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George Herold
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:45 pm   



On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 9:03:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Quote:
On 1/1/19 6:08 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:24:14 PM UTC-5, mkr5000 wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 9:33:43 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
It seems so.


I wanted to see more info about the rally that Hillary Clinton had in
Canada (few showed up) and searched google with Hillarys canadian rally
flop.
Of the first 20 hits 4 were off topic, (Car rallys, book).
7 hits that were about Hillary and 8 were negative articles about Trump.
I think Google might be shaping their search engine to put Trump
in a negative light.

I did the same in DuckDuckgo, 9 hits on Hillary, 10 hits that were
either off topic, irrelevant or a poll result, and 1 hit about
Trump and it was quoting what he said about Hillary and the boarder.

I think it's time to reshape Google.


I was looking for this info I heard about poor attendance at my
morning coffee meetup, but never saw anything in the media about it.

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/not-interested-bill-and-hillarys-speaking-tour-flops-barely-fills-17-percent-of-arena/

I had to change Rally to fundraiser to find this.
Mikek

NO. Trump is.

Look, I held my nose and voted for several Clintons.
I hope they never darken my ballot again.

'thread bend',
I had this political epiphany.
I was listening to Bret Weinstein, (How the magic trick is done)
he talked about two political axes, left and right on the horizontal
and libertarian/ authoritarian on the vertical.
He describes himself as a left/ libertarian,
and he gets along fine with right/ libertarians.
(at least in the current political environs)

Which describes pretty much how I feel..
(left/libertarian)

Does that mean I'll have to give up google and amazon?

George H.


I mostly did already.
Ah, you're a better man than I am Gunga Phil. :^)


George H.
Quote:

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
https://hobbs-eo.com


Cursitor Doom
Guest

Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:45 pm   



On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

> I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.



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Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:45 am   



On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 5:40:07 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.


Google is a useful tool. It will often take you where you want to go, but it can take you off in irrelevant directions and you do have to pay attention to what you are being shown, and what it reveals about what the search engine had decided about what you were looking for. You do have to come up with different search strings from time to time - if you've chanced on one that somebody like Cursitor Doom might have entered you get offered very low level rubbish.

Quote:
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart.


Not to mention the fact that Zerohedge and Breitbart are designed to suck in gullible right-wingers who can't do critical thinking.

Quote:
I can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.


Of course Cursitor Doom finds right-wing websites rewardeing. They confirm all his favourite prejudices, and shield him from inconvenient facts, the most salient of which is that he's a gullible twit who can't recognise when he is being lied to.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Phil Hobbs
Guest

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:45 am   



On 1/2/19 1:40 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.


I use Qubes OS, which is a Xen distribution intended for single-user
computers. It has things such as disposable VMs, so that anything you
sign up for (such as Ts and Cs) goes away when you close the VM rather
than allowing all and sundry to spy on you forever.

https://qubes-os.org.

Highly recommended.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Phil Hobbs
Guest

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:45 am   



On 1/2/19 12:09 PM, George Herold wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 9:03:16 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 1/1/19 6:08 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:24:14 PM UTC-5, mkr5000 wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 9:33:43 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
It seems so.


I wanted to see more info about the rally that Hillary Clinton had in
Canada (few showed up) and searched google with Hillarys canadian rally
flop.
Of the first 20 hits 4 were off topic, (Car rallys, book).
7 hits that were about Hillary and 8 were negative articles about Trump.
I think Google might be shaping their search engine to put Trump
in a negative light.

I did the same in DuckDuckgo, 9 hits on Hillary, 10 hits that were
either off topic, irrelevant or a poll result, and 1 hit about
Trump and it was quoting what he said about Hillary and the boarder.

I think it's time to reshape Google.


I was looking for this info I heard about poor attendance at my
morning coffee meetup, but never saw anything in the media about it.

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/not-interested-bill-and-hillarys-speaking-tour-flops-barely-fills-17-percent-of-arena/

I had to change Rally to fundraiser to find this.
Mikek

NO. Trump is.

Look, I held my nose and voted for several Clintons.
I hope they never darken my ballot again.

'thread bend',
I had this political epiphany.
I was listening to Bret Weinstein, (How the magic trick is done)
he talked about two political axes, left and right on the horizontal
and libertarian/ authoritarian on the vertical.
He describes himself as a left/ libertarian,
and he gets along fine with right/ libertarians.
(at least in the current political environs)

Which describes pretty much how I feel..
(left/libertarian)

Does that mean I'll have to give up google and amazon?

George H.


I mostly did already.
Ah, you're a better man than I am Gunga Phil. :^)


How about some water? ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Nomen Nescio
Guest

Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:44 pm   



Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.


even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....


Guest

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:45 am   



On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:56:29 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Quote:
Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.

even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....


Cursitor Doom clearly feels rewarded by the kind of misleading right-wing political propaganda he gets from ZeroHedge and Breitbart.

People who can do critical thinking look for a slightly higher factual information content, and google - used with discretion - can help you get that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

bitrex
Guest

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:45 pm   



On 01/03/2019 08:49 PM, bill.sloman_at_ieee.org wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:56:29 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.

even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....

Cursitor Doom clearly feels rewarded by the kind of misleading right-wing political propaganda he gets from ZeroHedge and Breitbart.

People who can do critical thinking look for a slightly higher factual information content, and google - used with discretion - can help you get that.


The New Right has to go thru all sorts of mental gymnastics and
technologically-based rationalization as a placeholder paranoid
philosophy for "The Jews run the media" it must be exhausting.


Guest

Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:45 am   



On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:15:36 -0500, bitrex <user_at_example.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 01/03/2019 08:49 PM, bill.sloman_at_ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:56:29 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.

even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....

Cursitor Doom clearly feels rewarded by the kind of misleading right-wing political propaganda he gets from ZeroHedge and Breitbart.

People who can do critical thinking look for a slightly higher factual information content, and google - used with discretion - can help you get that.


The New Right has to go thru all sorts of mental gymnastics and
technologically-based rationalization as a placeholder paranoid
philosophy for "The Jews run the media" it must be exhausting.


You truly are an idiot.


Guest

Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:45 am   



On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 3:47:10 PM UTC+11, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:15:36 -0500, bitrex <user_at_example.net> wrote:

On 01/03/2019 08:49 PM, bill.sloman_at_ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:56:29 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.

even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....

Cursitor Doom clearly feels rewarded by the kind of misleading right-wing political propaganda he gets from ZeroHedge and Breitbart.

People who can do critical thinking look for a slightly higher factual information content, and google - used with discretion - can help you get that.


The New Right has to go thru all sorts of mental gymnastics and
technologically-based rationalization as a placeholder paranoid
philosophy for "The Jews run the media" it must be exhausting.

You truly are an idiot.


Actually, it's krw who doesn't grasp what's gong on. He's got a rather simple world-view, and it really can't accommodate even moderately complicated ideas.

When he runs into them he calls them "idiocies" but only because he can't fit them into categories he could either understand or take seriously (not that he wants to do either).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

whit3rd
Guest

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:45 am   



On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 7:15:42 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:

Quote:
The New Right has to go thru all sorts of mental gymnastics and
technologically-based rationalization as a placeholder paranoid
philosophy for "The Jews run the media" it must be exhausting.


Verbum sap. The principle of a free press, since 1648, has had its ups
and downs, but the trend is still upward. It'll eventually get assimilated
into common knowledge and custom, but maybe not in my ifetime (Russia is a holdout,
for instance).


Guest

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:45 am   



On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 5:10:19 PM UTC+11, whit3rd wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 7:15:42 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:

The New Right has to go thru all sorts of mental gymnastics and
technologically-based rationalization as a placeholder paranoid
philosophy for "The Jews run the media" it must be exhausting.

Verbum sap. The principle of a free press, since 1648, has had its ups
and downs, but the trend is still upward. It'll eventually get assimilated
into common knowledge and custom, but maybe not in my lifetime (Russia is a
holdout, for instance).


And Rupert Murdoch seems to be at liberty to adjust the new he prints to keep well-heeled advertisers happy. He's more influential in Australia, the US and the UK which are currently run by particularly crass right-wing political parties, than he is in Canada where the far-right isn't doing as well.

Russia is currently run by an obviously criminal conspiracy, so their press gets a hard time (prosecution for invented crimes and simple assassinations) as soon as it reports anything any of the criminals doesn't want published. It's likely to get better as the criminals get to realise that they can make more money if they put some effort into looking like people who stick to written contracts, but this does take a while to sink in.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Nomen Nescio
Guest

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:45 pm   



bill.sloman_at_ieee.org wrote:
Quote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:56:29 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.

even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....

Cursitor Doom clearly feels rewarded by the kind of misleading right-wing political propaganda he gets from ZeroHedge and Breitbart.

People who can do critical thinking look for a slightly higher factual information content, and google - used with discretion - can help you get that.


politics is a pathogen and mass media is its vector. this ain't about politics. google et al are worthless because they ignore precise keywords, overlook obscure knowledgeable websites, and instead regurgitate the same old dozens of websites over and over again ad nauseam. they get paid to do that.

DLUNU
Guest

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:45 pm   



Nomen Nescio <nobody_at_dizum.com> wrote in
news:20190105175931.06F0ac0MFQdz_at_sewer.dizum.com:

Quote:
politics is a pathogen and mass media is its vector. this ain't
about politics. google et al are worthless because they ignore
precise keywords, overlook obscure knowledgeable websites, and
instead regurgitate the same old dozens of websites over and over
again ad nauseam. they get paid to do that.



Blame that fucktard that started facebook.

The model of selling/using your information is the monster here.
Privacy invasion got the soft moniker of 'user experience molding'.

Just like when cops were once not allowed to shoot you in a
"vital" area, and now they do so by their training and the area on
the silhouette is now called 'center mass' to desensitize the fact
that you are training pigs to shoot people in one shot kill locations
and then telling the rotten bastards to shoot twice.

We should have shit canned all of these internet behaviors staring
with a rejection of java and the java remote execution of code model.
And cookies and popups.

The entire manner in which web pages currently work needs to be
thrown out and all you hypnotized dumbshits need to actually POLICE
the bastard behaviors, not merely piss and moan about them.

Cops need to change up their game too. Otherwise the bastards *ARE*
worthy of the 'pig' moniker. Very few remember their oath enough to
escape it.


Guest

Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:45 am   



On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 5:12:01 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Quote:
bill.sloman_at_ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 4:56:29 AM UTC+11, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Cursitor Doom <curd_at_notformail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 21:03:08 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I mostly did already.

Same here, but it's virtually impossible to totally de-Google your life.
Google scripts of one sort or another, in one guise or another, are in
just about every page I view. NoScript and whatnot tells me and gives me
the option to bar them, but that often loses a lot of functionality. On
major sites, such as online newspapers and whatnot, you have no option
but to permit G scripting. Or you'll see nothing! That's why I prefer
smaller independent current affairs sites like Zerohedge and Breitbart. I
can easily and automatically snip out the comments and the adverts and it
makes for an altogether more rewarding experience.

even greater rewards await those who can completely cutoff google gewgaws....

Cursitor Doom clearly feels rewarded by the kind of misleading right-wing political propaganda he gets from ZeroHedge and Breitbart.

People who can do critical thinking look for a slightly higher factual information content, and google - used with discretion - can help you get that.

politics is a pathogen and mass media is its vector. this ain't about politics. google et al are worthless because they ignore precise keywords, overlook obscure knowledgeable websites, and instead regurgitate the same old dozens of websites over and over again ad nauseam. they get paid to do that..


They get paid to deliver the websites that people want, so that people will clip on their web-site again and get exposed to the advertisements that pay for Google's persisteing existence.. They take a string, offer a series of web-sites, and can monitor which web-sites get accessed (and probably for how long).

When I go to a website that I've visited before, Google tells me how often I've been there, so I'd imagine that my search strings are processed with my past behaviour in mind.

Google isn't worthless - it's extremely profitable - but it isn't in the business of educating its customers, but rather in the business of reflecting their habits (which are - sadly - human).

Having said that, a recent search for William Spencer (Bill) Percival's distributed amplifier only throw up the patent, and not the biography that I used to be able to find.

Publishers may be getting greedier.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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