Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 am
On 16/01/2019 05:03, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
That verse is often taken out of context.
Virtually /all/ Biblical quotations you post, Rick C. H., are taken out
of context. You have picked up many of the words and sentences in the
Bible, but missed out on the real messages and concepts. You would do
well to listen to people like Rick "gnuarm" - he has a much better
understanding of the Bible, Christianity, and the messages therein than
you do. /I/ have a much better understanding than you do - and I am
don't believe in anything supernatural.
You are determined to take every word you read in the Bible "literally"
- yet you dismiss the post of Rick "gnuarm" as being "out of context".
Do you have the slightest clue as to where those words in your book came
from? If you knew the history - the history of the people who wrote it,
the cultures, and how the stories and lessons have passed down to us
through time, distance, translation, transcription, interpretations and
selections, you would realise how utterly absurd your attitude is. The
Bible is a marvellous piece of work, and contains a great deal of useful
teaching and philosophy - for Christians and atheists alike. But you
have to understand it for what it is, and that is /not/ a magical book
with spells that you can quote at semi-random to justify your ego,
arrogance, hatred, and appalling bigotry, nor will those "spells"
magically convert others to your followers. It /will/ teach you about
your god, and will give guidance to how to be a better person, and it
will help you get a closer relationship to Jesus. But you have to read
it sensibly and appropriately. You have to apply the greatest gift god
gave us humans - your rational mind.
And yes, I know you will dismiss any criticism or corrections as being
inspired by the devil, or a daemon, or whatever you think posses my body
at the moment. The fact that you are unwilling to think properly, and
discuss rationally, shows that you are either a brainwashed fanatic, or
have serious psychological issues. (Based on your posting patterns over
the years, and my own experience with people with such problems, I
suspect the later. Help is available, but you have to want it - or the
people close to you have to insist upon it.)
Rick C. Hodgin
Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:45 pm
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:11:04 AM UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 11:03:23 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 8:38:43 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 7:21:56 PM UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
Your arrogance is in thinking you have told me anything I don't already know. I've shown you how you have missed the mark on everything you think about me and you are only really concerned with your own ego. So you retreat to spouting scripture. Verily, you keep getting it all wrong.
Christians examine the fruit they see, Rick. Your fruit bears out
a particular way.
As I said, judging as the word tells us not to do.
" “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself"
As always, you are pious to a fault.
That verse is often taken out of context.
In it, Jesus is teaching people not to be hypocrites. If I judge
someone as being a liar, I had better not yet already be a liar
also or else I condemn myself with my judgment of others. But,
if I am not a liar, then I am able to judge someone else as being
a liar rightly because I am walking as I should.
And the same type of relationship to ourselves first, then to others,
applies out to all things in this context. It's Jesus telling those
who are believers to not be hypocrites, and to judge righteous judg-
ment upon others, not by mere appearances (both inwardly unto self,
and outwardly unto others).
You so completely fail to understand... to paraphrase your own words, "woosh"!
You are making judgement of others when it is not your place to do so. Then you twist the scripture to justify your actions when the Word is telling you exactly to not do what you doing.
From Matthew Henry's commentary:
7:1-6 WE MUST JUDGE OURSELVES, and JUDGE OF OUR OWN ACTS, but not
make OUR WORD a law to everybody. We must not judge rashly, nor
pass judgment upon our brother WITHOUT ANY GROUND. We must not make
the worst of people. Here is a just reproof to those who quarrel
with their brethren for small faults, while THEY ALLOW THEMSELVES in
greater ones. Some sins are as motes, while others are as beams;
some as a gnat, others as a camel. Not that there is any sin little;
if it be a mote, or splinter, it is in the eye; if a gnat, it is in
the throat; both are painful and dangerous, and we cannot be easy or
well till they are got out. That which charity teaches us to call
but a splinter in our brother's eye, true repentance and godly sorrow
will teach us to CALL A BEAM IN OUR OWN. It is as strange that a man
can be in a sinful, miserable condition, and not be aware of it, as
that a man should have a beam in his eye, and not consider it; but
the god of this world blinds their minds. HERE IS A GOOD RULE FOR
REPROVERS; FIRST REFORM THYSELF.
We are called to self-examine, and to hold our own deeds to God's
standards, not our own. WHEN WE HAVE DONE THAT, and are continuing
to do that ongoing, then are we in a place to judge others rightly,
though the judgment is not judgment unto condemnation, but more of
an assessment about the way things are, such as if you see someone
stealing something you would be correct to "judge" them a thief.
-----[ Begin ]-----
b. Judge not, that you be not judged: With this command Jesus
warned against passing judgment upon others, because when we do
so, we will be judged in a similar manner.
==> i. Among those who seem to know nothing of the Bible, this is
the verse that seems to be most popular. Yet most the people who
quote this verse don’t understand what Jesus said. They seem to
think (or hope) that Jesus commanded a universal acceptance of
any lifestyle or teaching.
ii. Just a little later in this same sermon (Matthew 7:15-16), Jesus
commanded us to know ourselves and others by the fruit of their
life, and some sort of assessment is necessary for that. The
Christian is called to show unconditional love, but the Christian
is not called to unconditional approval. We really can love people
who do things that should not be approved of.
iii. So while this does not prohibit examining the lives of others, it
certainly prohibits doing it in the spirit it is often done. An
example of unjust judgment was the disciples’ condemnation of the
woman who came to anoint the feet of Jesus with oil (Matthew
26:6-13). They thought she was wasting something; Jesus said she
had done a good work that would always be remembered. They had a
rash, harsh, unjust judgment.
-- We break this command when we think the worst of others.
-- We break this command when we only speak to others of their faults.
-- We break this command when we judge an entire life only by its worst
-- We break this command when we judge the hidden motives of others.
-- We break this command when we judge others without considering
ourselves in their same circumstances.
-- We break this command when we judge others without being mindful
that we ourselves will be judged.
-----[ End ]-----
My teaching is not my own, save in a few places where I have explicitly
stated something like, "I have never heard this in a sermon" or other
such statement. These teachings that are my own relate to things which
have unexpectedly occurred to me while studying the Bible, or while
hearing a sermon. One such example is the Matthew 28:18-20 "Great
Commission," where Jesus says:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is
given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the
My teaching is that I do not believe the word "baptizing" used there
is water baptism. I believe it refers to an immersion in the teach-
ings of Christ, which are of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, meaning
a person is to take an inventory of their entire life, and bring out
each item one-by-one and hold it up to the light of scripture, the
true light of God's teaching, and examine each aspect of their lives
to see if that component needs to be altered, abandoned, or affirmed
I have other teachings as well which are my own, such as an observation
that the Jews offered up burnt offerings on the alter, and it has oc-
curred to me that the lake of fire is the place of punishment for all
sin, and Jesus paid the price of our sin, and He not only received the
various physical blows and damage He did here on this Earth, but He
had to go before the Father and face the full wrath of sin. As such,
it would not surprise me to learn that we will learn on the other side
that Jesus suffered some kind of horrific burning in the punishment He
paid for our sin, because if you'll remember the verses recording the
last moments of Jesus death on the cross, in one recount it says He
let out a loud cry and gave up the ghost. Why a loud cry? Why would
He, after having said, "It is finished," and "Into your hands I
commend my spirit," would He then let out a loud cry? I believe we
saw Him making the transfer from this world to that world, and in
that very moment He was able to be in both places at the same time
and He saw what awaited Him and He let out a cry due to what it was
He was facing ... a warning unto each of us who would die with our
own sin still charged to us, rather than having Jesus take our sin
away by asking Him to forgive us.
One other one is the 8th day circumcision. It occurred to me that
God created the Earth in 6 days, and on the 7th day He rested. He
gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision, to remove the excess
flesh on the 8th day, as a symbol of the everlasting covenant be-
tween God and man (Genesis 17:7-11). Okay, the 8th day. Why the
8th day? I believe it's because God made the world in 6 days, and
on the 7th day He rested. This is the creation of the physical and
spiritual components of the universe, which is then manifested to
us physically in this world by the timeline of man on this Earth,
as we have been on this Earth by Bible timelines approximately 6,000
years presently (6 "days"), and the upcoming 1,000 year millennial
reign of Christ (1 "day") is coming, which will be a day of rest.
But what comes after that 7th day? In the Bible we learn that all
mankind is then judged, and those who died in their sin will be
cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20). We learn also that
those who are redeemed go on to be with the Lord forever. So, this
is the beginning of the 8th day, the eternal day, the everlasting
day. God made the world in 6 days (6,000 years), and on the 7th
day He reseted (1,000) years, and on the 8th day He commanded us
to have the covenant of circumcision (judgment, where the "excess
flesh" is removed (where people are cast into Hell)), and then the
8th day begins, which is the eternal day outside of linear time,
the one Jesus restores us to when He takes our sin away.
Those are my independent teachings, and I label them as such, stat-
ing even that I do not know if this is what it is, but there is much
scripture to back up the thinking, and the thoughts were not my own,
but rather did occur to me unexpectedly when I was studying the Bible
or listening to sermons or whatever other thing I was doing. I was
literally sitting there in the sermon in one particular case, listen-
ing to the pastor, and the pastor read those verses in Matthew 28:18-
20, and I had the thought occur to me that it was not water baptism,
but was baptism (immersion for the purpose of transformation) in God,
in His teachings, His ways, to undo the worldliness in one's life,
and to let the true guidance of God overflow, surround, and illuminate
everything in a person's life. The other ones were likewise, as if
I was hearing the thought for the first time and being amazed by it.
You are such a perfect example of what Christians should never try to be,
holier than thou. Instead you should try to learn of your own shortcomings.
That is what the teaching of this verse is. "First reform thyself,"
with an implied "... and then go forth."
Clearly this conversation will never bear fruit. You see yourself
as the savior of everyone else in the world. So be it. Save us.
Just don't ask us for help with electronics until you can see that
we are not what you think we are.
I see Jesus as the Savior, not me. I am the lowest of the low in
my sin, needing Jesus just as everyone else does. He is the one I
point you to for salvation and teaching. I teach you to go to Him
and ask Him to forgive your sin so that your eternal soul can be
saved, and you can become an agent of God's Kingdom here on this
Earth, with a secure future that will prosper without end. That
is my sincere teaching here for you and everybody else. I want
you to thrive in eternity.
It is a simple teaching, and it is given for those who are being
saved, and as a testimony and witness against those who are not
Rick C. Hodgin