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bob urz
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Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:55 pm
Phil Allison wrote:
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"Dave Plowman
Phil Allison
Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.
** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a
mixer from becoming insane.
With pro gear, reliability, longevity and reduced maintenance can be more
important than initial cost.
** Crap.
The usual life span of analogue desks is LESS than the typical life of good
faders and pots.
The life span of "digital" desks is far less than for analogue - cos they
become obsolete in only a few years as the technology and hence desirability
moves forward.
FUCKWIT
..... Phil
Considering a Yamaha PM1D was in production for over 10 years does not
seem like
a few years to me. It was just recently discontinued. The Yamaha PM5D is
probably the most universal desk out in the wild now. The best Digital
desk is debatable.
I would have to agree on the long term life time after a line is
discontinued. Where analog desks use many common analog parts, most
digital desk use mostly proprietary DSP's, gate arrays and such.
once the original OEM runs out of parts, cannibalization is probably the
only way to keep them going.
The musician grade market under 10 is a crap shoot. And now that midas
is owned by the Chinese, who knows?
bob
Dave Plowman (News)
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:05 am
In article <hks7is$vf3$1_at_speranza.aioe.org>,
bob urz <sound_at_inetnebr.com> wrote:
Quote:
I would have to agree on the long term life time after a line is
discontinued. Where analog desks use many common analog parts, most
digital desk use mostly proprietary DSP's, gate arrays and such.
once the original OEM runs out of parts, cannibalization is probably the
only way to keep them going.
There can be problems getting pots and switches too for some analogue
makes. And they will be needed on most if heavily used.
--
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Dave Plowman dave_at_davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Arfa Daily
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:31 am
"Phil Allison" <phil_a_at_tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:7tbtejF24eU1_at_mid.individual.net...
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"Arfa Daily"
Agreed. Much domestic audio equipment these days uses rotary encoders
driving electronic volume controls
** Which has got nothing to do with a multi-channel mixing desks using
100 - 200 rotary pots - all of which need to have their setting obvious
at a glance.
and, whilst they do of course sometimes give trouble, overall, I would
say a lot less than conventional pots,
** The cost of replacement is absurd compared to a simple pot.
Another very great advantage that they have over conventional pots, is
that they can have multiple functionality under software assignment.
** Fact is, they must have this feature to keep the total cost of a mixer
from becoming insane.
There is nothing wrong with the humble pot and linear fader, which unlike
encoders give * stepless * adjustment of levels with low THD and noise at
low cost.
Good quality ones with cermet or plastic tracks have an enormously long
life.
.... Phil
For the most part, again, agreed. However, I was talking more in general
about the overall situation of rotary encoders, and their uses, particularly
in *domestic* audio equipment. And the ones in those items are no
more expensive than a conventional pot. Multiple task assignment for the
devices, on that sort of equipment, is more a matter of aesthetics, than
cost ...
Arfa
Phil Allison
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:57 pm
"Arfa Daily Fake TWAT "
Quote:
For the most part, again, agreed. However, I was talking more in general
about the overall situation of rotary encoders, and their uses,
particularly in *domestic* audio equipment.
** See the heading ?????????????????????
FUCKWIT !!!!
Quote:
And the ones in those items are no more expensive than a conventional pot.
** Utter BULLSHIT.
A pot does the ACTUAL business of attenuating the signal.
Wot sort of FUCKING IMBECILE are you ???
....... Phil
Arfa Daily
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:02 pm
"Phil Allison" <phil_a_at_tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:7tfoq8Fn7dU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Quote:
"Arfa Daily Fake TWAT "
For the most part, again, agreed. However, I was talking more in general
about the overall situation of rotary encoders, and their uses,
particularly in *domestic* audio equipment.
** See the heading ?????????????????????
FUCKWIT !!!!
And the ones in those items are no more expensive than a conventional
pot.
** Utter BULLSHIT.
A pot does the ACTUAL business of attenuating the signal.
Wot sort of FUCKING IMBECILE are you ???
...... Phil
Aw, c'mon Phil. You know that we already all love you for your charm, wit
and massive intellect. You don't have to keep reminding us with every post
you make. We're with you old buddy. We appreciate what a terrible strain it
must be, knowing everything about everything, and being the world's leading
expert on every subject that there is.
Piss off and take a break. We'll not think any less of you for it ... :-)
Arfa
Phil Allison
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:08 am
"Arfa Daily Fake TWAT "
** Piss off WANKER !!
Arfa Daily
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:10 am
"Phil Allison" <phil_a_at_tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:7th3l4FahuU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Quote:
"Arfa Daily Fake TWAT "
** Piss off WANKER !!
Oh you make me laugh, Philip ! You're *such* a wag !
Seriously though. Why are you so angry all the time ? Is it genuine mental
illness ? Regressive gene from your dubious heritage surfacing maybe ? Too
much sitting in front of the computer twanging your wire after you've tucked
your mum up in bed ? Too much kangaroo or sheep shagging ? Hmmmm ? All of
the above ? None of them ? Do enlighten us as I would like to better
understand your sad condition, so that I can find more appropriate ways to
laugh at you ... :-)
Arfa
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