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Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:40 pm
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:04:45 +1000, atec77 <atec77_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
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On 15/08/2010 2:57 AM, Neil Gerace wrote:
There's nothing in favour of letting the government build a network. The
last time that happened, we got the PMG and then Telecom. Yuck!
I wouldn't mind a slightly higher speed , I really want more data and a
price reduction
I think the comfortably well off will freely pay for high definition
video phones and down loading of movies.
Profitable companies will likewise freely use video conferencing.
The high data flows will provide extra income to ISPs and the NBN and
so allow costs to be reduced for the rest of us.
Rod Speed
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:10 pm
Neil Gerace wrote
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Dennis wrote
In the 80's Telecom had real technical experts.
Yes, it did. I remember that it was Telecom, together with Monash Uni, which brought the Internet to Australia.
Like hell Telecom did. In spades with the end users.
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But the technical experts weren't the ones manning the customer
service lines, and they weren't in control of scheduling new connections.
Rod Speed
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:12 pm
Neil Gerace wrote
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terryc wrote
and almost all had a standard cost for a telephone install where ever you were.
You waited weeks if you were really fortunate,
Try months or even years.
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and your exchange was, likely as not, still manual if you lived outside the cities.
Thats just plain wrong. They were long gone before the telecom monopoly was removed.
Rod Speed
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:19 pm
Surfer wrote
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atec77 <atec77_at_hotmail.com> wrote
Neil Gerace wrote
There's nothing in favour of letting the government build a network.
The last time that happened, we got the PMG and then Telecom. Yuck!
I wouldn't mind a slightly higher speed , I really want more data and a price reduction
I think the comfortably well off will freely pay for high definition video phones
You're wrong. They can do that right now with mobile phones and dont bother.
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and down loading of movies.
Hordes do that right now.
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Profitable companies will likewise freely use video conferencing.
They are welcome to pay for that capability. It makes absolutely no
sense to be paying $50B to connect 97% of HOUSES so they can do that.
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The high data flows will provide extra income to ISPs
Pity about how the $50B is paid for.
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and the NBN and so allow costs to be reduced for the rest of us.
Pity about who gets to pay that $50B. It wont be paid for by fairys at the bottom of the garden, stupid.
Mark Harriss
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:11 pm
kreed wrote:
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That is true. I have several friends who had that knowledge and
experience from various
parts of Telstra and PMG. Sadly they are getting near retirement age,
in another 20 years will be gone
and that knowledge will be gone with them.
Telecom seemed to make a big effort to get rid of these people during
the late 1980's through the 1990's.
I don't know why.
One guy I know had six different bosses when they downsized him, one
of the bosses tried to attach his halfwit son in law to him to take
over but he was too stupid. Anyway a week later and they were all
ringing him asking how to program this bit of equipment or how to fix
something else anyway you can guess what he told them.
Mr.T
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:17 am
"Surfer" <no_at_spam.net> wrote in message
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umbers/
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Malcolm Turnbull's recent claim that Australians will not want a
100Mbps connection, as offered under Labor's National Broadband
Network, ignores the entire history of our access to the Internet and
is recklessly misleading.
"The reality is, there simply isn't demand at the household and every
small business level for Internet at that speed, at a price which
would make it even remotely financially viable"
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Seems to me he is correct, the key words being "AT a PRICE which would make
it financially viable"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF it was, then private industry would build it *without* a $43BILLION cost
to tax payers!
MrT.
Mr.T
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:25 am
"kreed" <kenreed1999_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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Telecom seemed to make a big effort to get rid of these people during
the late 1980's through the 1990's.
Yep over 30,000 retrenched without a whimper from government, and yet when a
few miners, or woodchippers might lose their jobs it's a calamity according
to them, and $Billions needs to be spent, or foregone in revenue to stop it!
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I don't know why.
To save a few dollars in wages, so they could pay Sol (and his amigo's) over
$50million!!!!
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There are still plenty like that. There are still a large number who
still have and only use the basic phone service/features that was
around 30 years back.
And even more who might use it IF they could afford it. Spending $43Billon
of taxpayers money on an NBN won't help them!
MrT.
Mr.T
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:31 am
"fasgnadh" <fasgnadh_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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When telstra has a problem with it's news server as happened recently,
no-one in their tech support knows what the hell Usenet is!!!!! B^D
Nor at Optus. And most of the rest don't even bother to provide Usenet!
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what we get is duplicated Marketing and Sales twonks
selling poorly understood products, and the closure of Telecom's
Clayton Research lab because who the hell needs research! B^p
They closed it so they could compete with Optus in the race to the bottom.
Optus had no use for R&D in Australia, so Telstra saw no point either.
MrT.
Mr.T
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:36 am
"atec77" <atec77_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I wouldn't mind a slightly higher speed , I really want more data and a
price reduction
AND??? You won't get BOTH!
MrT.
Mr.T
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:39 am
"Surfer" <no_at_spam.net> wrote in message
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I think the comfortably well off will freely pay for high definition
video phones and down loading of movies.
Profitable companies will likewise freely use video conferencing.
The high data flows will provide extra income to ISPs and the NBN and
so allow costs to be reduced for the rest of us.
Yep you'll get faster speeds and higher taxes to cover the $43Billion. But
why should those who don't even need broadband pay the extra taxes?
I'd FAR prefer to get a decent Electricity and water supply first!!!!!!!!!
MrT.
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