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Sylvia Else
Guest

Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:05 am   



On 5/02/2010 5:28 PM, JosephKK wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:08:20 +1100, Sylvia Else<sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Boeings have crashed as well.

Sylvia.

By track record, the early Airbus 300s and 310s had an excessive landing
crash rates due to design vs training problems with the digital flight
controls which were very modal. This has since been resolved.

The A300 and A310 had conventional controls.

Sylvia.

Mycelium
Guest

Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:13 am   



On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:28:07 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:08:20 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Boeings have crashed as well.

Sylvia.

By track record, the early Airbus 300s and 310s had an excessive landing
crash rates due to design vs training problems with the digital flight
controls which were very modal. This has since been resolved.


When landing, big planes have what they refer to as a squish area right
as they fall in over the runway.

The C-17, having "blown flaps" experiences exactly ZERO lead in
'squish', so it fools the hell out of every first time C-17 pilot,
especially if previously experienced with big craft.

Nico Coesel
Guest

Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:46 pm   



Sylvia Else <sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

Quote:
On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico_at_nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

JosephKK
Guest

Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:36 am   



On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:05:21 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

Quote:
On 5/02/2010 5:28 PM, JosephKK wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:08:20 +1100, Sylvia Else<sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Boeings have crashed as well.

Sylvia.

By track record, the early Airbus 300s and 310s had an excessive landing
crash rates due to design vs training problems with the digital flight
controls which were very modal. This has since been resolved.

The A300 and A310 had conventional controls.

Sylvia.

I am certain about digital flight controls in the case of the A310.
It was regular reading in comp.risks.

Mycelium
Guest

Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:09 am   



On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:

Quote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.


Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.

Sylvia Else
Guest

Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:12 am   



On 6/02/2010 12:36 PM, JosephKK wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:05:21 +1100, Sylvia Else<sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 5/02/2010 5:28 PM, JosephKK wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:08:20 +1100, Sylvia Else<sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Boeings have crashed as well.

Sylvia.

By track record, the early Airbus 300s and 310s had an excessive landing
crash rates due to design vs training problems with the digital flight
controls which were very modal. This has since been resolved.

The A300 and A310 had conventional controls.

Sylvia.

I am certain about digital flight controls in the case of the A310.
It was regular reading in comp.risks.

If, as I assume, we're talking about fly-by-wire controls, they first
appeared on the A320. The A310 was really just an A300 derivative.

Sylvia.

Archimedes' Lever
Guest

Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:25 am   



On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:36:20 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:05:21 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 5/02/2010 5:28 PM, JosephKK wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:08:20 +1100, Sylvia Else<sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:


http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.


Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Boeings have crashed as well.

Sylvia.

By track record, the early Airbus 300s and 310s had an excessive landing
crash rates due to design vs training problems with the digital flight
controls which were very modal. This has since been resolved.

The A300 and A310 had conventional controls.

Sylvia.

I am certain about digital flight controls in the case of the A310.
It was regular reading in comp.risks.


Big Endian Chief say "You haveum pow-wow to decide crash or reset?"

"Death or Chi Chi?"

Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Guest

Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:52 am   



Yes. But it sucks less than the alternatives.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul_at_Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacred cows make the best hamburger. -- Mark Twain

Michael
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:23 am   



On Feb 5, 8:09 pm, Mycelium
<mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nos...@nowhere.com>  wrote:

http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
                           ^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.

Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

 Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.


We flew through a typhoon on the way to Manila from Mindanao on an
Airbus (A319 I think). I was very impressed that the wings managed to
stay attached to the aircraft.

Michael

Mycelium
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:18 am   



On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:22 -0800 (PST), Michael <mrdarrett_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Feb 5, 8:09 pm, Mycelium
mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nos...@nowhere.com>  wrote:

http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
                           ^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.

Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

 Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.


We flew through a typhoon on the way to Manila from Mindanao on an
Airbus (A319 I think). I was very impressed that the wings managed to
stay attached to the aircraft.

Michael


Boeing now owns McDonnell Douglas as well, and IIRC, it was their craft
that were made into the Hurricane trekkers

Michael
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:49 am   



On Feb 9, 8:18 pm, Mycelium
<mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:22 -0800 (PST), Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com
wrote:



On Feb 5, 8:09 pm, Mycelium
mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nos...@nowhere.com>  wrote:

http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
                           ^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.

Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

 Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.

We flew through a typhoon on the way to Manila from Mindanao on an
Airbus (A319 I think).  I was very impressed that the wings managed to
stay attached to the aircraft.

Michael

  Boeing now owns McDonnell Douglas as well, and IIRC, it was their craft
that were made into the Hurricane trekkers


Oh well that's... just... great. And I'm happy I'm not a crew member
on one of those trekker missions. I'm really not a happy camper when
the plane flies sideways.

Phil Hobbs
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:20 pm   



On 2/9/2010 11:18 PM, Mycelium wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:22 -0800 (PST), Michael<mrdarrett_at_gmail.com
wrote:

On Feb 5, 8:09 pm, Mycelium
mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
Sylvia Else<syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:

http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.

Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.


We flew through a typhoon on the way to Manila from Mindanao on an
Airbus (A319 I think). I was very impressed that the wings managed to
stay attached to the aircraft.

Michael


Boeing now owns McDonnell Douglas as well, and IIRC, it was their craft
that were made into the Hurricane trekkers

Lockheed WC130s. http://www.hurricanehunters.com/

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

keithw86@gmail.com
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:51 pm   



On Feb 10, 11:20 am, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Quote:
On 2/9/2010 11:18 PM, Mycelium wrote:



On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:22 -0800 (PST), Michael<mrdarr...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Feb 5, 8:09 pm, Mycelium
mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org>  wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
Sylvia Else<syl...@not.at.this.address>  wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nos...@nowhere.com>    wrote:

http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
                            ^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.

Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression..
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

  Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.

We flew through a typhoon on the way to Manila from Mindanao on an
Airbus (A319 I think).  I was very impressed that the wings managed to
stay attached to the aircraft.

Michael

   Boeing now owns McDonnell Douglas as well, and IIRC, it was their craft
that were made into the Hurricane trekkers

Lockheed WC130s.  http://www.hurricanehunters.com/

NOAA uses Lockheed P3 Orions, and a Gulfstream G-IV (for AlBore, no
doubt Wink.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/grounders/hurricanehunters.html

Mycelium
Guest

Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:44 am   



On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:51:43 -0800 (PST), "keithw86_at_gmail.com"
<keithw86_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Feb 10, 11:20 am, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2/9/2010 11:18 PM, Mycelium wrote:



On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:23:22 -0800 (PST), Michael<mrdarr...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Feb 5, 8:09 pm, Mycelium
mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org>  wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:46:18 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
Sylvia Else<syl...@not.at.this.address>  wrote:

On 3/02/2010 5:44 AM, Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky<nos...@nowhere.com>    wrote:

http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG

This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
                            ^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.

Airbuses have been very safe. Just because there was a crash of one a
while back doesn't make them unsafe.

Its not just about safety. Airbus airplanes make a crappy impression.
Very little space for hand luggage. Small toilets. Everthing looks
like it is going to fall apart from just looking at it.

  Boeings are the Chevrolets (or Cadillacs), Airbuses are Fords.

We flew through a typhoon on the way to Manila from Mindanao on an
Airbus (A319 I think).  I was very impressed that the wings managed to
stay attached to the aircraft.

Michael

   Boeing now owns McDonnell Douglas as well, and IIRC, it was their craft
that were made into the Hurricane trekkers

Lockheed WC130s.  http://www.hurricanehunters.com/

NOAA uses Lockheed P3 Orions, and a Gulfstream G-IV (for AlBore, no
doubt Wink.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/grounders/hurricanehunters.html



Well, as long as Boeing and McDD have been around, I would think their
wings would hold up as well.

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