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Rich Grise on Google grou
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:53 am   



Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you. The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Cheers!
Rich

Sylvia Else
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:53 am   



On 10/03/2010 10:53 AM, Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
Quote:
Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you. The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Cheers!
Rich

And if you're carrying the components of a binary explosive which are
individually not explosive?

Sylvia.

mpm
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:31 am   



On Mar 9, 6:57 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
Quote:
On 10/03/2010 10:53 AM, Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:





Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you  can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you.  The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Cheers!
Rich

And if you're carrying the components of a binary explosive which are
individually not explosive?

Sylvia.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In that case, it's just a win (not a win-win) situation.
-mpm

Martin Brown
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:34 am   



JeffM wrote:
Quote:

Although that is true there are other things that would get through. In
more innocent days I have known people who carried things that most
definitely should never have been on an aircraft in their hand luggage.

The problem is that the enemy has the advantage of knowing what
characteristics of hostile compounds we are looking for.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:34 am   



Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
Quote:
Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you. The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.


It would also kill anyone with a pacemaker.

Quote:
Good American ingenuity.

Old hat. It has already been done for anti-terrorist work.
Why do you think some terrorist bombs detonate prematurely?

Regards,
Martin Brown

Sylvia Else
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:03 am   



On 10/03/2010 7:04 PM, JeffM wrote:
Quote:

Ex hypothesi, you're carrying the components of a binary explosive. You
are therefore not harmless. The fact that some suggested methods of
constructing binary explosives wouldn't work has no bearing on the matter.

Sylvia.

JeffM
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:04 am   



Sylvia Else wrote:
Quote:
And if you're carrying the components of a binary explosive
which are individually not explosive?

....then you are harmless.

Thomas C. Greene covered this part of Security Theatre in 2006.
It's amazing how many people still repeat this nonsense.
http://google.com/search?q=cache:63mnG_uzEYcJ:www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs+drop.by.drop+*-gel-packs+*-*-*-hours+*-peroxide+acetone+*-*-*-*.*-*-*-*-manage-*-*-*-*-*+*-enough-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+an-infidel-*-*+*-*.*-*-*-*.*-*-*-*.*-*-*-*-dropper+sulfuric.acid+*-constantly+*-chiller+*-*-*-*-hour-*-*+concentrated+fumes+*-*-*-simple-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+*-myth-*-*-*-*-*-*+several.trips&strip=1#main-content
http://tinyurl.com/TheBinaryLiquidExplosivesMyth
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/#main-content

Bill Sloman
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:52 pm   



On Mar 10, 12:53 am, Rich Grise on Google groups
<richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you  can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you.  The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix
together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that
every manager can come up with.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

petrus bitbyter
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:01 pm   



"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> schreef in bericht
news:e3332bb9-5e52-432f-883c-fc96106cdd55_at_q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 10, 12:53 am, Rich Grise on Google groups
<richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you. The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix
together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that
every manager can come up with.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

petrus bitbyter
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:02 pm   



"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> schreef in bericht
news:e3332bb9-5e52-432f-883c-fc96106cdd55_at_q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 10, 12:53 am, Rich Grise on Google groups
<richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you. The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix
together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that
every manager can come up with.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Yea, managers seldom have real solutions.

petrus bitbyter

petrus bitbyter
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:04 pm   



"petrus bitbyter" <pieterkraltlaatditweg_at_enditookhccnet.nl> schreef in
bericht news:4b977c57$0$21964$e4fe514c_at_dreader30.news.xs4all.nl...
Quote:

"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> schreef in bericht
news:e3332bb9-5e52-432f-883c-fc96106cdd55_at_q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 10, 12:53 am, Rich Grise on Google groups
richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you. The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix
together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that
every manager can come up with.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Yea, managers seldom have real solutions.

petrus bitbyter


:)

petrus bitbyter

Bill Sloman
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:22 pm   



On Mar 10, 3:02 am, mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 9, 6:57 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:



On 10/03/2010 10:53 AM, Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:

Received in the email:
--------------------------------------
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have
a booth that you  can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you.  The chamber could
be reinforced sufficiently to withstand a blast, but just getting the
word out should take care of the problem. Absolutely no repeat
offenders, no lodging terrorists in prisons, no expensive trials, and
this solution would be cheaper to install in airports around the
world.

This would be a win-win for everyone.

Good American ingenuity.
---------------------------------------

Cheers!
Rich

And if you're carrying the components of a binary explosive which are
individually not explosive?

Sylvia.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In that case, it's just a win (not a win-win) situation.

Where's the win? Terrorist gets on aircraft, makes up explosive
mixture and sets it off. Strikes me that everybody, with the possible
exception of the terrorist's organisation, come out behind the game.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:48 am   



Martin Brown wrote:
Quote:

Old hat. It has already been done for anti-terrorist work.
Why do you think some terrorist bombs detonate prematurely?


Too much Viagra, of course.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Robert Baer
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:48 am   



JeffM wrote:
Quote:

ONE (with a stutter).
There are some hypergolic liquids that are spectacular when put together.
Hydrazine and IRFNA, and (get this!) oxygen and hydrogen (and results
are super-green so environmentalist APPROVED).
I am sure there are other combinations but i am not an explosive
expert, just some dumb heresy (oops--hearsay).

Robert Baer
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:51 am   



Martin Brown wrote:
Quote:
JeffM wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
And if you're carrying the components of a binary explosive
which are individually not explosive?

...then you are harmless.
Thomas C. Greene covered this part of Security Theatre in 2006.
It's amazing how many people still repeat this nonsense.
http://google.com/search?q=cache:63mnG_uzEYcJ:www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs+drop.by.drop+*-gel-packs+*-*-*-hours+*-peroxide+acetone+*-*-*-*.*-*-*-*-manage-*-*-*-*-*+*-enough-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+an-infidel-*-*+*-*.*-*-*-*.*-*-*-*.*-*-*-*-dropper+sulfuric.acid+*-constantly+*-chiller+*-*-*-*-hour-*-*+concentrated+fumes+*-*-*-simple-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+*-myth-*-*-*-*-*-*+several.trips&strip=1#main-content

http://tinyurl.com/TheBinaryLiquidExplosivesMyth
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/#main-content


Although that is true there are other things that would get through. In
more innocent days I have known people who carried things that most
definitely should never have been on an aircraft in their hand luggage.

The problem is that the enemy has the advantage of knowing what
characteristics of hostile compounds we are looking for.

Regards,
Martin Brown
Yes; there are explosives that use NO nitrogen, but the em-Fa-sis is

totally on the sil-abble of of nitrogen.

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