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Green Xenon
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:07 pm   



Hi:

In my secure dream laptop:

1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireles
adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these ID
disappear without leaving a trace. When the laptop is switched on, new ID
are generated.
2. The only ROM is mask-programmed ROM, as well as optical ROMs [CDs, DVDs
etc.]
3. The only RAM is twin-transistor RAM
4. The wireless adapter has the longest range allowed by law
5. The OS is installed on ROM chips
6. Twin-Transistor-RAM chips substitute for the HDD
7. The is an optical-disc burner that is compatible with all formats o
optical discs [such as DVD-R, CD-R]

The above laptop is as secure as one can get.


Regards,

Green Xenon

pimpom
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:00 pm   



Green Xenon wrote:

Quote:
In my secure dream laptop:

5. The OS is installed on ROM chips

Not quite that, but the Amiga desktop computer could run its OS -
called Workbench - with full GUI from a single 880KB floppy disk.
The 0.5MB ROM (called 'Kickstart') was an integral part of the
OS. The last major release of Workbench, before the company went
belly up, was v3.0 and took up all of 4MB HDD space fully
installed, but could still run from a single 880KB diskette with
24-bit graphics and 4-channel sound. It was fully plug-and-play
10 years before the plug-and-pray of Windoze 95.

Tim Watts
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:10 pm   



Green Xenon <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com>
wibbled on Tuesday 02 March 2010 17:07

Quote:
Hi:

In my secure dream laptop:

1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireless
adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these IDs
disappear without leaving a trace. When the laptop is switched on, new IDs
are generated.
2. The only ROM is mask-programmed ROM, as well as optical ROMs [CDs,
DVDs,
etc.]
3. The only RAM is twin-transistor RAM
4. The wireless adapter has the longest range allowed by law
5. The OS is installed on ROM chips
6. Twin-Transistor-RAM chips substitute for the HDD
7. The is an optical-disc burner that is compatible with all formats of
optical discs [such as DVD-R, CD-R]

The above laptop is as secure as one can get.


Regards,

Green Xenon

Why not just get a normal laptop and pack it with thermite? If "they" come,
light the magnesium fuse and run - won't be much left that's readable.

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Green Xenon
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:44 pm   



Quote:
Green Xenon <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com
wibbled on Tuesday 02 March 2010 17:07

Hi:

In my secure dream laptop:

1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireless
adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these IDs
disappear without leaving a trace. When the laptop is switched on, ne
IDs
are generated.
2. The only ROM is mask-programmed ROM, as well as optical ROMs [CDs,
DVDs,
etc.]
3. The only RAM is twin-transistor RAM
4. The wireless adapter has the longest range allowed by law
5. The OS is installed on ROM chips
6. Twin-Transistor-RAM chips substitute for the HDD
7. The is an optical-disc burner that is compatible with all formats of
optical discs [such as DVD-R, CD-R]

The above laptop is as secure as one can get.


Regards,

Green Xenon

Why not just get a normal laptop and pack it with thermite? If "they
come,
light the magnesium fuse and run - won't be much left that's readable.

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.




Too expensive. I can't afford to keep destroying and buying new laptops.

Dave Platt
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:22 pm   



In article <m_-dnWR4yeko2BDWnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d_at_giganews.com>,
Green Xenon <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
The above laptop is as secure as one can get.

.... but it won't achieve the degree of anonymity that you seem to want.

You haven't dealt at all with the issue of radio direction finding. A
wireless card that's as powerful as you say, will be quite easy to
detect at a distance whenever it's associated with a WiFi access
point. A little bit of RDF triangulation, and your position will be
spotted to within a couple of feet. The people searching for you (if
they do) simply won't *care* that your laptop no longer has evidence
that you were the guy they're looking for... they'll know it was you
via radiolocation before they even confront you and you have a chance
to kill the power.

Rather than dream about a super-anonymous laptop, to use to vent your
anger at all of society's quirks, you really ought to work at
finding a healthier way to deal with your anger, and a more
constructive way to deal with the underlying social issues. Simply
dumping your anger onto other people, by provoking them into outrage,
is unlikely to bring you the long-term peace and serenity that you
seem to desire. What you're planning to do is the emotional
equivalent of toxic-waste dumping, crossed with a tantrum suitable for
a five-year-old.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt_at_radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

John Larkin
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:30 pm   



On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:07:01 -0600, "Green Xenon"
<green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Hi:

In my secure dream laptop:

1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireless
adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these IDs
disappear without leaving a trace. When the laptop is switched on, new IDs
are generated.
2. The only ROM is mask-programmed ROM, as well as optical ROMs [CDs, DVDs,
etc.]
3. The only RAM is twin-transistor RAM
4. The wireless adapter has the longest range allowed by law
5. The OS is installed on ROM chips
6. Twin-Transistor-RAM chips substitute for the HDD
7. The is an optical-disc burner that is compatible with all formats of
optical discs [such as DVD-R, CD-R]

The above laptop is as secure as one can get.


Regards,

Green Xenon


I think that there are meds that can help with paranoia.

John

Green Xenon
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:41 pm   



Quote:
In article <m_-dnWR4yeko2BDWnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d_at_giganews.com>,
Green Xenon <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:

The above laptop is as secure as one can get.

... but it won't achieve the degree of anonymity that you seem to want.

You haven't dealt at all with the issue of radio direction finding. A
wireless card that's as powerful as you say, will be quite easy to
detect at a distance whenever it's associated with a WiFi access
point. A little bit of RDF triangulation, and your position will be
spotted to within a couple of feet. The people searching for you (if
they do) simply won't *care* that your laptop no longer has evidence
that you were the guy they're looking for... they'll know it was you
via radiolocation before they even confront you and you have a chance
to kill the power.

Rather than dream about a super-anonymous laptop, to use to vent your
anger at all of society's quirks, you really ought to work at
finding a healthier way to deal with your anger, and a more
constructive way to deal with the underlying social issues. Simply
dumping your anger onto other people, by provoking them into outrage,
is unlikely to bring you the long-term peace and serenity that you
seem to desire. What you're planning to do is the emotional
equivalent of toxic-waste dumping, crossed with a tantrum suitable for
a five-year-old.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt_at_radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!



Is there a way around the RDF triangulation?

Is there a way for me to figure if I'm being triangulated before it's too
late?

bw
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:27 pm   



"Green Xenon" <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m_-dnWR4yeko2BDWnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d_at_giganews.com...
Quote:
Hi:

In my secure dream laptop:

1. All IDs -- such as the MAC address [including that of the wireless
adapter] -- are totally dynamic. When the laptop is offed, these IDs
disappear without leaving a trace. When the laptop is switched on, new IDs
are generated.
2. The only ROM is mask-programmed ROM, as well as optical ROMs [CDs,
DVDs,
etc.]
3. The only RAM is twin-transistor RAM
4. The wireless adapter has the longest range allowed by law
5. The OS is installed on ROM chips
6. Twin-Transistor-RAM chips substitute for the HDD
7. The is an optical-disc burner that is compatible with all formats of
optical discs [such as DVD-R, CD-R]

The above laptop is as secure as one can get.


Regards,

Green Xenon

1. Stop doing anything requiring security.
2. Turn the laptop off.
3. Wrap the laptop with aluminum foil, two layers will be fine.
4. If you need more security, wrap some foil around yourself, or on the
walls of your room, or both.
5. Above all, keep away from usenet groups, "they" are watching you.

Hammy
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:29 pm   



On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:41:12 -0600, "Green Xenon"
<green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:


Quote:

Is there a way around the RDF triangulation?

Is there a way for me to figure if I'm being triangulated before it's too
late?

Wow what's up with the paranoia? What are you planning to do?

No RF triangulation is passive so you wouldn't know until they kicked
your door in.

Dave Platt
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:10 pm   



In article <VcSdnTOSWY5F9BDWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d_at_giganews.com>,
Green Xenon <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Is there a way around the RDF triangulation?

No, not at all reliably. Anything you do to obscure the RF position
of your laptop, will inevitably decrease its transmission and
reception range... and thus eliminate the whole advantage of having a
strong transmitter.

Quote:
Is there a way for me to figure if I'm being triangulated before it's too
late?

The triangulation process can be (and usually is) an entirely passive
process... the people who are hunting for a transmitterdon't need to
transmit any signals at all. Their RDF'ing won't interfere in any way
with what you, or other people are doing via wireless. So, no, you
can't depend on being able to detect that you're being hunted.

Of course, if you see silent-bladed black helicoptors drifting by
overhead, it might be something to worry about.

I've even seen some high-end WiFi access point / router devices on the
market which have multiple transmit/receive antennas, and can do RF
beam-shaping under software control. In effect, the access point
figures out the direction to each client system it's talking to, and
"points" the antenna system electronically in order to give the best
range and sensitivity. In effect, these access points are
"triangulation ready".

--
Dave Platt <dplatt_at_radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Green Xenon
Guest

Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:30 pm   



Quote:
In article <VcSdnTOSWY5F9BDWnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d_at_giganews.com>,
Green Xenon <green_xenon1_at_n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:

Is there a way around the RDF triangulation?

No, not at all reliably. Anything you do to obscure the RF position
of your laptop, will inevitably decrease its transmission and
reception range... and thus eliminate the whole advantage of having a
strong transmitter.

Is there a way for me to figure if I'm being triangulated before it'
too
late?

The triangulation process can be (and usually is) an entirely passive
process... the people who are hunting for a transmitterdon't need to
transmit any signals at all. Their RDF'ing won't interfere in any way
with what you, or other people are doing via wireless. So, no, you
can't depend on being able to detect that you're being hunted.

Of course, if you see silent-bladed black helicoptors drifting by
overhead, it might be something to worry about.

I've even seen some high-end WiFi access point / router devices on the
market which have multiple transmit/receive antennas, and can do RF
beam-shaping under software control. In effect, the access point
figures out the direction to each client system it's talking to, and
"points" the antenna system electronically in order to give the best
range and sensitivity. In effect, these access points are
"triangulation ready".

--
Dave Platt <dplatt_at_radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!


If I use this laptop in public place, will it be more difficult to figur
me out? There are a lot of open wireless access points available to th
public and can be found in many coffee shops. If I use those, will it b
easier for me to elude those who are after me? After there are so man
people using wireless access points these days.

nuny@bid.nes
Guest

Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:20 am   



On Mar 2, 1:10 pm, dpl...@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote:

Quote:
I've even seen some high-end WiFi access point / router devices on the
market which have multiple transmit/receive antennas, and can do RF
beam-shaping under software control.  In effect, the access point
figures out the direction to each client system it's talking to, and
"points" the antenna system electronically in order to give the best
range and sensitivity.

That sounds a lot like the access router has phased-array antennas.

Why not build a similar array into the laptop lid? Once it finds the
router and locks its main lobe onto it, stray signal available for
triangulation would drop drastically. Seekers would have to get lucky
enough to stumble into more than one of the sidelobes to triangulate.

The array would have to be rather larger then the typical couple of
stubs in the laptop lid; it'd probably take up the whole lid, and make
it a bit thicker, but so what; laptops are extremely thin these days.

This would also make signal dropouts less likely due to moving-
object-induced multipath distortion even for isotropic-antenna access
points. The laptop's array would be able to actively track the signal
as it shifted around from the laptop's POV; you know, that alone makes
the idea commercially viable. That would also make the sidelobes shift
around, making triangulation that much more difficult.

I really ought to patent this stuff.

Quote:
In effect, these access points are "triangulation ready".

Yeah, if the Black Hats have access to that, you're cooked. But, can
the antenna-aiming information for each client be accessed from the
router? I doubt that, since it has to be able to change on the fly.


Mark L. Fergerson

Green Xenon
Guest

Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:03 am   



Mark L. Fergerson wrote:
Quote:

That sounds a lot like the access router has phased-array antennas.

Why not build a similar array into the laptop lid? Once it finds the
router and locks its main lobe onto it, stray signal available for
triangulation would drop drastically. Seekers would have to get lucky
enough to stumble into more than one of the sidelobes to triangulate.

The array would have to be rather larger then the typical couple of
stubs in the laptop lid; it'd probably take up the whole lid, and make
it a bit thicker, but so what; laptops are extremely thin these days.

This would also make signal dropouts less likely due to moving-
object-induced multipath distortion even for isotropic-antenna access
points. The laptop's array would be able to actively track the signal
as it shifted around from the laptop's POV; you know, that alone makes
the idea commercially viable. That would also make the sidelobes shift
around, making triangulation that much more difficult.

How would having a phased-array on the laptop make it more difficult mak
it more difficult to triangulate me? I'm interested. This phased-arra
devices is another essential for my secure dream laptop because it wil
make it harder to link my profile with my identity.

Green Xenon
Guest

Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:47 am   



Quote:
I don't think anything you can do would be worth anyone's time and
effort to spy on. You're a fucking nutcase, what the hell is there to
spy on? Your Jon Slaughter archives?


The stuff I'd like to write in chat rooms is so perverse, deviant, an
taboo that society will want to figure me out and burn me alive.

Society will want to do more than just spy on me. Society will want to dra
me into the middle of the street and burn me to a crisp while a lynch mo
sadistically laughs at my slow, painful, yet sure death.

That is why I need so much protection.

Robert Baer
Guest

Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:36 am   



pimpom wrote:
Quote:
Green Xenon wrote:

In my secure dream laptop:

5. The OS is installed on ROM chips

Not quite that, but the Amiga desktop computer could run its OS -
called Workbench - with full GUI from a single 880KB floppy disk.
The 0.5MB ROM (called 'Kickstart') was an integral part of the
OS. The last major release of Workbench, before the company went
belly up, was v3.0 and took up all of 4MB HDD space fully
installed, but could still run from a single 880KB diskette with
24-bit graphics and 4-channel sound. It was fully plug-and-play
10 years before the plug-and-pray of Windoze 95.


The original IBM PC XT had BASIC in ROM and was useable with no

floppies ("cassette BASIC" is what they called it); it was designed that
way so that a potential buyer could start "cheap".

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