Multi-channel mixer design

In article <hkp9oa$v0m$1_at_news.eternal-september.org>,
N_Cook <diverse_at_tcp.co.uk> wrote:
After wrestling with (and bodging around) another batch of broken
control
pots, no more meatier than presets , 10x11mm footprint.

I suppose the makers order the pots and then their footprint in the
hundreds, determines the overall amp footprint to a large extent.

Pots even on very expensive pro mixers have always been a problem after a
while. The channel faders are made for a long life - or should be.
Nowadays it makes more sense to have solid state or software driven minor
controls. You can then use some form of rotary encoder if you want the
same sort of 'feel'.

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After wrestling with (and bodging around) another batch of broken control
pots, no more meatier than presets , 10x11mm footprint.

I suppose the makers order the pots and then their footprint in the
hundreds, determines the overall amp footprint to a large extent.

From my limited experience rotary encoders are even more problematic. I
suppose touch screens is the way it will go. Saw some report about auto/
expert systems coming in , so no sound man involved at all

In article <hkphkq$og9$1_at_news.eternal-september.org>,
N_Cook <diverse_at_tcp.co.uk> wrote:
From my limited experience rotary encoders are even more problematic. I
suppose touch screens is the way it will go. Saw some report about auto/
expert systems coming in , so no sound man involved at all

I use a Calrec assignable desk where most of the controls are shaft
encoders. It is way past its sell by date for pro gear - some 25 years
old, but they are generally reliable. Pots would have been changed many
many times in that sort of life - indeed it would have been scrapped long
ago because of things like that.

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Dave Plowman dave_at_davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Agreed. Much domestic audio equipment these days uses rotary encoders
driving electronic volume controls

and, whilst they do of course sometimes give trouble, overall, I would say
a lot less than conventional pots,

Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.

"Arfa Daily"

Agreed. Much domestic audio equipment these days uses rotary encoders
driving electronic volume controls

** Which has got nothing to do with a multi-channel mixing desks using
100 -
200 rotary pots - all of which need to have their setting obvious at a
glance.


and, whilst they do of course sometimes give trouble, overall, I would
say
a lot less than conventional pots,


** The cost of replacement is absurd compared to a simple pot.


Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.

** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a mixer
from becoming insane.

There is nothing wrong with the humble pot and linear fader, which unlike
encoders give * stepless * adjustment of levels with low THD and noise at
low cost.

Good quality ones with cermet or plastic tracks have an enormously long
life.


.... Phil

In article <7tbtejF24eU1_at_mid.individual.net>,
Phil Allison <phil_a_at_tpg.com.au> wrote:
Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.

** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a
mixer from becoming insane.

With pro gear, reliability, longevity and reduced maintenance can be more
important than initial cost. We're not talking Behringer here. ;-)

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Dave Plowman dave_at_davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Agreed. Much domestic audio equipment these days uses rotary encoders
driving electronic volume controls

** Which has got nothing to do with a multi-channel mixing desks using
100 - 200 rotary pots - all of which need to have their setting
obvious at a glance.

Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.

** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a
mixer from becoming insane.

Phil Allison

Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.

** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a
mixer from becoming insane.

With pro gear, reliability, longevity and reduced maintenance can be more
important than initial cost.

Phil Allison

With pro gear, reliability, longevity and reduced maintenance can be
more important than initial cost.

** Crap.

The usual life span of analogue desks is LESS than the typical life of
good faders and pots.

**Crap.

Pro gear can be ...

I know this because I've done it...

Amateur or semi pro stuff just doesn't get the same hammering.

The life span of "digital" desks is far less than for analogue - cos
they become obsolete in only a few years as the technology and hence
desirability moves forward.

FUCKWIT


A recording studio may well *have* to have the very latest as the clients
are so fickle.

With pro gear, reliability, longevity and reduced maintenance can be
more important than initial cost.

** Crap.

The usual life span of analogue desks is LESS than the typical life of
good faders and pots.

The life span of "digital" desks is far less than for analogue - cos
they become obsolete in only a few years as the technology and hence
desirability moves forward.

FUCKWIT

Dave Plowman (News) <dave_at_davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50e6d12a87dave_at_davenoise.co.uk...
In article <7tbtejF24eU1_at_mid.individual.net>,
Phil Allison <phil_a_at_tpg.com.au> wrote:
Another very great advantage that they have over conventional
pots, is that they can have multiple functionality under software
assignment.

** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a
mixer from becoming insane.

With pro gear, reliability, longevity and reduced maintenance can be
more important than initial cost. We're not talking Behringer here.

Is pro gear better protected from the effects of having beer etc spilt
into it?

Amateur or semi pro stuff just doesn't get the same hammering.

** The CUNT had never seen is disco mixer in his fucking life.