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Klaus
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Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:50 am   



Simble the best:

TVO/Rauma/Eurajoki/UPM-kymmene ottavat kaikkim keskeisemmät juoma-, käyttö-,
ja prosessivetensä siis systeemistä johon kuuluu pitkälti n. 1220km2
kokoinen Eurajoki ja 400km2 kokoinen Lapijoki. Systeemin koko tuotto jaetaan
noin kolmeen yhtä suureen kulutusyksikköönsä. Kyseessä on siis Rauman 25 000
henkilöä, Eurajoen 6 000henkee ja UPM-kymmenen paperintuotannot ja toki myös
KAIKKIEN TVO:n ydinvoimaloiden massiiviset prosessivesikulutukset ja muut.

Tiedoksi vaan niille, jotka haluavat esim. poistattaa Lapijoen
patosysteemeistä "jotain", koko vesiekon kapasiteetti oli aikoinaan vuosia
hajalla kun tuo Lapijoen pato oli paskana. UPM-kymmene, saati Rauman
kauppunki eivät kyenneet systeemiä stabiloimaan, vaan padon takuinen
massiivinen vesiallas kuivui kesäisin säännöstelemättöminä, ja likastui
suurtulviinsa muina aikoina. Veden pinta liikui siis Lapijoessa +2,5m
tulvasta -2,5m kuivumisiin. Tämä tilanne tarkoitti sitä, että
vesivarannmoista vajaa neljännes menetettiin padon toimimattomuuksiin
vuosikausiksi ilman nähtävää ratkaisua.

Kun Lapin patoon saatiin nykyinen hallittu koneellinen patokoneisto alueen
altaan pintavaihtelu kutistui kymmensenttiluokkiinsa. UPM-kymmene totesikin
pian ilokseen, että aiempana hätäratkaisunaan käyttämät yläjärvien kalliit
moninaiset säännöstelyt voitiin poistaa, koska joen vesistabiliteetti parani
niin merkittävästi toimistamme. Nyt tilanne on tosiaan se, että
alapuolivesiemme stabiliteetti auttaa kaikkia osapuolia niin massiivisesti,
ettei vesi ole ollut IKINÄ näin turvattua rajallisista reserveistään
huolimatta. Eli tosiaan tämä vaan tiedoksi niille, joista padot on pahasta.
Patojen suurin arvo on nimenomaan oleminen elämää tärkeimpänä
juoma/kastelu/prosessivarastona! Tilanne on täysin sama koko maailmassa.
YKSIKÄÄN maailman ydinvoimala, tuskin monikaan kaupunki ei saisi vesiään
ilman maankattavia massivisia vesisäännöstelypatoja. esim Espanjassa
TIPPAAKAAN jokivedestä ei malteta päästää meriin! Ja maan ydinvoimaloille se
on elinehto!! Nyt EU määrittelee jo samaa kaikkiin maihinsa. Toki vesialan
uhrautuvat työn varsinaisesti tekevät ovat vaatimattomuuttaan suotta hiljaa.
Heidän työstään nyt kun oikeasti pyörii prosessivesinä varovaisesti
arvioiden 50% maailman kansantalouksista!*** Ehkö tosiaan näitten
"ydinpatopuhkojien" olisi oikeasti viimein aika ymmärtää itse elämää.
Nimittäin 1600MW jäähdytetornillinen ydinvoimala kuluttaa yhtä paljon makeaa
jokivettä ilmaan, kun esim. Lapijoen voimala tuottaa keskimäärin
ydinaavikoituneessa maapallossamme!

JeffM
Guest

Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:18 am   



RF King wrote:
Quote:
FA: 4 Type N Female to Female Adapters
[SPAM]cgi.ebay[SPAM]

Travis Currier
AAA RF Products
Location: San Clemente, CA

Nortorious spammers.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=aaarfproducts&scoring=d&filter=0&num=100
Previously terminated by cox.net and rr.com.

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news:gs09h2t314vqa2is78p53ra21fscsilfoj_at_4ax.com

Jasen Betts
Guest

Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:09 pm   



On 2008-07-25, JeffM wrote:
Quote:
RF King wrote:
FA: 4 Type N Female to Female Adapters
[SPAM]cgi.ebay[SPAM]

Travis Currier
AAA RF Products
Location: San Clemente, CA

Nortorious spammers.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=aaarfproducts&scoring=d&filter=0&num=100
Previously terminated by cox.net and rr.com.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=aaarfproducts+bad+connectors+bad+delivery+nasty+service+not+recommended
news:gs09h2t314vqa2is78p53ra21fscsilfoj_at_4ax.com

Re: the subject line

I have a url for you, GoDaddy are who his domain name is registered
through. Here's their spam complaint form.
https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/spamreport/spamreport.asp

Network solutions host his website, and also (claim to) oppose spam.
but a google of: '"network solutions" spam' doesn't look promising
They don't list an obvious URL for spam reporting on their site,
but do list a free phone number (usa only) 1-800-333-7680 they have to pay
when you call this number. This is their gereral purpose contact form.
https://www.networksolutions.com/help/domain-service-request.jsp

Bye.
Jasen

Jasen Betts
Guest

Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:14 pm   



On 2008-07-25, JeffM <jeffm__at_email.com> wrote:
Quote:
RF King wrote:
FA: 4 Type N Female to Female Adapters
[SPAM]cgi.ebay[SPAM]

you can also complain to ebay, usenet abuse, and exposing real-world
contact info is against their policy, by posting here he has done
both.

Bye.
Jasen

John Savage
Guest

Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:21 am   



ppnerkDELETETHIS_at_yahoo.com (Phred) writes:
Quote:
In article <g4nhlh$2j3$7_at_yoda.apana.org.au>, Sheik Yerbhouti <sy_at_lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
Snapper <snapper1_at_y7mail.com.invalid> writes:

I have had my second thumbdrive fail. It's a 1 gig Imation. It started with
files in folders becoming corrupted. ie. one folder had a lot of stuff in it and
these weird files appearing. and Explorer cannot delete them either.

I have several Imation thumbdrives in various capacities and have
never had problems with them. However, I had symptoms similar to what
you describe with two Exigo units purchased from CitySoft about 18
months ago. (Probably why CitySoft had them on special at the time.
I suppose I could have fought the good fight and perhaps succeeded in
getting a credit or having them replaced; but it was easier, and in
some ways more satisfying, just to refrain from ever buying from
CitySoft again.)

I bought a 2GB Imation from the post office last week ($15). I could only
get it properly recognised about once in every 10 times I plugged it into
an XP laptop so I took it back. I didn't like it anyway, it didn't have a
LED so I couldn't gauge activity. Took about 30 mins to finally walk out
of the post office with my $15 refund. (Initially I got: "Sorry, we can
only return these to our supplier if they don't work at all.")

I went to Betta Electrical and got a 2G SanDisk for $16; they had 8G
advertised for $47.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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Udo Piechottka
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:56 am   



N Cook schrieb:
Quote:
Scenario:
a 300 watt toroidal transformer delivering 50-0-50 volts. If there was a
break in the output paths to load.
So say a current of 2 amps was interrupted, would a high DC voltage , much
higher than mains level, be generated momentarily across the primary ?



Yes. Due to the leakage inductance of a transformer a suddenly
interrupted current could cause a short voltage _spike_ but normally the
spike would be damped by the low impedance of the main voltage net or be
absorbed through the filter network normally found on the primary side.



- Udo

Jasen Betts
Guest

Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:28 pm   



On 2008-08-15, N Cook <diverse8_at_gazeta.pl> wrote:
Quote:
Udo Piechottka <UpNews_at_ifmd.de> wrote in message
news:g83jkc$gok$1_at_registered.motzarella.org...
N Cook schrieb:
Scenario:
a 300 watt toroidal transformer delivering 50-0-50 volts. If there was a
break in the output paths to load.
So say a current of 2 amps was interrupted, would a high DC voltage ,
much
higher than mains level, be generated momentarily across the primary ?


With no filter caps etc in place, straight off the mains, would you care to
put a figure on the peak voltage of the spike generated in the primary,
appearing at the primary , rather than down the supply feed ?
The secondary interrruption is abrupt due to a faulty broken connection that
sometinmes makes sometimes breaks.

The spike will be about big enough to stop all but the magnetising
current from flowing in the primary.

but you won't see much voltage spike on the mains.

Bye.
Jasen

Helmut Sennewald
Guest

Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:52 pm   



"N Cook" <diverse8_at_gazeta.pl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:g83b44$mmu$1_at_inews.gazeta.pl...
Quote:
Scenario:
a 300 watt toroidal transformer delivering 50-0-50 volts. If there was a
break in the output paths to load.
So say a current of 2 amps was interrupted, would a high DC voltage ,
much
higher than mains level, be generated momentarily across the primary ?


Hello,

You should be concerned about a high voltage spike and ringing at the
secondary
side when the current will be interupted, because of the stray inductance.
This high voltage will stress/damage devices directly connected on the
secondary side.
You will have no problem on the primary side as others already explained.

Helmut

Jamie
Guest

Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:48 pm   



N Cook wrote:

Quote:
Scenario:
a 300 watt toroidal transformer delivering 50-0-50 volts. If there was a
break in the output paths to load.
So say a current of 2 amps was interrupted, would a high DC voltage , much
higher than mains level, be generated momentarily across the primary ?


Yes.



http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

Jamie
Guest

Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:01 am   



Helmut Sennewald wrote:

Quote:
"N Cook" <diverse8_at_gazeta.pl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:g83b44$mmu$1_at_inews.gazeta.pl...

Scenario:
a 300 watt toroidal transformer delivering 50-0-50 volts. If there was a
break in the output paths to load.
So say a current of 2 amps was interrupted, would a high DC voltage ,
much
higher than mains level, be generated momentarily across the primary ?



Hello,

You should be concerned about a high voltage spike and ringing at the
secondary
side when the current will be interupted, because of the stray inductance.
This high voltage will stress/damage devices directly connected on the
secondary side.
You will have no problem on the primary side as others already explained.

Helmut


I don't want to get into it how ever, if the primary side was being

supplied via a thyristor type system for example, the primary would
see high voltage at times when the thyristor was in the off state if
proper use of caps to protect them aren't in place.

In many designs where thyristors are in play, a RC network is
coupled over the thyristor device. I guess the same could hold true
with non thyristor devices like MOS/IGBT/etc...


http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

JeffM
Guest

Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:03 am   



Travis wrote:
Quote:
[SPAM]
AAA RF Products
[SPAM]
San Clemente, CA


JosephKK
Guest

Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:15 pm   



On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:33:03 +0100, "N Cook" <diverse8_at_gazeta.pl>
wrote:

Quote:
Udo Piechottka <UpNews_at_ifmd.de> wrote in message
news:g83jkc$gok$1_at_registered.motzarella.org...
N Cook schrieb:
Scenario:
a 300 watt toroidal transformer delivering 50-0-50 volts. If there was a
break in the output paths to load.
So say a current of 2 amps was interrupted, would a high DC voltage ,
much
higher than mains level, be generated momentarily across the primary ?



Yes. Due to the leakage inductance of a transformer a suddenly
interrupted current could cause a short voltage _spike_ but normally the
spike would be damped by the low impedance of the main voltage net or be
absorbed through the filter network normally found on the primary side.



- Udo



With no filter caps etc in place, straight off the mains, would you care to
put a figure on the peak voltage of the spike generated in the primary,
appearing at the primary , rather than down the supply feed ?
The secondary interrruption is abrupt due to a faulty broken connection that
sometinmes makes sometimes breaks.


Not only is the primary still connected to a low impedance source, the
other half of the secondary is still connected to a load. This gives
paths for the field energy to go to. There will be a blip, just not
very large.

Gaetan Mailloux
Guest

Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:41 am   



Gaetan Mailloux (ba221_at_FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
Quote:
Hello


Anybody have those cds photoresistors; NSL-7540 and NSL7550 ?


Thank

Gaetan


Hello

It can also be those two other CDS photoresistors who can perfectly do the
job;

NSL-5160 , and , NSL-5170

Thank

Bye

Gaetan

Herman
Guest

Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:22 am   



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_________________
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