Insignia NS-HDTUNE Take Apart/Exploration

I'm well aware of the repeaters, and all meat head has to do is say that's
how he receives his
satellite signal thru solid walls. Instead he resorts to insult and
internet babble.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:31:51 -0600, "Klaatu" <nospam_at_today.com> wrote:


"Meat Plow" wrote in message news:3it3q8.g4.17.3_at_news.alt.net...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:34:52 -0600, "Klaatu" <nospam_at_today.com>wrote:



So[SLAP]

So wank off, fen-sucked pisswit.

And meatball responds with an insult, but doesn't tell us how he gets
satellite radio while his
vehicle is parked in the garage.

Meathead, a child in a man's body, doesn't have a vheicle, or a radio.

William R. Walsh <newsgroups1_at_idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com> wrote:

No tuners were harmed in the making of this page or in the exploration.
By the way, I have been completely unimpressed by the performance of
this tuner. (I'm so glad I paid nowhere near the retail price!) I'd
recommend you look at something else if you want to listen to HD radio.

William

My local BB has sold the tuner for $70 compared to the normal $99.
I have been thinking of buying one for some time, what are your
complaints and do you have a recommendation for a better unit?

Very nice. A photo of the unit before disection might be useful.

TI and Atmel partnered on the design. TI does the screaming media
decoding. Atmel does the analog RF and conventional AM/FM decoding.

So, did it work when you put it back together? How many spare screws?

I have a office carpet that lives on a diet of small hardware. Drop
anything onto the carpet, and it will immediately be injested by the
carpet, never to be seen again. The carpet is very much a picky eater
as it will ocassionally regurgitate a few of the larger items. I find
it necessary to regularly feed the carpet a ration of screws and
washers in the hope that it will be satiated and not devour anything
important.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:37:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl_at_cruzio.com>wrote:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:34:52 -0600, "Klaatu" <nospam_at_today.com> wrote:

So you have the nuclear powered Sirius radio that gets reception in your
garage?
Idiot, satellite radio is line of sight. Wont work in a garage, under a
bridge, or under anything that obstructs line of sight. DOH!

Try again...

Both Sirius and XM have terrestrial repeaters to fill in dead spots in
metropolitan areas, where tall buildings get in the way.
http://www.dogstarradio.com/sirius_map.php

Besides that Jeff, Sirius penetrates my gararage roof just fine. And I
can take the radio inside and get decent reception through the ceiling
and roof in certain spots. But there is a time period of a minute or
so that when one sat goes out of range and the other comes in range
that is shaded so the signal drops out where as outside there isn't an
issue.

Hi!

I have a office carpet that lives on a diet of small hardware. Drop
anything onto the carpet, and it will immediately be injested by the
carpet, never to be seen again. The carpet is very much a picky eater
as it will ocassionally regurgitate a few of the larger items. I find
it necessary to regularly feed the carpet a ration of screws and
washers in the hope that it will be satiated and not devour anything
important.

May you never have to put a vacuum cleaner across it. The shrapnel may be
terrific.

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:51:43 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:37:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl_at_cruzio.com>wrote:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:34:52 -0600, "Klaatu" <nospam_at_today.com> wrote:

So you have the nuclear powered Sirius radio that gets reception in your
garage?
Idiot, satellite radio is line of sight. Wont work in a garage, under a
bridge, or under anything that obstructs line of sight. DOH!

Try again...

Both Sirius and XM have terrestrial repeaters to fill in dead spots in
metropolitan areas, where tall buildings get in the way.
http://www.dogstarradio.com/sirius_map.php

Besides that Jeff, Sirius penetrates my gararage roof just fine. And I
can take the radio inside and get decent reception through the ceiling
and roof in certain spots. But there is a time period of a minute or
so that when one sat goes out of range and the other comes in range
that is shaded so the signal drops out where as outside there isn't an
issue.

Sirius works differently from XM and is generally a better system in
marginal areas. There are 3 RF channels around 2.3GHz. Two come from
each of the two satellites. The 3rd from terrestrial repeaters. The
Sirius receiver decodes all 3 channels simultaneously and
conglomerates the usable data (which creates a 4 second delay). XM
uses 6 carriers but only decodes 2 carriers (to save power and CPU
horsepower).

The satellites also follow a rather odd figure 8 pattern over the
Americas, which results in signal strengths changing over the day:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Satellite_Radio#Satellite_technology

If you have a wooden roof on your garage, I'm not surprised that
Sirius works inside. However, if you live in a concrete and steel
apartment building, where the garage is under the building, I suspect
you're hearing a terrestrial repeater.

I wish there was a repeater here.

I would probably add a second
receiver for inside the home so I could use a remote control.

I've
never had problems with reception in the garage even with 2 feet of
snow on the roof. I'm aware of the figure 8 orbit of the two birds.
Did some research on them and they are made by Loral. Future
birds are going to have something more than an unfolding 36" parabolic
for an antenna. But I think you have XM and Sirius mixed up. From what
I've read Sirius uses the 4ghz spectrum and XM the 2 ghz. But hell I
could be wrong, wont be the first or last.

I ditched XM back in 2005 because the signal was so
bad unless you were out in the open. I couldn't even drive down a road
with tall trees on each side without losing reception.

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:44:01 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

I wish there was a repeater here.

Sorry but your 3 wish limit has been reached. Please find another
genie that grants wishes. Hint: They like their bottles rubbed.

I would probably add a second
receiver for inside the home so I could use a remote control.

See my rant on how to build a repeater. Just a rooftop antenna, 30dB
amplifier, and inside antenna. Since it's one way, it's easy. Wi-Fi
components can be used. I've built two of these for indoor GPS use at
1.575GHz that work fairly well (multipath causes problems). Make sure
the rooftop antenna is LHCP (left hand circular polarization), has
some gain and is pointed in the correct general direction. Straight
up is *NOT* the right way. See instructions at:
http://www.tss-radio.com/images/sirius_externalAntenna.pdf
Some Wi-Fi antennas will work, but you'll loose -3dB due to the
differences between LHCP and linear polarization.

The problem with terrestrial repeaters is that they belch plenty of RF
power at 2.3Ghz. That rips up 2.4GHz wi-fi communications near the
repeater. I had to relocate one wi-fi link thanks to the addition of
a new repeater.

I've
never had problems with reception in the garage even with 2 feet of
snow on the roof. I'm aware of the figure 8 orbit of the two birds.
Did some research on them and they are made by Loral. Future
birds are going to have something more than an unfolding 36" parabolic
for an antenna. But I think you have XM and Sirius mixed up. From what
I've read Sirius uses the 4ghz spectrum and XM the 2 ghz. But hell I
could be wrong, wont be the first or last.

Nope. They're both on 2.3GHz. Wikipedia has a mention of 4Ghz
somewhere, but that's wrong. You can buy aftermarket antennas that
claim to work with both, which is an important clue. I could lookup
the assignments on the FCC pages, but not now. Incidentally, the
uplink and downlink to the terrestrial repeaters are on Ku band. The
repeaters do NOT repeat the 2.3GHz transmissions to improve
reliability.

I ditched XM back in 2005 because the signal was so
bad unless you were out in the open. I couldn't even drive down a road
with tall trees on each side without losing reception.

I have portable receivers for both but neither is activated. I don't
need the service for signal checking, coverage checking, and doing
installs. Besides, I only listen to my own music, 1960's acid rock,
New Age and classical, none of which I like when I tried their
programming. An iPod Touch 2G keeps me entertaining.

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:59:52 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl_at_cruzio.com>wrote:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:44:01 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

I wish there was a repeater here.

Sorry but your 3 wish limit has been reached. Please find another
genie that grants wishes. Hint: They like their bottles rubbed.

I would probably add a second
receiver for inside the home so I could use a remote control.

See my rant on how to build a repeater. Just a rooftop antenna, 30dB
amplifier, and inside antenna. Since it's one way, it's easy. Wi-Fi
components can be used. I've built two of these for indoor GPS use at
1.575GHz that work fairly well (multipath causes problems). Make sure
the rooftop antenna is LHCP (left hand circular polarization), has
some gain and is pointed in the correct general direction. Straight
up is *NOT* the right way. See instructions at:
http://www.tss-radio.com/images/sirius_externalAntenna.pdf
Some Wi-Fi antennas will work, but you'll loose -3dB due to the
differences between LHCP and linear polarization.

The problem with terrestrial repeaters is that they belch plenty of RF
power at 2.3Ghz. That rips up 2.4GHz wi-fi communications near the
repeater. I had to relocate one wi-fi link thanks to the addition of
a new repeater.

I've
never had problems with reception in the garage even with 2 feet of
snow on the roof. I'm aware of the figure 8 orbit of the two birds.
Did some research on them and they are made by Loral. Future
birds are going to have something more than an unfolding 36" parabolic
for an antenna. But I think you have XM and Sirius mixed up. From what
I've read Sirius uses the 4ghz spectrum and XM the 2 ghz. But hell I
could be wrong, wont be the first or last.

Nope. They're both on 2.3GHz. Wikipedia has a mention of 4Ghz
somewhere, but that's wrong. You can buy aftermarket antennas that
claim to work with both, which is an important clue. I could lookup
the assignments on the FCC pages, but not now. Incidentally, the
uplink and downlink to the terrestrial repeaters are on Ku band. The
repeaters do NOT repeat the 2.3GHz transmissions to improve
reliability.

I ditched XM back in 2005 because the signal was so
bad unless you were out in the open. I couldn't even drive down a road
with tall trees on each side without losing reception.

I have portable receivers for both but neither is activated. I don't
need the service for signal checking, coverage checking, and doing
installs. Besides, I only listen to my own music, 1960's acid rock,
New Age and classical, none of which I like when I tried their
programming. An iPod Touch 2G keeps me entertaining.

I'll look into the repeater. Shouldn't cost much.

I guess this is where klaatu leaves the thread in shame.

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:18:23 -0500, Meat Plowwrote:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:59:52 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl_at_cruzio.com>wrote:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:44:01 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

I wish there was a repeater here.

Sorry but your 3 wish limit has been reached. Please find another
genie that grants wishes. Hint: They like their bottles rubbed.

I would probably add a second
receiver for inside the home so I could use a remote control.

See my rant on how to build a repeater. Just a rooftop antenna, 30dB
amplifier, and inside antenna. Since it's one way, it's easy. Wi-Fi
components can be used. I've built two of these for indoor GPS use at
1.575GHz that work fairly well (multipath causes problems). Make sure
the rooftop antenna is LHCP (left hand circular polarization), has
some gain and is pointed in the correct general direction. Straight
up is *NOT* the right way. See instructions at:
http://www.tss-radio.com/images/sirius_externalAntenna.pdf
Some Wi-Fi antennas will work, but you'll loose -3dB due to the
differences between LHCP and linear polarization.

The problem with terrestrial repeaters is that they belch plenty of RF
power at 2.3Ghz. That rips up 2.4GHz wi-fi communications near the
repeater. I had to relocate one wi-fi link thanks to the addition of
a new repeater.

I've
never had problems with reception in the garage even with 2 feet of
snow on the roof. I'm aware of the figure 8 orbit of the two birds.
Did some research on them and they are made by Loral. Future
birds are going to have something more than an unfolding 36" parabolic
for an antenna. But I think you have XM and Sirius mixed up. From what
I've read Sirius uses the 4ghz spectrum and XM the 2 ghz. But hell I
could be wrong, wont be the first or last.

Nope. They're both on 2.3GHz. Wikipedia has a mention of 4Ghz
somewhere, but that's wrong. You can buy aftermarket antennas that
claim to work with both, which is an important clue. I could lookup
the assignments on the FCC pages, but not now. Incidentally, the
uplink and downlink to the terrestrial repeaters are on Ku band. The
repeaters do NOT repeat the 2.3GHz transmissions to improve
reliability.

I ditched XM back in 2005 because the signal was so
bad unless you were out in the open. I couldn't even drive down a road
with tall trees on each side without losing reception.

I have portable receivers for both but neither is activated. I don't
need the service for signal checking, coverage checking, and doing
installs. Besides, I only listen to my own music, 1960's acid rock,
New Age and classical, none of which I like when I tried their
programming. An iPod Touch 2G keeps me entertaining.

I'll look into the repeater. Shouldn't cost much.

I guess this is where klaatu leaves the thread in shame.

crickets

Not at all. I just find your statement of receiving satellite radio in a

"Meat Plow" wrote in message news:3j52v2.g7c.19.3_at_news.alt.net...
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:18:23 -0500, Meat Plowwrote:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:59:52 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl_at_cruzio.com>wrote:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:44:01 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

I wish there was a repeater here.

Sorry but your 3 wish limit has been reached. Please find another
genie that grants wishes. Hint: They like their bottles rubbed.

I would probably add a second
receiver for inside the home so I could use a remote control.

See my rant on how to build a repeater. Just a rooftop antenna, 30dB
amplifier, and inside antenna. Since it's one way, it's easy. Wi-Fi
components can be used. I've built two of these for indoor GPS use at
1.575GHz that work fairly well (multipath causes problems). Make sure
the rooftop antenna is LHCP (left hand circular polarization), has
some gain and is pointed in the correct general direction. Straight
up is *NOT* the right way. See instructions at:
http://www.tss-radio.com/images/sirius_externalAntenna.pdf
Some Wi-Fi antennas will work, but you'll loose -3dB due to the
differences between LHCP and linear polarization.

The problem with terrestrial repeaters is that they belch plenty of RF
power at 2.3Ghz. That rips up 2.4GHz wi-fi communications near the
repeater. I had to relocate one wi-fi link thanks to the addition of
a new repeater.

I've
never had problems with reception in the garage even with 2 feet of
snow on the roof. I'm aware of the figure 8 orbit of the two birds.
Did some research on them and they are made by Loral. Future
birds are going to have something more than an unfolding 36" parabolic
for an antenna. But I think you have XM and Sirius mixed up. From what
I've read Sirius uses the 4ghz spectrum and XM the 2 ghz. But hell I
could be wrong, wont be the first or last.

Nope. They're both on 2.3GHz. Wikipedia has a mention of 4Ghz
somewhere, but that's wrong. You can buy aftermarket antennas that
claim to work with both, which is an important clue. I could lookup
the assignments on the FCC pages, but not now. Incidentally, the
uplink and downlink to the terrestrial repeaters are on Ku band. The
repeaters do NOT repeat the 2.3GHz transmissions to improve
reliability.

I ditched XM back in 2005 because the signal was so
bad unless you were out in the open. I couldn't even drive down a road
with tall trees on each side without losing reception.

I have portable receivers for both but neither is activated. I don't
need the service for signal checking, coverage checking, and doing
installs. Besides, I only listen to my own music, 1960's acid rock,
New Age and classical, none of which I like when I tried their
programming. An iPod Touch 2G keeps me entertaining.

I'll look into the repeater. Shouldn't cost much.

I guess this is where klaatu leaves the thread in shame.

crickets

Not at all. I just find your statement of receiving satellite radio in a
garage to be suspect.
I just don't believe its happening without a repeater.

crickets

I'll look into the repeater. Shouldn't cost much.

I guess this is where klaatu leaves the thread in shame.