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Otto Bahn
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Mon May 10, 2010 3:57 pm
"Matthew L Martin" <mlmartin_at_teranews.com> wrote
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Have you ever heard of 'Troll baiting'?
Yeah, it's that lame excuse trollees use after they finally realize
the numerous, voluminous posts were just a big waste of time, as if
all that writing justified get a short little bit of bait from me.
Speaking of pots...
Hey, oTTo! How do you plan on getting this one off your hook?
Yeah, it's that lame excuse trollees use after they finally realize
the numerous, voluminous posts were just a big waste of time, as if
all that writing justified get a short little bit of bait from me.
Speaking of pots...
Hey, oTTo! How do you plan on getting this one off your hook?
875 volts ought to do it. I just need to ask Kenneth
what the frequency is.
--oTTo--
Hatunen
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Mon May 10, 2010 4:59 pm
On Sun, 9 May 2010 18:17:23 -0400, "Otto Bahn"
<Ladybrrane_at_GroinToHell.com> wrote:
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The subject at issue is the previous statement:
[deleted by Otto so no one will know what he's talking about]
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Yeah, Bush II served in the military, so maybe his blanket statement
about people who served is a tad off.
about people who served is a tad off.
There questions about just how much serving Bush did while in the
military...
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Otto Bahn
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Mon May 10, 2010 5:34 pm
"Hatunen" <hatunen_at_cox.net> wrote
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The subject at issue is the previous statement:
[deleted by Otto so no one will know what he's talking about]
[deleted by Otto so no one will know what he's talking about]
It was already deleted by someone else.
Quote:
Yeah, Bush II served in the military, so maybe his blanket statement
about people who served is a tad off.
There questions about just how much serving Bush did while in the
military...
about people who served is a tad off.
There questions about just how much serving Bush did while in the
military...
Deletion of Bush I and JFK noted. General statement about those
who served has been trashed.
--oTTo--
Adam Funk
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Mon May 10, 2010 7:57 pm
On 2010-05-10, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
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Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
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Otto Bahn
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Mon May 10, 2010 8:01 pm
"Adam Funk" <a24061_at_yahoo.com> wrote
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Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
Potentially.
--oTTo--
Marvin J. Mooney
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Mon May 10, 2010 9:12 pm
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
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Wikipedia is not a valid cite. Anyone can fake a web page.
Post proof or retract.
Post proof or retract.
Proof tract or riposte!
Marvin J. Mooney
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Mon May 10, 2010 9:12 pm
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
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barbara_at_bookpro.com wrote:
And some keep following shiny things back and forth through Usenet's
murky waters.
And some keep following shiny things back and forth through Usenet's
murky waters.
Won't someone please think of the SHINY HAPPY PEOPUMS?
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Really? Then you should climb back on the short bus, and go back to
the nut hatch. Your doctors have some shiny new toys for you to play
with, wile they test more experimental drugs. They say you're the
perfect Guinea Pig, other than the fact you shed more than the real
thing.
.
the nut hatch. Your doctors have some shiny new toys for you to play
with, wile they test more experimental drugs. They say you're the
perfect Guinea Pig, other than the fact you shed more than the real
thing.
.
Mmmmm Kibo Ultra!
Otto Bahn
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Mon May 10, 2010 9:19 pm
"Marvin J. Mooney" <ms99cc77_at_newsfroup.net> wrote
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And some keep following shiny things back and forth through Usenet's
murky waters.
Won't someone please think of the SHINY HAPPY PEOPUMS?
murky waters.
Won't someone please think of the SHINY HAPPY PEOPUMS?
Whiney sappy peopums holding hams.
--oTTo--
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Mon May 10, 2010 11:15 pm
On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:31 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
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On 2010-05-10, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
No.
Hatunen
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Tue May 11, 2010 2:25 am
On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:15:11 -0500, "krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:31 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2010-05-10, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
No.
On 2010-05-10, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
No.
Woosh...
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krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Tue May 11, 2010 4:40 am
On Mon, 10 May 2010 18:25:55 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen_at_cox.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 17:15:11 -0500, "krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:31 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2010-05-10, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
No.
Woosh...
krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:31 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2010-05-10, krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
No.
Woosh...
Idiot
David DeLaney
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Tue May 11, 2010 6:04 am
Otto Bahn <Ladybrrane_at_GroinToHell.com> wrote:
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"Adam Funk" <a24061_at_yahoo.com> wrote
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
Potentially.
Speaking of pots...
Aren't they usually called variable resistors these days?
Potentially.
"Hello, $WORKER speaking. This is a flip-flop!"
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Peter Moylan
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Tue May 11, 2010 8:14 am
Otto Bahn wrote:
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"Hatunen" <hatunen_at_cox.net> wrote
The subject at issue is the previous statement:
[deleted by Otto so no one will know what he's talking about]
It was already deleted by someone else.
Yeah, Bush II served in the military, so maybe his blanket statement
about people who served is a tad off.
There questions about just how much serving Bush did while in the
military...
Deletion of Bush I and JFK noted. General statement about those
who served has been trashed.
The subject at issue is the previous statement:
[deleted by Otto so no one will know what he's talking about]
It was already deleted by someone else.
Yeah, Bush II served in the military, so maybe his blanket statement
about people who served is a tad off.
There questions about just how much serving Bush did while in the
military...
Deletion of Bush I and JFK noted. General statement about those
who served has been trashed.
They also serve who only wait at table.
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For an e-mail address, see my web page.
unfrostedpoptart
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:08 am
I would guess a majority of the people reading this group do FPGA work so they can afford to be sloppy in their code and just redo it if they make a size mistake that causes an error. However, if you're doing huge ASICs that cost over $1million for NRE and to re-spin if you make a mistake, you sure as hell better be sizing your constants and running every compile and lint checker you can think of!
David
gabor
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:28 pm
On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:12:51 PM UTC-5, Andy wrote:
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On Feb 5, 2:59 pm, gabor <ga...@alacron.com> wrote:
One thing I don't miss is strong typing. It seems
draconian that you need to write a constant for
a 5-bit quantity in binary, or use a type conversion.
I almost never size constants in Verilog. I understand
that some people do it to remind themselves of the
actual number of bits being used in the context,
but I just find the code more readable without
all the 3'd7 notation, instead of just plain 7.
Good luck on your new ventures,
Gabor- Hide quoted text -
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I'm sure whoever gets to maintain your code will appreciate all the
unlabeled, unexplained, unbounded literals for which you saved so much
time and effort by not bothering to define constants.
Defining a constant with a useful name gives the value a purpose and a
reason why it is what it is. Giving the constant a type gives the
value a context in which it may be interpreted. Giving the constant a
constrained type gives the value a range within which it might be
changed should the need arise.
Yes, you could accomplish all that with equally verbose comments that
are ignored by anything but human readers, if only they could trust
that the comments had been kept up to date.
If developers thought more about maintaining their code than typing
it, they'd spend far less time chasing their tails when it does not
work than they'd spent on a few extra keystrokes.
Andy
One thing I don't miss is strong typing. It seems
draconian that you need to write a constant for
a 5-bit quantity in binary, or use a type conversion.
I almost never size constants in Verilog. I understand
that some people do it to remind themselves of the
actual number of bits being used in the context,
but I just find the code more readable without
all the 3'd7 notation, instead of just plain 7.
Good luck on your new ventures,
Gabor- Hide quoted text -
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I'm sure whoever gets to maintain your code will appreciate all the
unlabeled, unexplained, unbounded literals for which you saved so much
time and effort by not bothering to define constants.
Defining a constant with a useful name gives the value a purpose and a
reason why it is what it is. Giving the constant a type gives the
value a context in which it may be interpreted. Giving the constant a
constrained type gives the value a range within which it might be
changed should the need arise.
Yes, you could accomplish all that with equally verbose comments that
are ignored by anything but human readers, if only they could trust
that the comments had been kept up to date.
If developers thought more about maintaining their code than typing
it, they'd spend far less time chasing their tails when it does not
work than they'd spent on a few extra keystrokes.
Andy
The point I was making has nothing to do with comments
and everything to do with human readability of the code
itself. I have had to do a lot of maintenance of
strongly typed VHDL code with few or no comments in it,
and constants like "01011" are NOT in my opinion helpful
in showing the intent of the variable to which it is
assigned or compared. My code is liberally littered
with comments, as much for my own use when I need to
make updates in the future as for anyone else who might
need to understand it. The exact number of bits in
a signal or variable is always readily available in
the declaration, and I don't need to be reminded of
it each time it appears in the behavioral code.
Just my 2 cents,
Gabor
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