Microwave brain scrambler?

Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:05 am   

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:47:07 -0800, Winston <Winston_at_bigbrother.net>
wrote:



*Snip*


The paper absrtract says-

Abstract
Monolayer cultures of human neuroblastoma cells were exposed to
915-MHz radiation, with or without sinusoidal amplitude modulation
(80%) at 16 Hz, at specific absorption rates (SAR) for the culture
medium and cells of 0.00, 0.01, 0.05, 0.075, 0.1, 0.5, 0.75, 1.0, 1.5,
2, or 5 mW/g. A significant increase in the efflux of calcium ions
(45Ca2+) as compared to unexposed control cultures occurred at two SAR
values: 0.05 and 1 mW/g. Increased efflux at 0.05 mW/g was dependent
on the presence of amplitude modulation at 16 Hz but at the higher
value it was not. These results indicate that human neuroblastoma
cells are sensitive to extremely low levels of microwave radiation at
certain narrow ranges of SAR.
Received: 16 September 1982; Revised: 14 July 1983

There's a real big difference between illuminating a single layer of
cells in a cultute & lighting up a brain's worth of cells in some
numbskull's er, um... skull.

Ampitude modulation? What's the mechanisum operating to de-modulate
the signal so it can affect the calcium channels? If there ain't no
demodulation happenig all you're getting is heating effect.

I note a distinct lack of corroborating followup studies over the last
28 years.




i.e.- Not Much.

H.

Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:40 am   

On 3/11/2010 3:05 PM, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:

(...)


How so?
All the necessary parts have been on the shelf for decades.
* Amplitude - modulatable Microwave oscillator up to ~10 GHz at <1W
* 16 Hz Audio oscillator
* Small parabolic antenna with pitch and yaw servo system
* Various waveguide bits

You don't need to illuminate the entire 3 lbs. at all.


If it were heat alone, then the effect should be more pronounced at
higher power levels. Efflux diminishes, instead.
I don't know *why* swamping the brain with a disingenuous EEG waveform
causes it to disregard the lower power signals coming
from the cells it should be listening to. It seems reasonable that
it would behave in that fashion, given the science.


Thanks, Howard.

--Winston

Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:59 am   

On 11/03/2010 15:28, Winston wrote:

"That big microwave dish that swung round and focused on me".
Lawyer for perp subpoenas all documentation on installation.


None.
It's cheaper to hand over a few hundred, or thousand, dollars than get
involved in the cheapest lawsuit.

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Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:45 am   

On 12/03/2010 05:23, Bill Beaty wrote:

What a total fucking idiot.

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Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:17 am   

On 3/11/2010 9:23 PM, Bill Beaty wrote:

At the proper modulation frequency and carrier amplitude,
one would probably lose all senses. One might move an
object, say a wallet from one pocket to another without
being aware of it. If the carrier were turned off soon
enough, one would remain standing but would be quite
disoriented and confused, as if waking from sleep.

It would take a couple minutes before one would be
completely conscious. Not a painful experience, but
quite unpleasant.


--Winston

Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:23 am   

On Mar 11, 3:40 pm, Winston <Wins...@bigbrother.net> wrote:

In other words, if you pulse-modulate a microwave oven, and pull the
magnetron out and lay it on your bench, will it knock you unconscious
when turned on? (Or distort your thinking, mimic psychoactive drug
effects, etc.?) If it doesn't work, just place your brain closer.

Do like this guy below. I love how the RF is overloading the audio in
his camcorder.

cornea-frying fun w/bare magnetron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_DKblzdbJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNu9o--NRNI



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Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:39 pm   

On Mar 11, 3:47 pm, Winston <Wins...@bigbrother.net> wrote:

I think you haven't done any background reading. This is the real
stuff, for what it is worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation

Microwaves would - at best - cook the brain, though the scalp and
skull would absorb a lot more of the power being directed at the head.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:43 pm   

On 3/12/2010 3:39 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:

(...)



I think we agree that one can induce current flow in portions
of the brain using direct electrodes, magnetic coupling or
induction from an electromagnetic wave. Of the three methods
in use, only electromagnetic coupling has any practical
potential for use as a security / entertainment tool to disable
bad guys or to seriously injure innocent customers and employees.
I expect that you understand the reasons why this is so.

I respectfully disagree about microwave's potential as a
carrier for the differentiated EMF offset necessary to carry
out this sort of manipulation. As it says in the article I
quoted, there is a 'window' of power level and modulation rate
(~1 mW/cm^2, 6-20 Hz) that swamps out the electrical signals normally
present in areas of the brain as part of their normal
function. The R.F. carrier appears to integrate an A.C. offset
in brain tissue capable of mimicking and replacing valid
signals of the type one would normally see presented on an E.E.G.

This is more sophisticated and subtle than mere tissue heating.
I find it significant, for example that the associated flow of
calcium in the subject tissue actually decreases as power level
increases out of the 'window' area of ~1 mW/cm^2 or at modulation
frequencies below 6 Hz or above 20 Hz.

Adey, W. Ross, Neurophysiologic Effects of Radiofrequency and Microwave
Radiation, Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine, V.55, #11, December, 1979

I agree that in Adey's experiments, only 147 MHz and 450 MHz RF
were used as a coupling carrier. That supports the theory that
carrier frequency itself is unimportant as long as any
amplitude offset can be integrated in brain tissue to form a
virtual electrode. At the risk of stating the obvious, a parabolic
antenna small enough to be concealed above a dropped ceiling
would be much more directional and effective with increasing
carrier frequency.


Thanks, Bill.


--Winston

Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:15 pm   

I've read quite a few 1960s and 1970s papers on this..

Its NOT a beam a AM signal and get reception thing. Nor will the
rumored 6.8 hz microwave pulses knock you over into a delirium.
The fields you need to get the effect in 99 percent of the population
are down right hazardous.
Read the studies of the radar system exposures.. All you get is a soft
click, click click... or buzz, at best.. Why? The tissue cannot
respond that fast.

The studies were done in a anechonic chamber for both RF and Audio...
Why? Because the audio levels were so low, to ensure they were heard,
the facility needed to be below normal ambient noise..

The sound is tiny shock waves bouncing off the inside of the skull
and microwave heating of the ear tissue. As you turn your head
relative to the source, which was usually a YAGI antenna about two
feet or less from the test volunteer, the effect diminishes so rapidly
as to be useless.

And while these fields will not be any where near enough to kill
consumer electronics, they will cause some minor disruptions. The
first person with a pacemaker (which are hardened) who has angina
(probably from the lousy food, such a place would serve) around this
thing would sue you into oblivion.

The antenna required is visibly huge. There is no hiding it, and you'd
have to hold it against your target's head.

I'm sure as hell not going to point you to any further explanation
because you obviously do NOT have a clue about RF safety,physical
effects, or morals..

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Steve

Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:47 pm   

On 3/12/2010 7:15 AM, osr_at_uakron.edu wrote:

If you mean 'reception' in the sense of the target perceiving
a sound, I agree. Indeed the subject would temporarily lose
the sense of vision and hearing, so no new information can be
received at all.


The modulation is closer to ~16 Hz (but on reflection is probably
a complex waveform for maximum effect). The target would lose control
over muscle movement and lose the ability to see or hear or sense
the passage of time. If the carrier is turned off within a second
or so, the subject would remain standing. I imagine that the
subject would fall to the floor if pushed because of the loss of
voluntary muscle control.


Yes, the R.F. field is hazardous immediately and the potential for
eventual leukemia, brain infection and DNA damage are increased
as well.

Why do you make a point about hazard? I don't understand
how that makes any difference at all.


The effect I mentioned is not 'microwave hearing'.

The effect is to temporarily deny a person sight, hearing, conscious
thought and muscle control. A bonus is to enhance the target's
susceptibility to disease such as cancer, brain infection and DNA damage.

This is not about 'clicking sounds'.

(...)


Consumer electronics are of no concern. The person targeted is of
no concern. Nothing but the entertainment of the restaurant manager
is of any importance at all.

You do agree, right?


How could that possibly happen?

The megacorporation that owns the restaurant also owns the plaintiff's
lawyer and the judge. How could such a lawsuit proceed, considering
that there is no evidence, and all parties are owned by the perpetrator.

You are confusing me here. Please explain?


The antenna is a small parabola (ca. 12" or less in diameter).
It (and the mechanism needed to steer it) fits very neatly above any
dropped ceiling. It would be effective against anyone in the
dining area of a typical restaurant. We need only 1 mW/cm^2, after all.


R.F. Safety:
I understand that this system would be dangerous to anyone targeted.
It would deny them control over their own body, at the minimum.

Physical Effects:
It has the potential to seriously harm anyone targeted, perhaps
reducing their immune response to serious illness as time passes.
It could kill someone easily (if not quickly).
I understand that.

I sense that you feel this is somehow improper or wrong in some way?

Morals:
I don't understand. What has that got to do with anything?
Please elaborate.


It's not a 'super weapon'. Just a little transmitter.


Thanks, Steve.


--Winston

Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:36 pm   

On 3/12/2010 10:02 AM, Bill Beaty wrote:

That idea is morally repugnant and inexcusable.
I'm saddened to think anyone would contemplate that.

I was talking about a tool for use by an organization that
is incapable of any sort of immorality or crime, because
they would never be accused, no matter who they attacked.

I don't own any judges.
Let's try to stay on the same page here. :)

--Winston

Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:46 pm   

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:47:07 -0800, Winston <Winston_at_bigbrother.net> wrote:

As long as the workers doesn't mind the effects on themselves.
Such toys invariable nail the owner more than any would be thief.

After you discover that the robber is actually a friend of the cashier
and joking around and you lay him on the ground, make plans to sell
off the business to pay legal costs and to spend a nice amount of time
in jail.

Put a revolver under the register if you have such a problem with
robbery.

Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:02 pm   

On Mar 11, 10:17 pm, Winston <Wins...@bigbrother.net> wrote:


So you're trying to invent the "Date-Rape Wand."

Emitter with a couple watts, built into your walking stick, held
behind the heads of victims you approach. Sell 'em on eBay.



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Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:23 pm   

Yup. The OP ought to dig back through the archives, and read up on
some of the cases where property owners have created dangerous or
lethal "man-traps" to deter burglary or vandalism.

Sometimes these end up killing innocent people... and the property
owners face manslaughter charges and massive civil lawsuits for
wrongful death from the families of those killed.

Sometimes these end up killing or injuring burglars and vandals... and
the property owners go to prison for manslaughter, and also end up
being sued by the burglars or their families.

In most jurisdications, it is *not* legally permissible to use deadly
or potentially-deadly force merely to protect property.


Equivalently-bad scenario: there *is* an armed robber, the manager
zaps him with hidden the "microwave convulsion beam", the robber
collapses... and the beam also hits a diner or two at the next table,
and *they* collapse or go blind or go into convulsions. Having two or
more people (one robber plus N innocents) affected in the same way, at
the same time, is going to clue *somebody* off to the fact that
something weird is going on!

The OP seems to be taking the position that "This isn't a crime,
because it won't be detected and the person the zapping can't be
accused." A parabolic or wave-guide microwave antenna of sufficiently
narrow beam-width to do this is *not* small or all that easily
concealed, especially if it's on some sort of pivot-able mounting and
is located somewhere which gives adequate coverage of a room. When
the police tape off the whole area as a crime scene, they'll almost
certainly find it... at which point, the manager will be in Very Deep
Trouble. Assault and battery, attempted murder, and illegal use of an
unlicensed transmitting device.


Or a Taser, or pepper spray.

In all of these cases, though, the chances of somebody ending up dead
are probably quite a bit less if nobody tries to play cowboy.

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Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:29 pm   

You dont get it! 1 mW/Cm^2 does NOT penetrate the skull with enough
power to do biological anything. Period, DENADA!

You must be the new green Xenon/Radium etc

Go away troll, you have NO clue about RF physics.

The effect of which you speak does not exist, or nobody would be
painting AM or FM transmitter towers with the power on... Which is
done all the time..

Steve