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DavidW
Guest
Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:46 pm
Hello,
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a VCR. Its
purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where it is included in the
signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel On Demand movies). It works very
well for Macrovisioned PAL video but it doesn't work for Macrovisioned NTSC
video, although un-Macrovisioned NTSC video passes through it unaffected. Any
ideas why this would be the case and whether it should have been easy to design
it to work on both signal types? I suppose there's nothing I can do to get
around it other than bypass the VCR.
John Tserkezis
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:08 am
DavidW wrote:
Quote:
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a VCR. Its
purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where it is included in the
signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel On Demand movies). It works very
well for Macrovisioned PAL video but it doesn't work for Macrovisioned NTSC
video, although un-Macrovisioned NTSC video passes through it unaffected. Any
ideas why this would be the case and whether it should have been easy to design
it to work on both signal types? I suppose there's nothing I can do to get
around it other than bypass the VCR.
While I'm not fully clued-in on what's out there, I do know there are
different "versions" of Macrovision copy protection.
I can only guess that one would make boxes in both PAL and NTSC
flavours, it does not mean that said boxes cover ALL forms of
Macrovision protection.
The other question I have to ask, is since the tape is copy protected
(and that costs money), it's likely from a higher budget production
company (hollywood?), and if so, do you not have the means to use
torrents? You get DVD rips that are arguably as good as (if not better)
than tape copies.
Unless you're dealing with non-popular material, in which case that's
not an option...
--
I've got morals. I just don't know where they are.
DavidW
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:53 am
John Tserkezis wrote:
Quote:
DavidW wrote:
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a
VCR. Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where
it is included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel
On Demand movies). It works very well for Macrovisioned PAL video
but it doesn't work for Macrovisioned NTSC video, although
un-Macrovisioned NTSC video passes through it unaffected. Any ideas
why this would be the case and whether it should have been easy to
design it to work on both signal types? I suppose there's nothing I
can do to get around it other than bypass the VCR.
While I'm not fully clued-in on what's out there, I do know there are
different "versions" of Macrovision copy protection.
I can only guess that one would make boxes in both PAL and NTSC
flavours, it does not mean that said boxes cover ALL forms of
Macrovision protection.
The other question I have to ask, is since the tape is copy protected
(and that costs money), it's likely from a higher budget production
company (hollywood?), and if so, do you not have the means to use
torrents? You get DVD rips that are arguably as good as (if not
better) than tape copies.
The particular product that won't work is an NTSC version of the DVD box set of
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (seven seasons, about 40 DVDs). What pisses me off is
that I don't want to copy them. I only use the VCR as a switching box or
occasionally to play an old tape. I would have thought that the VCR could have
been made so the protection only comes into effect when you actually record
something, not when you are just using it as a pass-through device. I shouldn't
have to re-cable my equipment to get around this crap. Also, I read somewhere
that there are standards for video signals and that Macrovision deliberately
breaches them.
I haven't got into torrents at all yet. They sound like a pain. I want to watch
on the TV, not a computer, so I'd somehow have to get the stuff off the PC and
onto a DVD. Then there's finding the shows in the first place, download
problems, download cost, whatever conversions I'd need to do, etc., etc. Much
easier just to buy some DVDs.
kreed
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:20 am
On Nov 10, 12:53 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
Quote:
John Tserkezis wrote:
DavidW wrote:
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a
VCR. Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where
it is included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel
On Demand movies). It works very well for Macrovisioned PAL video
but it doesn't work for Macrovisioned NTSC video, although
un-Macrovisioned NTSC video passes through it unaffected. Any ideas
why this would be the case and whether it should have been easy to
design it to work on both signal types? I suppose there's nothing I
can do to get around it other than bypass the VCR.
While I'm not fully clued-in on what's out there, I do know there are
different "versions" of Macrovision copy protection.
I can only guess that one would make boxes in both PAL and NTSC
flavours, it does not mean that said boxes cover ALL forms of
Macrovision protection.
The other question I have to ask, is since the tape is copy protected
(and that costs money), it's likely from a higher budget production
company (hollywood?), and if so, do you not have the means to use
torrents? You get DVD rips that are arguably as good as (if not
better) than tape copies.
The particular product that won't work is an NTSC version of the DVD box set of
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (seven seasons, about 40 DVDs). What pisses me off is
that I don't want to copy them. I only use the VCR as a switching box or
occasionally to play an old tape. I would have thought that the VCR could have
been made so the protection only comes into effect when you actually record
something, not when you are just using it as a pass-through device. I shouldn't
have to re-cable my equipment to get around this crap. Also, I read somewhere
that there are standards for video signals and that Macrovision deliberately
breaches them.
I haven't got into torrents at all yet. They sound like a pain. I want to watch
on the TV, not a computer, so I'd somehow have to get the stuff off the PC and
onto a DVD. Then there's finding the shows in the first place, download
problems, download cost, whatever conversions I'd need to do, etc., etc. Much
easier just to buy some DVDs.
Dont need to worry about torrents, you can just go to a file download
search site like filestube.com, and there will be links to file
servers where you can directly download the file.
You then select "free" or "slow" download enter a 'captcha" and hit
download.
Of course, if you want to pay, you can download faster.
for example in your case:
http://www.filestube.com/search.html?q=buffy+the+vampire+slayer&select=All
Trevor Wilson
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:43 am
On 11/10/2011 1:53 PM, DavidW wrote:
Quote:
John Tserkezis wrote:
DavidW wrote:
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a
VCR. Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where
it is included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel
On Demand movies). It works very well for Macrovisioned PAL video
but it doesn't work for Macrovisioned NTSC video, although
un-Macrovisioned NTSC video passes through it unaffected. Any ideas
why this would be the case and whether it should have been easy to
design it to work on both signal types? I suppose there's nothing I
can do to get around it other than bypass the VCR.
While I'm not fully clued-in on what's out there, I do know there are
different "versions" of Macrovision copy protection.
I can only guess that one would make boxes in both PAL and NTSC
flavours, it does not mean that said boxes cover ALL forms of
Macrovision protection.
The other question I have to ask, is since the tape is copy protected
(and that costs money), it's likely from a higher budget production
company (hollywood?), and if so, do you not have the means to use
torrents? You get DVD rips that are arguably as good as (if not
better) than tape copies.
The particular product that won't work is an NTSC version of the DVD box set of
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (seven seasons, about 40 DVDs). What pisses me off is
that I don't want to copy them. I only use the VCR as a switching box or
occasionally to play an old tape. I would have thought that the VCR could have
been made so the protection only comes into effect when you actually record
something, not when you are just using it as a pass-through device. I shouldn't
have to re-cable my equipment to get around this crap. Also, I read somewhere
that there are standards for video signals and that Macrovision deliberately
breaches them.
I haven't got into torrents at all yet. They sound like a pain. I want to watch
on the TV, not a computer, so I'd somehow have to get the stuff off the PC and
onto a DVD. Then there's finding the shows in the first place, download
problems, download cost, whatever conversions I'd need to do, etc., etc. Much
easier just to buy some DVDs.
**What you need is a programme called DVDFab. It'll exactly what you
need and a whole lot more.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Phil Allison
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:33 am
"David Wanker "
Quote:
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a VCR.
Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where it is
included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel On Demand
movies).
** You still copy DVDs onto VHS tape ??
FFS why??
Blank DVDs are way cheaper ( like 30 or 40 cents each) than any VHS tape.
..... Phil
Trevor Wilson
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:27 am
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Quote:
"David Wanker"
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a VCR.
Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where it is
included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel On Demand
movies).
** You still copy DVDs onto VHS tape ??
FFS why??
Blank DVDs are way cheaper ( like 30 or 40 cents each) than any VHS tape.
**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12 months,
they'll have almost no choice in the matter.
I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Barry OGrady
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:16 pm
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:46:43 +1100, "DavidW" <no_at_email.provided>
wrote:
Quote:
Hello,
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a VCR. Its
purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where it is included in the
signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel On Demand movies). It works very
well for Macrovisioned PAL video but it doesn't work for Macrovisioned NTSC
video, although un-Macrovisioned NTSC video passes through it unaffected. Any
ideas why this would be the case and whether it should have been easy to design
it to work on both signal types? I suppose there's nothing I can do to get
around it other than bypass the VCR.
AnyDVD?
DavidW
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:17 pm
Phil Allison wrote:
Quote:
"David Wanker "
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a
VCR. Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where
it is included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel
On Demand movies).
** You still copy DVDs onto VHS tape ??
FFS why??
Blank DVDs are way cheaper ( like 30 or 40 cents each) than any VHS
tape.
Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.
Quote from my reply to John Tserkezis: " I only use the VCR as a switching box
or occasionally to __play__ an old tape."
DavidW
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:21 pm
Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.
I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.
Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them out or they
need a VCR.
Phil Allison
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:32 pm
"David Wanker "
Quote:
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a
VCR. Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where
it is included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or Foxtel
On Demand movies).
** You still copy DVDs onto VHS tape ??
FFS why??
Blank DVDs are way cheaper ( like 30 or 40 cents each) than any VHS
tape.
Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.
** But you did mention copying:
" Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection .. "
Macrovision only affects VCRs when RECORDING to tape.
Quote:
Quote from my reply to John Tserkezis: " I only use the VCR as a switching
box
** The you need to explain more - cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.
.... Phil
DavidW
Guest
Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:45 pm
Phil Allison wrote:
Quote:
"David Wanker "
I have a "Video Stabilizer" device inline with the video input to a
VCR. Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection where
it is included in the signal (in my case from a DVD player or
Foxtel On Demand movies).
** You still copy DVDs onto VHS tape ??
FFS why??
Blank DVDs are way cheaper ( like 30 or 40 cents each) than any VHS
tape.
Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.
** But you did mention copying:
But not that I was copying anything.
Quote:
" Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection .. "
Yes, so it's watchable. Macrovision copy protection doesn't stop you copying
anything.
Quote:
Macrovision only affects VCRs when RECORDING to tape.
It affects my Sony VCR whether recording or not. The Macrovisioned DVDs were
unwatchable just having the video pass through the VCR. I think a Panasonic I
had a while ago was the same.
Quote:
Quote from my reply to John Tserkezis: " I only use the VCR as a
switching box
** The you need to explain more - cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.
I explained enough for what I was asking. I want to remove Macrovision from the
video into the VCR. That's all. I know TVs are not affected. I was forced to
connect the DVD player directly to the TV to fix it, but I shouldn't have had to
do that. Going through the VCR gives me more flexibility, such as choosing audio
output to an amplifier or TV sound any time.
Phil Allison
Guest
Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:21 am
"David Wanker "
Quote:
Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.
** But you did mention copying:
But not that I was copying anything.
** Pedantic bullshit - like all your thinking.
Quote:
" Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection .. "
Macrovision only affects VCRs when RECORDING to tape.
It affects my Sony VCR whether recording or not.
** That is not usual.
Quote:
** The you need to explain more - cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.
I explained enough for what I was asking.
** You made everyone think you were recording to the VCR
- by failing to mention that you were not.
Fuckwit.
.... Phil
DavidW
Guest
Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:42 am
Phil Allison wrote:
Quote:
"David Wanker "
Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.
** But you did mention copying:
But not that I was copying anything.
** Pedantic bullshit - like all your thinking.
This from the most pedantic Usenet poster on the planet when it comes to trying
to wriggle out of erroneous posts with technicalities. Have you ever admitted a
mistake? Witness your use of "criteria" as singular a while back.
Quote:
" Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection .. "
Macrovision only affects VCRs when RECORDING to tape.
It affects my Sony VCR whether recording or not.
** That is not usual.
** The you need to explain more - cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.
I explained enough for what I was asking.
** You made everyone think you were recording to the VCR
Irrelevant. I asked on an electronics ng why an electronic Macrovision-removing
device does not work with NTSC. I mentioned the VCR only for background, since
if the signal were not going into a copying device I would not need the video
stabilizer at all. Even if I were copying, what difference should that make to
the answers? I described the setup and asked a question pertaining to the
behaviour of a device _in that setup_.
keithr
Guest
Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:00 am
On 11/11/2011 9:21 AM, DavidW wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.
I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.
Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them out or they
need a VCR.
For about $40 you can get a little gadget with 3 RCAs on one side and a
USB plug on the other that converts whatever video comes in to DVD via
your PC. I'll chuck the pile of tapes and the VCR when I get around to
doing it :)
PS Of course the result looks just a shitty as the original did, but we
didn't know any better in those days.
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