David L. Jones
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:05 am
Press release today, for those following the solar rebate/REC thing:
http://www.climatechange.gov.au/en/minister/wong/2010/media-releases/February/mr20100226.aspx
I love the "Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change" title!
Dave.
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Mauried
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:54 am
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:05:00 +1100, "David L. Jones"
<altzone_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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How does the $40 per MWH for rooftop solar installs relate to to the
$6200 subsidy.
How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
terryc
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:22 am
Mauried wrote:
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Does this make sense to anyone.
Never, but I'll give my impressions from the press release.
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How does the $40 per MWH for rooftop solar installs relate to to the
$6200 subsidy.
From January 2011, if you install a 1.5Kw solar panel setup, you will
get a $6,200 subsidy to install it and then for any electricty you
produce from it and feed back into the grid, you will be paid $40 per
megawatt hour.
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How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
They reduce the demand for electricty (on sunny days).
Mr.T
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:57 am
"terryc" <newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote in message
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How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
They reduce the demand for electricty
For a gas fired water heater?
(most of the systems installed in Melbourne use a solar heater with
instantaneous gas booster)
MrT.
Terryc
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:14 am
Mr.T wrote:
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"terryc" <newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote in message
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How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
They reduce the demand for electricty
For a gas fired water heater?
(most of the systems installed in Melbourne use a solar heater with
instantaneous gas booster)
I understand that natural gas is a current darling as it doesn'tptoduce
CO2, therefore assisting carbon reduction target.
Jon
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:22 am
"Terryc" <newsfourspam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Mr.T wrote:
"terryc" <newsninespam-spam_at_woa.com.au> wrote in message
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How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
They reduce the demand for electricty
For a gas fired water heater?
(most of the systems installed in Melbourne use a solar heater with
instantaneous gas booster)
I understand that natural gas is a current darling as it doesn'tptoduce
CO2, therefore assisting carbon reduction target.
Every hydrocarbon containing gas, when completely burned results
in CO2 and water.
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Mr.T
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:21 am
"Jon" <No_at_one.com> wrote in message
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How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
They reduce the demand for electricty
For a gas fired water heater?
(most of the systems installed in Melbourne use a solar heater with
instantaneous gas booster)
I understand that natural gas is a current darling as it doesn'tptoduce
CO2, therefore assisting carbon reduction target.
Every hydrocarbon containing gas, when completely burned results
in CO2 and water.
Still rather irrelevant to the original claim "They reduce the demand for
electricity". They do reduce CO2 emissions during use of course. And natural
gas water heaters produce less CO2 than burning brown coal to create
electricity. And instantaneous burners are more efficient than storage
systems as well.
MrT.
kreed
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:39 pm
On Feb 27, 7:21 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT_at_home> wrote:
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"Jon" <N...@one.com> wrote in message
news:hmaa6g$2a0m$1_at_adenine.netfront.net...
How do solar hot water heaters produce electricity, to entitle them
to the $1500 subsidy?
They reduce the demand for electricty
For a gas fired water heater?
(most of the systems installed in Melbourne use a solar heater with
instantaneous gas booster)
I understand that natural gas is a current darling as it doesn'tptoduce
CO2, therefore assisting carbon reduction target.
Every hydrocarbon containing gas, when completely burned results
in CO2 and water.
Still rather irrelevant to the original claim "They reduce the demand for
electricity". They do reduce CO2 emissions during use of course. And natural
gas water heaters produce less CO2 than burning brown coal to create
electricity. And instantaneous burners are more efficient than storage
systems as well.
MrT.
The whole point that these fools still don't want to seem to grasp is
that the "carbon pollution" scam is on
its last legs and its time to let it go and move on.
Maybe they need to google "climategate" unless that POS CONroy has
censored it already
That must be why I got a brochure with my last electricity bill
claiming that I can save electricity by
- using citronella burning lamps outdoors instead of mains powered
garden lighting
- cooking outdoors on a barbecue instead of using the electric stove
These might save electricity but are not necessarily cost saving
overall.
- replacing PAR 38 floodlamps in motion sensitive lights with 25w CFL
That one probably would help, but even assuming that the lamps were
happy to be used in such a fitting, the amount saved would be
negligible considering the few minutes the said lamps would be turned
on per day.
etc.
Mr.T
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:52 am
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- replacing PAR 38 floodlamps in motion sensitive lights with 25w CFL
That one probably would help, but even assuming that the lamps were
happy to be used in such a fitting, the amount saved would be
negligible considering the few minutes the said lamps would be turned
on per day.
Not to mention a 25W CFL hardly puts out the same light as a PAR38 flood
lamp does. Simply use one of those solar powered LED lamps instead if light
output is of NO consideration.
MrT.
kreed
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:17 pm
On Feb 28, 9:52 am, "Mr.T" <MrT_at_home> wrote:
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"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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- replacing PAR 38 floodlamps in motion sensitive lights with 25w CFL
That one probably would help, but even assuming that the lamps were
happy to be used in such a fitting, the amount saved would be
negligible considering the few minutes the said lamps would be turned
on per day.
Not to mention a 25W CFL hardly puts out the same light as a PAR38 flood
lamp does. Simply use one of those solar powered LED lamps instead if light
output is of NO consideration.
Most of them seem to put out less light than the equivalent wattage
straight fluro even.
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MrT.
I found a long time ago that a single 40w fluro under the 2nd storey
eaves lights most of the back yard very well.
It would also use about 1/3 the power of a PAR38, though in some cases
the PAR 38 may be a better choice depending on the type area you want
to light.
