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Guest

Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:56 pm   



I have a GB Instruments multimeter (GMT -19A).
I've had this meter for years and it's always worked fine.

It came with 2 fuses. One was installed in the fuse holder inside by the
batteries. The other is a spare fuse which was in a plastic clip on the
other side of the batteries, and meant to be a spare.

The fuses are 7/8 inch long and are supposed to be SFE 0.5 amp / 250V.

I have gone to several hardware stores, an automotive parts store, and a
home improvement center. No one carries this amperage fuse, at least not
in that length (SFE). I thought I'd use a 1 amp if nothing else, but I
cant even find those.

For now, I found a 9 amp that fits, and am using that, but I know that
is not going to protect the meter.

I dont buy much online, and only use Ebay when I do. I thought Ebay
surely would have them, but I was wrong. Ebay has SFE fuses, but only in
larger amp sizes. Seems 7.5 amp and higher are common.

(I searched ebay using these words "sfe 1 amp fuse" )

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.

Does anyone know where I might find these fuses? (Even a 1 amp size).

No, I am NOT willing to go to one of those places that have a large
minimum order, or charge $10 or more to ship a small item like this.
After all, multimeters like this only cost around $25.

One thing I did find, is at a local hardware store they do have a few
boxes of AGA 1 amp. Those are a little short though, but I was wondering
about slipping a tiny piece of copper tubing over one end....

Without having one of them in front of me, I am not sure what the actual
length is for a AGA type. But a website lists them as 5/8" so I assume
that's correct. I also learned that the AG means "ALL GLASS".

[ I do wonder if I might still find these using other wording, on ebay.
I really would expect Ebay to have this... ] But what wording???

Tom Del Rosso
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:15 am   



oldschool_at_tubes.com wrote:
Quote:

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.


Are you kidding? Radio Shack had almost nothing. They never would have
had a fuse like that even before they started focusing on toys and cell
phones.

Haven't you looked at Digi-Key?

Tom Del Rosso
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:55 am   



oldschool_at_tubes.com wrote:
Quote:

It came with 2 fuses. One was installed in the fuse holder inside by
the batteries. The other is a spare fuse which was in a plastic clip
on the other side of the batteries, and meant to be a spare.

The fuses are 7/8 inch long and are supposed to be SFE 0.5 amp / 250V.


I forgot to mention what "a fuse like that" means. It's a 'high rupture
capacity' HRC fuse. That's what to look for.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:14 am   



In article <iok17d9mlrbt9b60dpmk6i9ri0da54vavc_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...
Quote:

I have a GB Instruments multimeter (GMT -19A).
I've had this meter for years and it's always worked fine.

It came with 2 fuses. One was installed in the fuse holder inside by the
batteries. The other is a spare fuse which was in a plastic clip on the
other side of the batteries, and meant to be a spare.

The fuses are 7/8 inch long and are supposed to be SFE 0.5 amp / 250V.

I have gone to several hardware stores, an automotive parts store, and a
home improvement center. No one carries this amperage fuse, at least not
in that length (SFE). I thought I'd use a 1 amp if nothing else, but I
cant even find those.

For now, I found a 9 amp that fits, and am using that, but I know that
is not going to protect the meter.

I dont buy much online, and only use Ebay when I do. I thought Ebay
surely would have them, but I was wrong. Ebay has SFE fuses, but only in
larger amp sizes. Seems 7.5 amp and higher are common.

(I searched ebay using these words "sfe 1 amp fuse" )

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.

Does anyone know where I might find these fuses? (Even a 1 amp size).

No, I am NOT willing to go to one of those places that have a large
minimum order, or charge $10 or more to ship a small item like this.
After all, multimeters like this only cost around $25.

One thing I did find, is at a local hardware store they do have a few
boxes of AGA 1 amp. Those are a little short though, but I was wondering
about slipping a tiny piece of copper tubing over one end....

Without having one of them in front of me, I am not sure what the actual
length is for a AGA type. But a website lists them as 5/8" so I assume
that's correct. I also learned that the AG means "ALL GLASS".

[ I do wonder if I might still find these using other wording, on ebay.
I really would expect Ebay to have this... ] But what wording???


If you check the book on the meter, you will see that you are not
looking for a SFE fuse. A SFE fuse that length would only be made in a
4 amp rating and probably 32 volts. SFE fuses were a certain length
depeding on the curent rating.

Your fuse may have a F on it,but probaly not the whole SFE.

Copied from the internet.

This fuse is known by the Garner Bender part of GF-0306 and it is rated
at 500mA, 250V fast blow. It is also known as F500mA, 250V.
Amazon carries it: www.amazon.com/Littelfuse-500mA-Fast-Blow-
Fuse/dp/B000PHCTP2
And Ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/5x-F500mAL250V-F500mA-250V-F500m-L250V-F500mL250V-
cartridge-GLASS-fuse-5X20mm-/151136253242
Or do a search on Google for "F500mA 250V fuse". The are easily and
readily available.

End of copy.

That fuse is probably a metric size fuse.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:17 am   



In article <p4qqqg$ru1$1_at_dont-email.me>, fizzbintuesday_at_that-google-
mail-domain.com says...
Quote:

oldschool_at_tubes.com wrote:

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.

Are you kidding? Radio Shack had almost nothing. They never would have
had a fuse like that even before they started focusing on toys and cell
phones.

Haven't you looked at Digi-Key?


Radio Shack may have had a fuse for the meter when they were open. Just
not under the numbers OS gave out. It is probably one of the metric
fuses and may have had a F on it,but not the SFE.

Probably one of the metric type fuses and common where fuses are sold.

M Philbrook
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:18 am   



In article <iok17d9mlrbt9b60dpmk6i9ri0da54vavc_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...
Quote:

I have a GB Instruments multimeter (GMT -19A).
I've had this meter for years and it's always worked fine.

It came with 2 fuses. One was installed in the fuse holder inside by the
batteries. The other is a spare fuse which was in a plastic clip on the
other side of the batteries, and meant to be a spare.

The fuses are 7/8 inch long and are supposed to be SFE 0.5 amp / 250V.

I have gone to several hardware stores, an automotive parts store, and a
home improvement center. No one carries this amperage fuse, at least not
in that length (SFE). I thought I'd use a 1 amp if nothing else, but I
cant even find those.

For now, I found a 9 amp that fits, and am using that, but I know that
is not going to protect the meter.

I dont buy much online, and only use Ebay when I do. I thought Ebay
surely would have them, but I was wrong. Ebay has SFE fuses, but only in
larger amp sizes. Seems 7.5 amp and higher are common.

(I searched ebay using these words "sfe 1 amp fuse" )

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.

Does anyone know where I might find these fuses? (Even a 1 amp size).

No, I am NOT willing to go to one of those places that have a large
minimum order, or charge $10 or more to ship a small item like this.
After all, multimeters like this only cost around $25.

One thing I did find, is at a local hardware store they do have a few
boxes of AGA 1 amp. Those are a little short though, but I was wondering
about slipping a tiny piece of copper tubing over one end....

Without having one of them in front of me, I am not sure what the actual
length is for a AGA type. But a website lists them as 5/8" so I assume
that's correct. I also learned that the AG means "ALL GLASS".

[ I do wonder if I might still find these using other wording, on ebay.
I really would expect Ebay to have this... ] But what wording???


We have bunches are work... 125ma and up.


Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am   



On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:14:36 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery28146_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
In article <iok17d9mlrbt9b60dpmk6i9ri0da54vavc_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...

I have a GB Instruments multimeter (GMT -19A).
I've had this meter for years and it's always worked fine.

It came with 2 fuses. One was installed in the fuse holder inside by the
batteries. The other is a spare fuse which was in a plastic clip on the
other side of the batteries, and meant to be a spare.

The fuses are 7/8 inch long and are supposed to be SFE 0.5 amp / 250V.

I have gone to several hardware stores, an automotive parts store, and a
home improvement center. No one carries this amperage fuse, at least not
in that length (SFE). I thought I'd use a 1 amp if nothing else, but I
cant even find those.

For now, I found a 9 amp that fits, and am using that, but I know that
is not going to protect the meter.

I dont buy much online, and only use Ebay when I do. I thought Ebay
surely would have them, but I was wrong. Ebay has SFE fuses, but only in
larger amp sizes. Seems 7.5 amp and higher are common.

(I searched ebay using these words "sfe 1 amp fuse" )

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.

Does anyone know where I might find these fuses? (Even a 1 amp size).

No, I am NOT willing to go to one of those places that have a large
minimum order, or charge $10 or more to ship a small item like this.
After all, multimeters like this only cost around $25.

One thing I did find, is at a local hardware store they do have a few
boxes of AGA 1 amp. Those are a little short though, but I was wondering
about slipping a tiny piece of copper tubing over one end....

Without having one of them in front of me, I am not sure what the actual
length is for a AGA type. But a website lists them as 5/8" so I assume
that's correct. I also learned that the AG means "ALL GLASS".

[ I do wonder if I might still find these using other wording, on ebay.
I really would expect Ebay to have this... ] But what wording???


If you check the book on the meter, you will see that you are not
looking for a SFE fuse. A SFE fuse that length would only be made in a
4 amp rating and probably 32 volts. SFE fuses were a certain length
depeding on the curent rating.

Your fuse may have a F on it,but probaly not the whole SFE.

Copied from the internet.

This fuse is known by the Garner Bender part of GF-0306 and it is rated
at 500mA, 250V fast blow. It is also known as F500mA, 250V.
Amazon carries it: www.amazon.com/Littelfuse-500mA-Fast-Blow-
Fuse/dp/B000PHCTP2
And Ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/5x-F500mAL250V-F500mA-250V-F500m-L250V-F500mL250V-
cartridge-GLASS-fuse-5X20mm-/151136253242
Or do a search on Google for "F500mA 250V fuse". The are easily and
readily available.

End of copy.

That fuse is probably a metric size fuse.



Could you be kind enough to tell me where you found an online "book" for
this meter? I no longer have the paper version.

Thanks

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:38 am   



In article <23527dl231cg98hlo4578ick8gm18gpie4_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...
Quote:
Your fuse may have a F on it,but probaly not the whole SFE.

Copied from the internet.

This fuse is known by the Garner Bender part of GF-0306 and it is rated
at 500mA, 250V fast blow. It is also known as F500mA, 250V.
Amazon carries it: www.amazon.com/Littelfuse-500mA-Fast-Blow-
Fuse/dp/B000PHCTP2
And Ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/5x-F500mAL250V-F500mA-250V-F500m-L250V-F500mL250V-
cartridge-GLASS-fuse-5X20mm-/151136253242
Or do a search on Google for "F500mA 250V fuse". The are easily and
readily available.

End of copy.

That fuse is probably a metric size fuse.



Could you be kind enough to tell me where you found an online "book" for
this meter? I no longer have the paper version.



Look here :

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-
migrate/MANUAL000034172.pdf


The - after man at the end of the line is suspose to be there.


Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:00 am   



On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:38:16 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery28146_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
Your fuse may have a F on it,but probaly not the whole SFE.

Copied from the internet.

This fuse is known by the Garner Bender part of GF-0306 and it is rated
at 500mA, 250V fast blow. It is also known as F500mA, 250V.
Amazon carries it: www.amazon.com/Littelfuse-500mA-Fast-Blow-
Fuse/dp/B000PHCTP2
And Ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/5x-F500mAL250V-F500mA-250V-F500m-L250V-F500mL250V-
cartridge-GLASS-fuse-5X20mm-/151136253242
Or do a search on Google for "F500mA 250V fuse". The are easily and
readily available.

End of copy.

That fuse is probably a metric size fuse.



Could you be kind enough to tell me where you found an online "book" for
this meter? I no longer have the paper version.



Look here :

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-
migrate/MANUAL000034172.pdf


The - after man at the end of the line is suspose to be there.


Thanks. It's nice having a manual for it again. I lost a lot of manuals
for older stuff, because I had them in a garage and mice decided they
were something to chew up.

PDF files are better than paper....

The meter does not say the fuse size inside the case, except 0.5 A and
250 V. It's probably a year or more since I needed a fuse and used what
I had on hand, which was a SFE 9 A. It fits, but it looks like it did
widen the prongs on the fuse holder.I only noticed the wrong size fuse
and remembered using the wrong size the other day, when I replaced the
batteries in it.

One thing I do not understand.
In a store I found some other fuses that were about the same size as the
SFE. It may have been AGW, but I dont remember for sure. They were 1A
fuses rated at 32 volts. They were made out of glass, with the metal
ends, just like the fuses rated at 250V.

Why would a fuse like that not work at 250 V, or 100 V or any voltage
above 32 V? I'm sure the glass container and metal ends would not fall
apart. And isn't the element inside just a piece of very thin wire whose
gauge is determined by the amperage? So, why wouldn't that fuse work at
a (reasonable) voltage over 32 V? (Or up to 250 V)?

I'm sure there is a reason, but I sure can not see why? Everything looks
identical.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:06 pm   



In article <fb037dl99i4c3lsdpu7gkjqans34t9qokr_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...
Quote:
One thing I do not understand.
In a store I found some other fuses that were about the same size as the
SFE. It may have been AGW, but I dont remember for sure. They were 1A
fuses rated at 32 volts. They were made out of glass, with the metal
ends, just like the fuses rated at 250V.

Why would a fuse like that not work at 250 V, or 100 V or any voltage
above 32 V? I'm sure the glass container and metal ends would not fall
apart. And isn't the element inside just a piece of very thin wire whose
gauge is determined by the amperage? So, why wouldn't that fuse work at
a (reasonable) voltage over 32 V? (Or up to 250 V)?

I'm sure there is a reason, but I sure can not see why? Everything looks
identical.





The reason for the voltage rating is the arc over voltage. That is if
the voltage is high enough when the fuse element melts there will be an
arc created in the fuse and the current flow will still not be cut off.

At work we had some fuses that were about 8 inches long and over an inch
in diameter. They were rated for only one amp, but for 6000 or so
volts.

Fuses that have a higher voltage rating are fine to use in the low
voltage applications. They only work on the curent. In those
inexpensive meters with fuses only rated for 250 volts, they could be
dangerous at higher voltages. We were shown a trainging film by the
Fluke salesmen. They showed what could hapen if you had a low voltage
fuse and had the meter set for ohms or amps and put it across a 480 volt
line with plenty of curent. The fuse would arc over and the leads would
melt down. You would too if you were holding the leads. They make some
special fuses for them to get the higher CAT ratings.


Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:07 pm   



On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:06:34 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery28146_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
In article <fb037dl99i4c3lsdpu7gkjqans34t9qokr_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...
One thing I do not understand.
In a store I found some other fuses that were about the same size as the
SFE. It may have been AGW, but I dont remember for sure. They were 1A
fuses rated at 32 volts. They were made out of glass, with the metal
ends, just like the fuses rated at 250V.

Why would a fuse like that not work at 250 V, or 100 V or any voltage
above 32 V? I'm sure the glass container and metal ends would not fall
apart. And isn't the element inside just a piece of very thin wire whose
gauge is determined by the amperage? So, why wouldn't that fuse work at
a (reasonable) voltage over 32 V? (Or up to 250 V)?

I'm sure there is a reason, but I sure can not see why? Everything looks
identical.





The reason for the voltage rating is the arc over voltage. That is if
the voltage is high enough when the fuse element melts there will be an
arc created in the fuse and the current flow will still not be cut off.

At work we had some fuses that were about 8 inches long and over an inch
in diameter. They were rated for only one amp, but for 6000 or so
volts.

Fuses that have a higher voltage rating are fine to use in the low
voltage applications. They only work on the curent. In those
inexpensive meters with fuses only rated for 250 volts, they could be
dangerous at higher voltages. We were shown a trainging film by the
Fluke salesmen. They showed what could hapen if you had a low voltage
fuse and had the meter set for ohms or amps and put it across a 480 volt
line with plenty of curent. The fuse would arc over and the leads would
melt down. You would too if you were holding the leads. They make some
special fuses for them to get the higher CAT ratings.


Ok, that makes sense. Apparently the element inside the fuse must melt
for a wider gap on higher voltage rated fuses. Which would occur because
of the type of metal used and/or shape of the wire. I have seen fuses
with that element looking wavy, so I suppose that has something to do
with it. This is all mostly just a guess, but something has to make that
gap wider to prevent arc-over.

I can see arcing at voltages above 250 V. I have worked on lots of old
tube tv sets, and have seen the B+ high voltage jump across tube socket
pins and other places. Most of the time the voltages were from 300 volts
up to nearing 600 volts. Apparently these meters are not really suited
for that higher voltage tube gear, even though both the AC and the DC
ranges go to 1000 V.

I do find the 32 V limit on some of those fuses sort of an oddball
figure though. Any voltage from 32 to 100 V is not going to arc much.
Even 120 V AC line voltage really does not arc very much. Most of the
arcing I have seen has been over 250 V. The CRT anodes on old CRT tv
sets were notorious for arcing, but that was several thousand volts. I
have seen (and felt) the arcing from electric livestock fences (that
bites, and always makes me use my worst vocabulary). Those fences are
generally 2000 to 6000 volts.

Anyhow, this has been an interesting thread. I learned more about fuses,
which I have used for decades but never given much thought to them,
other than selecting one that is the right amperage and fits the holder.
It is likely I have used automotive fuses on tube gear that were not
rated for the voltage. Now I will be more aware of that.

Speaking of arcing. There is a youtube video where a main high tension
line on a tower is disconnected, and that forms am arc that keeps
growing taller. (Called a Jacobs Ladder). If I recall, the voltage is
something like 500,000 volts. The guys open 3 switches on the tower (3
phase), and that arc occurs. Those switches are probably one of more
feet of gap, but at that voltage it dont seem to matter. That's an
awesome video.....


Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23 pm   



On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:14:36 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery28146_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
This fuse is known by the Garner Bender part of GF-0306 and it is rated
at 500mA, 250V fast blow. It is also known as F500mA, 250V.
Amazon carries it: www.amazon.com/Littelfuse-500mA-Fast-Blow-
Fuse/dp/B000PHCTP2
And Ebay:
www.ebay.com/itm/5x-F500mAL250V-F500mA-250V-F500m-L250V-F500mL250V-
cartridge-GLASS-fuse-5X20mm-/151136253242
Or do a search on Google for "F500mA 250V fuse". The are easily and
readily available.

End of copy.

That fuse is probably a metric size fuse.


Just to mention it, I ordered some fuses on Ebay. 5 X 20 mm. I found
they wanted around $6.50 for five 500ma fuses. Then I found a whole kit
of 100 of that size fuse, for around $7.25. The kit has ten of the 500ma
size and ten more each of other amperages, up to 15A. Needless to say, I
bought the whole kit for pennies more.

Amazon was pulling their usual shit. They list something for a certain
price but require a minimum dollar amount order, and add even more if I
am not a "prime" member and then add high shipping in the end. I began
with a $7 box of fuses and would have had to pay double that amount in
the end. Precisely why I never buy from Amazon..... They can keep their
bullshit games, and shove their "prime" service up their a$$.

The initial item was cheaper on Ebay, and with free shipping, Thats all
I paid, and checking out was much quicker too. I dont know why anyone
even bothers with Amazon. They're crooks....


Guest

Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:30 pm   



On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:15:42 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday_at_that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

Quote:
oldschool_at_tubes.com wrote:

* Now I know why I miss Radio Shack, they usually had stuff like this.

Are you kidding? Radio Shack had almost nothing. They never would have
had a fuse like that even before they started focusing on toys and cell
phones.

Haven't you looked at Digi-Key?



Until Radio Shack closed their doors, they DID have a decent selection
of fuses, switches, and certain other parts. They were lacking with
capacitors and semiconductors though. Yea, their prices were a little
high, but they were convenient....

Places like Digi-Key, Mouser and others like that all have minimum
orders, and high shipping. I dont even bother looking on those places
anymore, unless I intend to buy a whole bunch of stuff that I dont
really need, just to obtain one part.

Dave Platt
Guest

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:53 am   



In article <cf947dpqa56d68hdob75er2c1r480tbnet_at_4ax.com>,
<oldschool_at_tubes.com> wrote:

Quote:
Places like Digi-Key, Mouser and others like that all have minimum
orders, and high shipping.


I think your information is outdated.

Mouser: "No minimum order dollar amount on products normally stocked
in our warehouse."

Digi-Key: "There is no minimum order or handling fee."

"Except as otherwise provided on the Site, (1) shipping or
freight charges and insurance will be paid by the
customer*,

* When a check or money order accompanies your order,
Digi-Key pays all shipping and insurance (our choice for
method of shipping) to all addresses in the U.S. and
Canada."

So, if you want to order a single pack of fuses from Digi-Key, you can
do so very inexpensively - simply MAIL them your order (rather than
submitting it on-line) and include a check or money order.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:11 am   



In article <th847dpmrd03t776hj6brr1nfq3t4nf4ch_at_4ax.com>,
oldschool_at_tubes.com says...
Quote:


Just to mention it, I ordered some fuses on Ebay. 5 X 20 mm. I found
they wanted around $6.50 for five 500ma fuses. Then I found a whole kit
of 100 of that size fuse, for around $7.25. The kit has ten of the 500ma
size and ten more each of other amperages, up to 15A. Needless to say, I
bought the whole kit for pennies more.

Amazon was pulling their usual shit. They list something for a certain
price but require a minimum dollar amount order, and add even more if I
am not a "prime" member and then add high shipping in the end. I began
with a $7 box of fuses and would have had to pay double that amount in
the end. Precisely why I never buy from Amazon..... They can keep their
bullshit games, and shove their "prime" service up their a$$.

The initial item was cheaper on Ebay, and with free shipping, Thats all
I paid, and checking out was much quicker too. I dont know why anyone
even bothers with Amazon. They're crooks....





A while back I ordered some coffee off Amazon. It shipped from Target.
I looked at the Target site and it was less from them, so from then on I
go to the Target web site. Would go to Target, but it is about 30 miles
one way from here.

I live in a small town so not too much around here. Even with some
shiping charges, it is less expensive for me to order things.

Really came out a while back with Best Buy. Ordered a 60 inch TV tht
had free shipping. Two people came out and set it up. They turned it
on,but said they could not mess with the cable TV as per company policy.
They carried off the packing material and offered to carry off the old
TV. All that service was free. The nearest BB is about 30 miles away.

While I do order from Amazon, I also check other places for the best
price.

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