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Joey.G
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:41 pm   



what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe

Dennis
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:41 pm   



"Joey.G" <jjoey.gold_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe



1) Tap around and find the stud or rafter behind it and use wood screws.
2) Use toggle bolts.
3) Use a sky hook.

atec77
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:58 pm   



On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:
Quote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe
plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit

them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

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atec77
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:13 am   



On 22/11/2011 9:25 AM, Joey.G wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 22, 9:58 am, atec77<ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:> what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe

plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

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I thought only Mains Power and Telecom required some with a cable
license to sign it off... Alarm is not Ethernet, Telecoms , or Power.
Can you sign a mandatory Australian standard or only a voluntary one.
The rules state if the device has the potentual to be connected to the

pots , and being an alarm it has that potentual

Quote:

My alarm contact advised just screwing the PIR's in without wall
plugs.... but I am be a latte cautious.
he's was wrong , plastic plugs or dabs of silastic work well in the

right hands
Quote:


I was hopping not to use wall plugs as the PIRs are very light ( a few
hundred grams) and there may be special screw that I can use.

again wall plugs
Quote:

I've googled and went to Bunnings , but they have mounting solutions
for heavy jobs
Joey
bunning are not the definitive solutions carrier , cheap shiity ones yes



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Joey.G
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:20 am   



On Nov 22, 12:21 am, "Dennis" <jon.do...@ithemorgue.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Joey.G" <jjoey.g...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:98652895-8fe0-46b8-9a05-5a0183068f86_at_e12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance  Joe

1) Tap around and find the stud or rafter behind it and use wood screws.
2) Use toggle bolts.
3) Use a sky hook.

Thanks... I thought of these.... the PIRs are very light and I have
hoping not to use heavy artillery (toggle bolts, sky hooks)
(I assume a a few hundred grams weight for the PIRs). The PIR mounting
hole is about 3mm in dia.

From a sensing point of view the PIRs are mounted in the top corner of
the corninesses to give full coverage of the room and there is no
wood behind,

I was hoping to use a special plaster screw that could do light jobs.

I rushed around Bunnings last nite and couldn't see anything special
as most are designed for heavy jobs.

Any other pointers appreciated.
Joey

Joey.G
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:25 am   



On Nov 22, 9:58 am, atec77 <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:> what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance  Joe

plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

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I thought only Mains Power and Telecom required some with a cable
license to sign it off... Alarm is not Ethernet, Telecoms , or Power.
Can you sign a mandatory Australian standard or only a voluntary one.

My alarm contact advised just screwing the PIR's in without wall
plugs.... but I am be a latte cautious.


I was hopping not to use wall plugs as the PIRs are very light ( a few
hundred grams) and there may be special screw that I can use.

I've googled and went to Bunnings , but they have mounting solutions
for heavy jobs
Joey

Geoff
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:30 am   



"Joey.G" <jjoey.gold_at_gmail.com> wrote in news:98652895-8fe0-
46b8-9a05-5a0183068f86_at_e12g2000pri.googlegroups.com:

Quote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe

These are the types of things you need, self drilling wall
anchors

http://www.anchor-fixing.com/products/Nylon-Easy-Drive-Anchor-
305743.html

Bunnings will have them. You just screw them in then use a small
self tapping screw to mount your PIR to them.

atec77
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:30 am   



On 22/11/2011 10:33 AM, kreed wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 22, 8:58 am, atec77<ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:> what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe

plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

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In QLD, you don't need that if its in your own property.

yes you do
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While its interesting that someone mentions telephone cabling, the
sham artists tend to try and bundle alarms etc into that category by
claiming that these products should be done to austel standards as
they connect to the phone lines (alarm diallers etc).
wrong information , nice try with the shame claim but a poor strawman



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kreed
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:31 am   



On Nov 21, 10:41 pm, "Joey.G" <jjoey.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance  Joe

Use those plaster screws. They are a large coarse threaded plastic
thing about 10mm diameter. You just screw it straight into the plaster
with a screwdriver, You then do a normal screw into the centre of it
once it is in the plaster.

If you ever need to permanently remove the device later, these will
just unscrew, and you can bog up the holes without much trouble.


Don't waste time with tape, or with those thin "plaster mount" plastic
things that come with smoke detectors and other sensors. (look like a
masonry plug) While some seem to work ok, I have had these fall out
over time as they are just too thin for the job.

kreed
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:33 am   



On Nov 22, 8:58 am, atec77 <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:> what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance  Joe

plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

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In QLD, you don't need that if its in your own property.

While its interesting that someone mentions telephone cabling, the
sham artists tend to try and bundle alarms etc into that category by
claiming that these products should be done to austel standards as
they connect to the phone lines (alarm diallers etc).

F Murtz
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:36 am   



atec77 wrote:
Quote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe
plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

Only if you are doing it professionally, anyone can do their own private

alarm wiring.

atec77
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:46 am   



On 22/11/2011 12:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
atec77 wrote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe
plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

Only if you are doing it professionally, anyone can do their own private
alarm wiring.
not according to acma

ask them unless under directio of a suitably qualified person

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F Murtz
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:44 am   



atec77 wrote:
Quote:
On 22/11/2011 12:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
atec77 wrote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe
plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

Only if you are doing it professionally, anyone can do their own private
alarm wiring.
not according to acma
ask them unless under directio of a suitably qualified person

I wonder if you could point me to the regulation that would stop me

installing a completely independent closed alarm system on my own property.
the only external connection may be a plug pack to charge the battery or
supply the electronics.

atec77
Guest

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:12 am   



On 22/11/2011 2:44 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Quote:
atec77 wrote:
On 22/11/2011 12:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
atec77 wrote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe
plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to
fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

Only if you are doing it professionally, anyone can do their own private
alarm wiring.
not according to acma
ask them unless under directio of a suitably qualified person

I wonder if you could point me to the regulation that would stop me
installing a completely independent closed alarm system on my own property.
the only external connection may be a plug pack to charge the battery or
supply the electronics.
acma has a copy of the regs , take a look at structured


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F Murtz
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:38 am   



atec77 wrote:
Quote:
On 22/11/2011 2:44 PM, F Murtz wrote:
atec77 wrote:
On 22/11/2011 12:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
atec77 wrote:
On 21/11/2011 10:41 PM, Joey.G wrote:
what type of screws or fixing do you suggest?

double sided tape?

thanks in advance Joe
plastic wall plugs , but if you don't know that allow your cabler to
fit
them as you need a permit to fit the pir's and cabling

Only if you are doing it professionally, anyone can do their own
private
alarm wiring.
not according to acma
ask them unless under directio of a suitably qualified person

I wonder if you could point me to the regulation that would stop me
installing a completely independent closed alarm system on my own
property.
the only external connection may be a plug pack to charge the battery or
supply the electronics.
acma has a copy of the regs , take a look at structured


Can't find anything to stop me.

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