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amdx
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:39 pm
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997."
Guess What? There's controversy!
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1kx6soAc2
Mikek
amdx
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:09 pm
On 1/30/2012 9:45 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 30, 3:39 pm, amdx<a...@knology.net> wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
Only true if you choose your 15 years rather carefully. One of the
larger cyclic fluctuations in global average temperature is driven by
the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
As if the Daily Mail were a reliable source of commentary on
scientific matters.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
I'm sorry, did YOU reference wikipedia?
Mikek
John Larkin
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:25 pm
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:45:57 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 30, 3:39 pm, amdx <a...@knology.net> wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
Only true if you choose your 15 years rather carefully. One of the
larger cyclic fluctuations in global average temperature is driven by
the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
and that has been pushing temperatures down for the last decade or so.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.
They don't to anybody who knows what they are looking at, but British
science journalists aren't science graduates and haven't got much of
an understanding of the stuff they are writing about.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997."
It didn't - the trend has just been hidden by one of the regular
cyclic variations
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
--
John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
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Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
Tom Del Rosso
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:39 pm
John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
--
Reply in group, but if emailing add one more
zero, and remove the last word.
Bill Sloman
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:45 pm
On Jan 30, 3:39 pm, amdx <a...@knology.net> wrote:
Quote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
Only true if you choose your 15 years rather carefully. One of the
larger cyclic fluctuations in global average temperature is driven by
the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
and that has been pushing temperatures down for the last decade or so.
Quote:
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.
They don't to anybody who knows what they are looking at, but British
science journalists aren't science graduates and haven't got much of
an understanding of the stuff they are writing about.
Quote:
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997."
It didn't - the trend has just been hidden by one of the regular
cyclic variations
Quote:
Guess What? There's controversy!
Bought and paid for by Exxon-Mobil and its friends.
Quote:
As if the Daily Mail were a reliable source of commentary on
scientific matters.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Martin Brown
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:06 pm
amdx wrote:
Quote:
On 1/30/2012 9:45 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Jan 30, 3:39 pm, amdx<a...@knology.net> wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
Only true if you choose your 15 years rather carefully. One of the
larger cyclic fluctuations in global average temperature is driven by
the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
As if the Daily Mail were a reliable source of commentary on
scientific matters.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
I'm sorry, did YOU reference wikipedia?
Mikek
You might like to note the fact that the Daily Wail has just been
awarded the 2011 Orwellian Prize for Journalistic Misrepresentation.
http://deevybee.blogspot.com/2012/01/2011-orwellian-prize-for-journalistic.html
They score incredibly badly on scientific accuracy. Setting a new all
time record for printing gibberish with their winning entry in 2011.
I suggest you go back to the original publication rather than rely on
their wilfully misleading selective misquoting of the actual research.
Regards,
Martin Brown
John Larkin
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:09 pm
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<td_03_at_verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
--
John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
Bill Sloman
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:30 pm
On Jan 30, 5:09 pm, amdx <a...@knology.net> wrote:
Quote:
On 1/30/2012 9:45 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Jan 30, 3:39 pm, amdx<a...@knology.net> wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
Only true if you choose your 15 years rather carefully. One of the
larger cyclic fluctuations in global average temperature is driven by
the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
As if the Daily Mail were a reliable source of commentary on
scientific matters.
I'm sorry, did YOU reference wikipedia?
Why are you sorry? Was I supposed to imagine that you would know about
the Atlantic multidecal oscillation, or should I have referred you to
one of the thirteen more authoritative sources that Wikipedia lists,
but you probably wouldn't understand.
I won't claim that Wikipedia is a thoroughly reliable source, but this
particular article looks okay. The Daily Mail is a whole lot less
reliable when it comes to science.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Martin Brown
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:52 pm
John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
td_03_at_verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
Sunspots have been visible ever since people first started looking at
the sky. Naked eye sunspots are recorded by Chinese astronomers.
A more quantitative index vy Wolf of Zurich goes back nearly 150 years.
The Hale cycles are fairly well predictable and despite what you may
read in the rightard press the sun is really quite active at the moment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3869753.stm
http://www.space.com/14387-biggest-solar-flare-2012-radiation-storm.html
Now is a relatively good time to go aurora watching or buy an H-alpha
solar prominence telescope. There is plenty to see on the sun.
Regards,
Martin Brown
John Larkin
Guest
Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:06 pm
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:52:19 +0000, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
td_03_at_verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
Sunspots have been visible ever since people first started looking at
the sky. Naked eye sunspots are recorded by Chinese astronomers.
A more quantitative index vy Wolf of Zurich goes back nearly 150 years.
The Hale cycles are fairly well predictable and despite what you may
read in the rightard press the sun is really quite active at the moment.
Last week The Drudge Report had a nice solar pic and a warning about a
big solar storm, so you must be referring to something to the rightard
of that.
**********************************
John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc
jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation
Joerg
Guest
Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:54 am
Bill Sloman wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 30, 6:09 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
Sunspots are entirely superficial - confined to the outermost layers
of the sun, which is much too cool for nuclear fusion - and their
effect on climate is very small.
ROFL!
http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap02/sunspots.html
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
John Larkin
Guest
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:13 am
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:50:47 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman_at_ieee.org> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 30, 6:09 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
Sunspots are entirely superficial - confined to the outermost layers
of the sun,
And how do you know that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunspot#Physics
"Although the details of sunspot generation are still a matter of
research, it appears that sunspots are the visible counterparts of
magnetic flux tubes in the Sun's convective zone that get "wound up"
by differential rotation. If the stress on the tubes reaches a certain
limit, they curl up like a rubber band and puncture the Sun's surface.
Convection is inhibited at the puncture points; the energy flux from
the Sun's interior decreases; and with it surface temperature."
Idiot.
**********************************
John Larkin, President
Highland Technology, Inc
jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation
Bill Sloman
Guest
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:47 am
On Jan 30, 5:25 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:45:57 -0800 (PST),BillSloman
bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Jan 30, 3:39 pm, amdx <a...@knology.net> wrote:
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Met = UK's National Weather Service
"The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
Only true if you choose your 15 years rather carefully. One of the
larger cyclic fluctuations in global average temperature is driven by
the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
and that has been pushing temperatures down for the last decade or so.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.
They don't to anybody who knows what they are looking at, but British
science journalists aren't science graduates and haven't got much of
an understanding of the stuff they are writing about.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997."
It didn't - the trend has just been hidden by one of the regular
cyclic variations
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
Do a little reading about the greenhouse effect sometime. There's some
uncertainty about how much of an increase in global temperature you
get for a given amount of extra CO2 in the atmosphere - the IPCC puts
upper and lower limits at about 1.6 times their best estimate and 60%
of the their best estimate - but the basic physics is crystal clear.
Quote:
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
If you don't know a thing about it and have a weakness for plausibly
packaged denialist propaganda.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
Guest
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:50 am
On Jan 30, 6:09 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
Sunspots are entirely superficial - confined to the outermost layers
of the sun, which is much too cool for nuclear fusion - and their
effect on climate is very small.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
Guest
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:54 am
On Jan 30, 7:06 pm, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:52:19 +0000, Martin Brown
|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:39:26 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the apparent AGW was itself just a cyclic variation.
But the sunspot thing looks serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
The sunspot minima correspond to low temperatures.
The "modern maximum" started about 1900.
One of the early episodes of Nova in the 1970's was all about sunspots.
Aparently they also correspond to hemlines and Beatlemania.
Since the sun warms the earth, and sunspots indicate something serious
going on with the sun, there's a chance the sunspot-temperature thing
is actually causal.
Sunspots have been visible ever since people first started looking at
the sky. Naked eye sunspots are recorded by Chinese astronomers.
A more quantitative index vy Wolf of Zurich goes back nearly 150 years.
The Hale cycles are fairly well predictable and despite what you may
read in the rightard press the sun is really quite active at the moment.
Last week The Drudge Report had a nice solar pic and a warning about a
big solar storm, so you must be referring to something to the rightard
of that.
The rightard press doesn't seem to feel any need for consistency - the
sun can be quiet when the denialist propaganda story needs it to be
quiet, but still active enough to explain the latest solar storm.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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