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Kevin Criqui
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



Very impressive Smile I wish I had video of the time a backhoe broke a
high pressure natural gas line outside my office a few years back. When
it finally ignited, it was also quite impressive!

Andre wrote:
Quote:
http://205.243.100.155/frames/mpg/XfrmBlast1.mpg

:)

-A


LesioQ
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



Would make a nice crescendo to a laser show.

Could try some remote beam ignition FX ... 1 gallon plastic fuel can
shot by series of BIG pulses .... ?
LesioQ

C What I Mean
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



You guys are all sick!... that transformer blow up wasn't some thing to
marvel over..... It didn't explode loud enough!....LOL!!!!


"LesioQ" <Piotr.Kucharski_at_stream.pl> wrote in message
news:1ed6861.0306270330.2c5170cb_at_posting.google.com...
Quote:
Would make a nice crescendo to a laser show.

Could try some remote beam ignition FX ... 1 gallon plastic fuel can
shot by series of BIG pulses .... ?
LesioQ


Precious Pup
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



"R. Steve Walz" wrote:
Quote:


Stealing begins and ends WHENEVER YOU cause a man to work more hours
for YOU than YOU do for HIM and try to call that a fair bargain!!!

I fell asleep. Remind me about what the fuck you're buzzing on and on about.

Precious Pup
Guest

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



Bill Sloman wrote:
Quote:


Go away and
try to learn what honest arguement involves.

Go away and try to learn.

Jonathan Kirwan
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:03:06 -0700, Precious Pup
<barking_at_wrongtree.org> wrote:

Quote:


"R. Steve Walz" wrote:


Stealing begins and ends WHENEVER YOU cause a man to work more hours
for YOU than YOU do for HIM and try to call that a fair bargain!!!

I fell asleep. Remind me about what the fuck you're buzzing on and on about.

It was actually a pretty deep point all by itself, if take the
careful time to think about it and remember your Western
Civilization courses. Transitions to sedentary groups had an
almost invarient social stratification which took place, then.
(Except, it appears, for the New Guinea population which also
invented agriculture about 7000 years ago and never did stratify
-- still rather egalitarian, there. Perhaps they just didn't
develop the gene others did.) Anyway, some people took
advantage of accidental providence or sheer strategy to place
themselves in better circumstances and to keep it that way.
It's easy to see how evolution may encourage that as a
successful phenotype. But social progress is often a matter of
opposing those natural tendencies -- certainly, the development
of the scientific method qualifies, in this regard.

Anyway, I hadn't been following any of these conversations
except to skip over them. But this one stuck out as a gem, all
by itself. Didn't even need a context.

Jon

Bill Sloman
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



Precious Pup <barking_at_wrongtree.org> wrote in message news:<3EFC791A.2B38A0A1_at_wrongtree.org>...
Quote:
Bill Sloman wrote:


Go away and
try to learn what honest arguement involves.

Go away and try to learn.

Go away, I wasn't talking to you.

You need to learn how to construct some kind of sequential arguement,
before we can get onto difficult concepts like "honest" and
"dishonest".

Actual Geek can more or less manage that (though his attention span
leaves something to be desired) and in this respect he leaves you
trailing in the dust.

-----
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

ActualGeek
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



In article <7c584d27.0306260958.589069db_at_posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman_at_ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

Quote:
ActualGeek <ActualGeek_at_no.real.address> wrote in message
news:<ActualGeek-D67C63.23481325062003_at_corp.supernews.com>...
In article <3EF8E351.1857_at_armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew_at_armory.com> wrote:

ActualGeek wrote:

snip

But this is typical for americas education system-- they don't teach
the
difference... in fact, I think not knowing the difference is their
educational goal.
------------------
You're a shit and a liar.
-Steve

You and I both know that I am the one who has been honest here

Your claim to "honesty" just means that you have either a poor, or a
very selective memory.

... which
is why I'm calm, while you are tearing your hair out.

Got any evidence for this claim? It is a lot to read into a seven word
declarative sentence.

It doesn't have to be this way.

You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Go away and
try to learn what honest arguement involves.


You are repeating my complaint against you back at me?

Sorry, that just shows I was right in the first place (And you're not
very creative.)

But then, if you had an argument in support of socialism (say, one that
doesn't involve pretending that walmart doesn't exist, or that
capitalism is failing in ways it isn't) you'd present it (we'd hope.)

Until you do, you have nothing.

ActualGeek
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



In article <3EFBAD73.3165_at_armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew_at_armory.com> wrote:

Quote:
ActualGeek wrote:

In article <3EF8DDED.7E92_at_armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew_at_armory.com> wrote:

Actually, I'm not ignoring it-- I'm pointing out that by eliminating
the
medium of exchange, you elimiante the division of labor, forcing people
to live a life uf subsistance.
--------------------------
Nonsense. Labor is the only medium of exchange, we keep track of our
social contribution of authorized labor hours by publically accessible
computers using simple secure servers software.

And when I refuse to participate, I assume you'll hunt me down and kill
me?
-------------------
We won't have to, you'll starve because you can't buy food without doing
your job.

On the contrary, here living in a land that is far from the workers
"paradise" you advocate, I am not starving. On the other hand, when
we've had starvation in the last 100 years, it was always when people
were trying to create the system you describe.

Funny how starvation is so closely correlated with socialism. Could it
be a coincidence? Or have you got a better explanation>?

Quote:
Except that many of the people subject to your system will be gladly
trading their un-AUTHORIZED labor with me for the commodities your
tyranny fails to provide them.
----------------------
Nope, they will be killed immediately by public torture and their
relatives forbidden to ever mention their name.

Yes, and after you kill everyone with ability, what will you do then?
Stalin did this and millions starved. There's that starvation again.

Quote:

And they will defend me and keep me
hidden-- they know a good thing when they see it.
-----------------------
We don't need a warrant to will do spot checks of absolutely everywhere.
You can live in a hole and eat bugs.

Ah, the totalitarian petty dictator comes out!

You must have some mighty insecurities to drive you to such a level of
psychosis!


Quote:
This has been tried, and BETTER! You knwo what they say-- those who are
ignorant of history are doomed to repeate stupid ideas on the internet.
--------------------------
Nope, hasn't. The methods are universal, that's what confuses you.
This will be a system nobody even WANTS to frustrate, you'll have
far too much to lose and so much to gain by cooperating. No rent,
no eviction, universal health, power, education, DSL and cable,
educational TV that isn't crap, no worries, simply work a part time
job in a pleasant surrounding and sign up for more work if you want
to buy a consumer item.

Yes, that's always the cumon with you guys. But as you admitted below--
there is no freedom in that society-- if you disagree, if you think
different, you will be hunted down and killed.

So, as you clearly indicate, you are offering slavery with allegedly
nice perks--- and you don't even have a way to show how there won't be
mass starvation as has happened in the past when people sold the very
same snake oil you're selling.

You're a psychopath-- you have repeatedly called for mass death, and
advocated the starvation, or execution of millions.

I've got news for you Steve, when you come to try and kill me, you will
be the one who dies.

Quote:
No landlords, no debt, no opression.

No freedom, no intellectualism allowed, nothing but oppression, and
death, is your proposal.

Quote:


The real question is, why do you want to enslave everyone?
---------------------------
Only the rich would see it as "enslavement", and only because THEY
would be forbidden to enslave others!! The rich see enslaving others
as some kind of a weird "freedom". That's a LIE!
Steve

Ah yes, if we only did what you told us, under penalty of death to do-
we'd truely be free!

Doing what we want is slavery, you say! Ha!

You're definately a psychotic. Just like all socialists... you're just
aren't hiding it very well.

ActualGeek
Guest

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



In article <3EFBB3E5.4DE8_at_armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew_at_armory.com> wrote:

Quote:
ActualGeek wrote:

In article <3EF8E31B.5CB6_at_armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew_at_armory.com> wrote:

ActualGeek wrote:

In article <3EF2CEFD.10EB_at_armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew_at_armory.com> wrote:

ActualGeek wrote:

IF you think Coca-Cola doesn't know how many cans of soda they sell
in
every zip code in the country, every week of the year, going back
decades-- so that they can predict exactly how many will sell next
week
using that data-- you're not thinking very well.
-----------------
That's NOT some Capitalist "magic", you know, all it takes is
delivery
records, those are independent of the economic system.
-Steve

Gee, yet you think even delivery records don't exist in capitalism!

How sad!
---------------------
No, moron, I said that capitalism has no claim of magical "unseen hand"
free-market joo-joo based on purchase and delivery records,
since EVERY system has that, even Communism!

-Steve

You can't even be honest about what you said, let along about what
others have said.
--------------------
You fucking liar, you try to twist out of every decent point of
discussion, you're no more than disingenuous dishonest scum.
-Steve


How can we have a discussion when you are never able to rise above
calling me names and threatening to kill me, and millions like me?

ActualGeek
Guest

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



In article <7c584d27.0306281505.24150f8_at_posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman_at_ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

Quote:
Precious Pup <barking_at_wrongtree.org> wrote in message
news:<3EFC791A.2B38A0A1_at_wrongtree.org>...
Bill Sloman wrote:


Go away and
try to learn what honest arguement involves.

Go away and try to learn.

Go away, I wasn't talking to you.

You need to learn how to construct some kind of sequential arguement,
before we can get onto difficult concepts like "honest" and
"dishonest".

Actual Geek can more or less manage that (though his attention span
leaves something to be desired) and in this respect he leaves you
trailing in the dust.

-----
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Getting back on the point.

Bill, you have failed to show how there's an information problem in
capitalism, and you haven't even tried to explain why we need to solve
it.

Finally, you would then need to explain how a centralized economy would
be able to do a better job than a distributed one... given that
distributed economies are successful because decisions get made at the
place where the people with the most understanding of the situation can
make the decision.

Every centrally planned economy in the history of the world has failed,
or been far less successful than less centrally planned economies of
similar conditions.

Just look at what's happened in India in the last 20 years since they
gave up central planning and curtailed government interference-- they
have doubled the incomes, on average, of a billion people.

They've done more in 20 years to defeat poverty-- using capitalism--
than all the socialist systems ever tried.

Frankly, capitalism is the cure for poverty, and it works every time.

Charles Schuler
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



"Andre" <testing_h_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2c2cf14c.0306261126.1597a8b2_at_posting.google.com...
Quote:
http://205.243.100.155/frames/mpg/XfrmBlast1.mpg

:)

So, what actually happened? Did a squirrel get into the substation? Or, a
golfer looking for a ball?. Never mind ... same thing.

Larry
Guest

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



"Idiots" huh?

I believe that name calling also violates the Usenet etiquette rules which
pretty much cancels out your opinion on the matter. Top posted for your
pleasure...

Larry

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter_at_thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:51:51 GMT, "C what I mean" <pythan_at_pacbell.net
Gave us:

LOL!!!


Why do all you idiots top post? This is usenet. I mean, I know
that it is easy to follow Bill and his stupidity with Outlook and
Outlook Express, but people please... BONE UP on usenet posting
protocols.




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Andre
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



"Charles Schuler" <charlesschuler_at_comcast.net> wrote in message news:<V_ScnWrEOoclzWKjU-KYvQ_at_comcast.com>...
Quote:
"Andre" <testing_h_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2c2cf14c.0306261126.1597a8b2_at_posting.google.com...
http://205.243.100.155/frames/mpg/XfrmBlast1.mpg

:)

So, what actually happened? Did a squirrel get into the substation? Or, a
golfer looking for a ball?. Never mind ... same thing.

The result after that lot, it would be difficult to determine who or
what caused it ! :)

-A

DarkMatter
Guest

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am   



On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:56:05 -0700, "Larry"
<nospam_at_sorry.wishididnhaveto.com> Gave us:

Quote:
"Idiots" huh?

I believe that name calling also violates the Usenet etiquette rules which
pretty much cancels out your opinion on the matter. Top posted for your
pleasure...


There is a big difference between protocol and etiquette, obvious
idiot.

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