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Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:45 am   



On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 3:04:29 AM UTC+2, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 12:51:30 PM UTC-5, already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 7:28:13 PM UTC+2, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 10:49:31 AM UTC-5, already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 4:28:42 PM UTC+2, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 3:12:01 PM UTC-5, already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:39:55 PM UTC+2, gnuarm.del....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 8:01:22 PM UTC-5, gnuarm.del....@gmail.com wrote:
I hadn't heard of this company before. They seem to be making a number of FPGA devices. Unfortunately all the docs are in Chinese. Anyone know much about them?

http://www.anlogic.com/

Google can translate the web pages, but not the data sheets..

Rick C.

I'm a bit surprised at the lack of response... hello... Is this mike on?

I would have thought FPGA people might get excited about a 16 kLUT FPGA with an embedded MCU for under $10. I am... sort of. But I haven't started my Chinese lessons yet.

Rick C.

No, I am not excited. 10CL016 is 17 USD on digikey in quantity of 1.
Which probably means pretty close to 10 USD in quantity of few 1000s. And if the quantity is lower than few 1000s then I probably don't care if it's 10 UDS or 17.
10CL016 comes with datasheet that I can read and with development tools that I can trust.

If you propose me "40 kLUT for 5 USD" then there is a chance that I can start to get excited.

BTW, as far as variable cost goes "40 kLUT for 5 USD" is pretty easy at 28nm or better. The problem here is how do you recover NRE. One have to sell more than 10M units. Probably much more.

How about 10k LUTs for $3.29 @500, data sheet in English?

https://lcsc.com/product-detail/CPLD-FPGA_AG10KF256_C133764.html

Is that at all interesting?

Rick C.

Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Looks like a clone of EP4CE10 == 10CL010.
It could be interesting if they are compatible at bitstream level. Otherwise - less so.

But despite practicality I wouldn't count a manufacturer that managed to clone 9 years old Altera chip as new(ish) FPGA Company.

Why is bitstream compatibility between two Asian company products important?

Rick C.

Tesla referral code + https://ts.la/richard11209

Since when Altera/Intel is Asian company?

Ok, it's official. We are not having the same conversation.

Rick C.

Tesla referral code -- https://ts.la/richard11209


I suspect, we are not belonging to the same branch of the Multiverse.
In our branch we have thingies called "web search engines". The most popular of them is called "google". It's so popular that its name became a verb.
So, in (on ?) our branch, when somebody does not know what is EP4CE10 he/she googles for it. Then the person easily finds out that EP4CE10 is a low cost FPGA from Altera Cyclone IV-E family released ~9 years.
If the person is still interested he/she googles for 10CL010 and finds out that it is another name for the same chip given to it by Altera (which in the mean time was acquired by Intel) when they decides to rename several SKUs of Cyclone IV-E to Cyclone 10-LP and to reduce their prices.
Comparing datasheets it's also pretty easy to come to conclusion that AG10KF256 is the same chip as EP4CE10F256.
That's how it works in (on?) our branch of the Multiverse. But yours is probably different.

Mike Perkins
Guest

Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:45 pm   



On 26/11/2018 08:46, already5chosen_at_yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 3:04:29 AM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 12:51:30 PM UTC-5,
already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 7:28:13 PM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 10:49:31 AM UTC-5,
already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 4:28:42 PM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 3:12:01 PM UTC-5,
already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:39:55 PM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 8:01:22 PM UTC-5,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I hadn't heard of this company before. They seem to
be making a number of FPGA devices. Unfortunately
all the docs are in Chinese. Anyone know much about
them?

http://www.anlogic.com/

Google can translate the web pages, but not the data
sheets.

Rick C.

I'm a bit surprised at the lack of response...
hello... Is this mike on?

I would have thought FPGA people might get excited
about a 16 kLUT FPGA with an embedded MCU for under
$10. I am... sort of. But I haven't started my
Chinese lessons yet.

Rick C.

No, I am not excited. 10CL016 is 17 USD on digikey in
quantity of 1. Which probably means pretty close to 10
USD in quantity of few 1000s. And if the quantity is
lower than few 1000s then I probably don't care if it's
10 UDS or 17. 10CL016 comes with datasheet that I can
read and with development tools that I can trust.

If you propose me "40 kLUT for 5 USD" then there is a
chance that I can start to get excited.

BTW, as far as variable cost goes "40 kLUT for 5 USD" is
pretty easy at 28nm or better. The problem here is how do
you recover NRE. One have to sell more than 10M units.
Probably much more.

How about 10k LUTs for $3.29 @500, data sheet in English?

https://lcsc.com/product-detail/CPLD-FPGA_AG10KF256_C133764.html



Is that at all interesting?

Rick C.

Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Looks like a clone of EP4CE10 == 10CL010. It could be
interesting if they are compatible at bitstream level.
Otherwise - less so.

But despite practicality I wouldn't count a manufacturer that
managed to clone 9 years old Altera chip as new(ish) FPGA
Company.

Why is bitstream compatibility between two Asian company
products important?

Rick C.

Tesla referral code + https://ts.la/richard11209

Since when Altera/Intel is Asian company?

Ok, it's official. We are not having the same conversation.

Rick C.

Tesla referral code -- https://ts.la/richard11209

I suspect, we are not belonging to the same branch of the
Multiverse. In our branch we have thingies called "web search
engines". The most popular of them is called "google". It's so
popular that its name became a verb.


What are you trying to prove.

You've said Altera/Intel is Asian company.

Quote:
Comparing datasheets it's also pretty easy to
come to conclusion that AG10KF256 is the same chip as EP4CE10F256.
That's how it works in (on?) our branch of the Multiverse. But yours
is probably different.


I would be reluctant to make that assumption without some further
evidence. I've used your google and I haven't come across any article or
claim to say they have the same bit stream.

If you find some I will be happy to eat humble pie.


--
Mike Perkins
Video Solutions Ltd
www.videosolutions.ltd.uk


Guest

Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:45 pm   



On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 5:51:40 PM UTC+2, Mike Perkins wrote:
Quote:
On 26/11/2018 08:46, already5chosen_at_yahoo.com wrote:
On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 3:04:29 AM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 12:51:30 PM UTC-5,
already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 7:28:13 PM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 10:49:31 AM UTC-5,
already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018 at 4:28:42 PM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 3:12:01 PM UTC-5,
already...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:39:55 PM UTC+2,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 8:01:22 PM UTC-5,
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I hadn't heard of this company before. They seem to
be making a number of FPGA devices. Unfortunately
all the docs are in Chinese. Anyone know much about
them?

http://www.anlogic.com/

Google can translate the web pages, but not the data
sheets.

Rick C.

I'm a bit surprised at the lack of response...
hello... Is this mike on?

I would have thought FPGA people might get excited
about a 16 kLUT FPGA with an embedded MCU for under
$10. I am... sort of. But I haven't started my
Chinese lessons yet.

Rick C.

No, I am not excited. 10CL016 is 17 USD on digikey in
quantity of 1. Which probably means pretty close to 10
USD in quantity of few 1000s. And if the quantity is
lower than few 1000s then I probably don't care if it's
10 UDS or 17. 10CL016 comes with datasheet that I can
read and with development tools that I can trust.

If you propose me "40 kLUT for 5 USD" then there is a
chance that I can start to get excited.

BTW, as far as variable cost goes "40 kLUT for 5 USD" is
pretty easy at 28nm or better. The problem here is how do
you recover NRE. One have to sell more than 10M units.
Probably much more.

How about 10k LUTs for $3.29 @500, data sheet in English?

https://lcsc.com/product-detail/CPLD-FPGA_AG10KF256_C133764.html



Is that at all interesting?

Rick C.

Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Looks like a clone of EP4CE10 == 10CL010. It could be
interesting if they are compatible at bitstream level.
Otherwise - less so.

But despite practicality I wouldn't count a manufacturer that
managed to clone 9 years old Altera chip as new(ish) FPGA
Company.

Why is bitstream compatibility between two Asian company
products important?

Rick C.

Tesla referral code + https://ts.la/richard11209

Since when Altera/Intel is Asian company?

Ok, it's official. We are not having the same conversation.

Rick C.

Tesla referral code -- https://ts.la/richard11209

I suspect, we are not belonging to the same branch of the
Multiverse. In our branch we have thingies called "web search
engines". The most popular of them is called "google". It's so
popular that its name became a verb.

What are you trying to prove.

You've said Altera/Intel is Asian company.


Reread the conversation. I never said that.

Quote:
Comparing datasheets it's also pretty easy to
come to conclusion that AG10KF256 is the same chip as EP4CE10F256.
That's how it works in (on?) our branch of the Multiverse. But yours
is probably different.

I would be reluctant to make that assumption without some further
evidence. I've used your google and I haven't come across any article or
claim to say they have the same bit stream.


I didn't say that either. I wondered, if it is the same bit stream or not.
The chip is obviously the same design, but it is possible that they made small modification to cause bit stream to be incompatible. For example, for legal reasons.

Quote:

If you find some I will be happy to eat humble pie.


--
Mike Perkins
Video Solutions Ltd
www.videosolutions.ltd.uk


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