess a lot of locations don't want big, honkin' boxes of single serve creamers.

It would be a bit silly to try to have someone doing this by hand. But I guess the machine that builds that machine doesn't produce so many, so it's not easy to ramp up. So hand made face shields are warranted for a while. All because we have imbeciles responsible for "running the country" who have no idea how to motivate production or remove interference. Instead they motivate interference and remove production.

If I'm alive in five or ten years I'm sure there will be books written with an accurate assessment of what we did right and wrong. I wonder if there will be another pandemic before we figure out all that.

In the short term I'm sure there will be plenty of books and papers written, but they are likely to get a lot wrong. Often it takes time to sort out the reality from the reactions.

Who knows? Maybe Larkin will be right and this was all a major overreaction to a seasonal cold/flu and nearly no one would have died had we just let things resolve themselves and "burn out". But wouldn't the burn out have happened independent of our actions and killed at least as many as we are seeing even *with* our actions?

I see the US active cases are up another 30,000 or so and deaths are up another 2,300. No real indication this thing is even considering burning itself out. I wish it would hurry up, dammit! Not that I need a haircut.

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Lasse Langwadt Christense
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:45 pm   



torsdag den 23. april 2020 kl. 20.13.18 UTC+2 skrev Ricky C:
Quote:
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:12:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 23:40:17 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look_at_message.header> wrote:

Seems many 3-D printers in the $500-$750 (US) range can do ABS plastic
now. Or not?

Thanks.

Aren't they slow? I've read of interesting shaped parts taking days to
print.

Not sure what you've heard. Something like the visor bracket would take some time, but not ridiculous amounts like days. For the most part construction time is related to the amount of material required.


I as far as I can tell it takes about an hour to print the visor bracket,
in contract to that I saw some factory with a single injection molding machine is making 5000 similar brackets a day

It seems mostly like a mental exercise, people like to feel they are doing
something

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