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Joel Koltner
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:44 pm
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
Nice... although I don't think any amount of rebooting is going to fix that.
:-)
I took a 777 to New Zealand some 4 or so years ago now, and the inflight
entertainment system was the pits (I don't know the OS it was running): Very
slow to respond, and if you pressed buttons too fast it would freeze up and
the flight attendent would have to reset the system for you. At the beginning
of the flight they specifically told people to push buttons very deliberately
and slowly if they wanted it to work. I kinda wonder if it's been improved
yet or not...
---Joel
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:06 pm
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:02:24 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote:
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
That only shows that Linux (the kernel) is working well. It is even
telling, what is going wrong. (Missing files)
Falk
More like missing volume(s).
That only shows that Linux (the kernel) is working well. It is even
telling, what is going wrong. (Missing files)
Falk
More like missing volume(s).
/dev/loop0 is a loopback device, i.e. a file treated as a block device.
From the limited information in the picture, I'd guess that everything
(including the boot image) is on a file server, and the server's either
down or unreachable.
Having this kind of "appliance" log boot errors to the screen is pretty
lame, though, as is not simply aborting when the initrd can't be mounted.
Nico Coesel
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:44 pm
Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
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Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:54 pm
Nico Coesel wrote:
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Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
The passenger entertainment system isn't built by Airbus. Each airline
specifies what they want and it may very well be the same manufacturer
that builds systems for some Boeing planes.
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"Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes."
(If you can read this, you're overeducated.)
Archimedes' Lever
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:09 pm
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:02:54 +0000, baron
<baron.nospam_at_linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
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Archimedes' Lever Inscribed thus:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:25:43 +0000, baron
baron.nospam_at_linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky Inscribed thus:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No
movies
for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of rebooting
it for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining
BTW, the TV
remote control had some bugs as well.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
Hard drive failure !
NAS server failure more likely.
Either way it can't find what its looking for.
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:25:43 +0000, baron
baron.nospam_at_linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky Inscribed thus:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No
movies
for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of rebooting
it for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining
BTW, the TV
remote control had some bugs as well.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
Hard drive failure !
NAS server failure more likely.
Either way it can't find what its looking for.
A quality airframe?
BOEING! (a play on the word boing!)
Capt. Cave Man
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:12 pm
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:06:43 +0000, Nobody <nobody_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
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/dev/loop0 is a loopback device, i.e. a file treated as a block device.
It is on a volume. It is merely a compressed and/or encrypted volume.
Like you said, a file.
cloop is a nice utility. Knoppix used it. Don't know if they still
do. They switched a couple releases ago, but I cannot remember from what
to what.
Capt. Cave Man
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:14 pm
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:44:44 GMT, nico_at_puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
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Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
I almost said the same thing.
Bitrex
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:33 am
Sylvia Else wrote:
Quote:
On 2/02/2010 3:10 PM, Martin Riddle wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky"<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No
movies for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of
rebooting it for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining BTW,
the TV remote control had some bugs as well.
It's great when it works, if you get that far. but, its very easy for
the average Joe to break.
In this application, booting the system off a DVD drive, and having two
drives (or two computers), and spare boot DVDs would seem the way to go.
Nothing like unwritable media for guaranteeing that things don't get
stuffed up after they're working (provided the BIOS settings are left
alone).
The failure to find an ext2 filesystem on a loopback device doesn't
really sound to me like an application problem.
But I'm not sympathetic to the subject line premise, having spent three
days recovering from the mess that occurred after letting Windows XP do
one of its overly frequent security updates - it would no longer boot -
and my reinstall attempts failed as well due to Windows XP in its pre
SP1 form being incapable of driving my present hardware (that took a
while to realise, because it kept looking like a HDD problem or
motherboard problem).
Sylvia.
"Vladimir Vassilevsky"<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No
movies for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of
rebooting it for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining
BTW,
the TV remote control had some bugs as well.
It's great when it works, if you get that far. but, its very easy for
the average Joe to break.
In this application, booting the system off a DVD drive, and having two
drives (or two computers), and spare boot DVDs would seem the way to go.
Nothing like unwritable media for guaranteeing that things don't get
stuffed up after they're working (provided the BIOS settings are left
alone).
The failure to find an ext2 filesystem on a loopback device doesn't
really sound to me like an application problem.
But I'm not sympathetic to the subject line premise, having spent three
days recovering from the mess that occurred after letting Windows XP do
one of its overly frequent security updates - it would no longer boot -
and my reinstall attempts failed as well due to Windows XP in its pre
SP1 form being incapable of driving my present hardware (that took a
while to realise, because it kept looking like a HDD problem or
motherboard problem).
Sylvia.
One of the advantages of Windows 7 and Vista is the built in ability to
save a complete system image and restore directly from the install disc,
a la Norton Ghost. Windows XP is really getting to be a dinosaur
compared to Windows 7 and some of the Linux distros, and I think that if
one absolutely has to run it it's best consigned to a VM, unless there
is some particular piece of hardware that is essential for the machine's
purpose and doesn't work with the VM passthrough.
Nico Coesel
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:26 am
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul_at_Hovnanian.com> wrote:
Quote:
Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
The passenger entertainment system isn't built by Airbus. Each airline
specifies what they want and it may very well be the same manufacturer
that builds systems for some Boeing planes.
Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
The passenger entertainment system isn't built by Airbus. Each airline
specifies what they want and it may very well be the same manufacturer
that builds systems for some Boeing planes.
Yes, but the French always cut corners when it comes to electronics.
Just look at car reliability lists. French cars are always at the
bottom. If you order crap from a manufacturer you'll get crap.
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Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico_at_nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:07 am
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul_at_Hovnanian.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Quote:
Nico Coesel wrote:
Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
The passenger entertainment system isn't built by Airbus. Each airline
specifies what they want and it may very well be the same manufacturer
that builds systems for some Boeing planes.
--
Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
^^^^^^
You shouldn't be flying in a French airplane. I avoid flying with an
Airbus if I can.
The passenger entertainment system isn't built by Airbus. Each airline
specifies what they want and it may very well be the same manufacturer
that builds systems for some Boeing planes.
--
In fact I was in an MD11, certainly it was outfitted only lately and the
same happened. It seems to be related to the carrier not the plane.
Sylvia Else
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:06 am
On 3/02/2010 12:09 AM, Capt. Cave Man wrote:
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On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:16:54 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:
On 2/02/2010 3:10 PM, Martin Riddle wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky"<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No
movies for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of
rebooting it for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining BTW,
the TV remote control had some bugs as well.
It's great when it works, if you get that far. but, its very easy for
the average Joe to break.
In this application, booting the system off a DVD drive, and having two
drives (or two computers), and spare boot DVDs would seem the way to go.
Bullshit.
sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:
On 2/02/2010 3:10 PM, Martin Riddle wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky"<nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No
movies for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of
rebooting it for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining
BTW,
the TV remote control had some bugs as well.
It's great when it works, if you get that far. but, its very easy for
the average Joe to break.
In this application, booting the system off a DVD drive, and having two
drives (or two computers), and spare boot DVDs would seem the way to go.
Bullshit.
Allways a compelling argument that one. Pehaps that's why so many people
use it.
Solid state drives or regular old hard drives.
Quote:
Nothing like unwritable media for guaranteeing that things don't get
stuffed up after they're working (provided the BIOS settings are left
alone).
That's what boot volumes and the like are for. Connection OS is not
from an optical disc.
At the end of the day, any medium that is capable of being written can
be written in error, or as the result of a malicious act. Short of
physically removing the write circuitry from a HDD, you cannot obviate
the possibility that the data on the disk will be corrupted in a way
that is not subsequently detected by the hardware, but instead manifests
as strange software behaviour.
Quote:
The failure to find an ext2 filesystem on a loopback device doesn't
really sound to me like an application problem.
It was still booting, but the volume could not be found, so it sounds
like a failed external storage server has failed.
But I'm not sympathetic to the subject line premise, having spent three
days recovering from the mess that occurred after letting Windows XP do
one of its overly frequent security updates
You come in the group and act overly uneducated in the computing realm,
so what is different?
- it would no longer boot -
and my reinstall attempts failed as well due to Windows XP in its pre
SP1 form being incapable of driving my present hardware (that took a
while to realise, because it kept looking like a HDD problem or
motherboard problem).
You and your IT dept has never heard of slipstreaming? Jeez, you can
even DL slipstreamed discs with the most recent SP built in. Your
specialized drivers as well (if needed).
My IT dept?
Quote:
You one of those "re-install everything, hopelessly fail and blame it
on Redmond" twits, aren't ya?
on Redmond" twits, aren't ya?
Where did I say I was blaming Microsoft? Do you think that "after" means
"as a consequence of" ?
Sylvia.
Capt. Cave Man
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:38 am
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:06:13 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia_at_not.at.this.address> wrote:
Quote:
At the end of the day, any medium that is capable of being written can
be written in error, or as the result of a malicious act. Short of
physically removing the write circuitry from a HDD, you cannot obviate
the possibility that the data on the disk will be corrupted in a way
that is not subsequently detected by the hardware, but instead manifests
as strange software behaviour.
Bwuahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahaha!
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:30 am
"Greegor" <greegor47_at_gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Quote:
So after reading this whole thread so far, it looks
like the error messages are the result of
the unit being deprived of a server/drive.
That's probably not an OS problem.
The application programmers likely
could have converted the somewhat
cryptic file error messages into a
more human suggestion that the
server is not available.
That the crew even BOTHERS to try to
get it to work implies that it sometimes
does work, meaning it's a reliability
issue.
Is it the application software people's
fault if there are problems accessing
a networked drive?
Perhaps a network might help for the
output to the multiple screens on the plane
(working apparently) but why would they
want the head end to be dependent on
a server that seems to be so unreliable?
If this had been a Microsoft OS computer
there is no guarantee that the error
messages would be much less cryptic.
Regardless of the OS, Why is the
builder/airline tolerating such crap?
What is the topology and how would this
work if it was working correctly?
Would every monitor on the plane be
playing the same movie at the same time
or would it allow for more choices and timing?
If done in Linux there would likely not be
an OS license/charge for every workstation
like there would if it was MS based, right?
like the error messages are the result of
the unit being deprived of a server/drive.
That's probably not an OS problem.
The application programmers likely
could have converted the somewhat
cryptic file error messages into a
more human suggestion that the
server is not available.
That the crew even BOTHERS to try to
get it to work implies that it sometimes
does work, meaning it's a reliability
issue.
Is it the application software people's
fault if there are problems accessing
a networked drive?
Perhaps a network might help for the
output to the multiple screens on the plane
(working apparently) but why would they
want the head end to be dependent on
a server that seems to be so unreliable?
If this had been a Microsoft OS computer
there is no guarantee that the error
messages would be much less cryptic.
Regardless of the OS, Why is the
builder/airline tolerating such crap?
What is the topology and how would this
work if it was working correctly?
Would every monitor on the plane be
playing the same movie at the same time
or would it allow for more choices and timing?
If done in Linux there would likely not be
an OS license/charge for every workstation
like there would if it was MS based, right?
No, they made it work after 20min. IMHO the pilots probably had to switch on
a supply for the Video server or something that is shut down on ground.
The system is quite sophisticated, you can choose between lots of movies or
games and when there are announcements it stops and switches over, you can
stop the film to eat and continue.
Greegor
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:57 am
So after reading this whole thread so far, it looks
like the error messages are the result of
the unit being deprived of a server/drive.
That's probably not an OS problem.
The application programmers likely
could have converted the somewhat
cryptic file error messages into a
more human suggestion that the
server is not available.
That the crew even BOTHERS to try to
get it to work implies that it sometimes
does work, meaning it's a reliability
issue.
Is it the application software people's
fault if there are problems accessing
a networked drive?
Perhaps a network might help for the
output to the multiple screens on the plane
(working apparently) but why would they
want the head end to be dependent on
a server that seems to be so unreliable?
If this had been a Microsoft OS computer
there is no guarantee that the error
messages would be much less cryptic.
Regardless of the OS, Why is the
builder/airline tolerating such crap?
What is the topology and how would this
work if it was working correctly?
Would every monitor on the plane be
playing the same movie at the same time
or would it allow for more choices and timing?
If done in Linux there would likely not be
an OS license/charge for every workstation
like there would if it was MS based, right?
JosephKK
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:12 am
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:02:21 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam_at_nowhere.com> wrote:
Quote:
http://www.abvolt.com/misc/A330-200_Linux.JPG
This is the TV console of A330 en route from Amsterdam to US. No movies
for the whole plane. However, watching their attempts of rebooting it
for an hour and a half was kind of entertaining
BTW, the TV remote
control had some bugs as well.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
And how many of those have been posted as compared to similar conditions
M$ systems failing? 10,000:1? Try stupid operators suck instead.
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