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Rick C. Hodgin
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:26 pm   



What did Jesus suffer in our place upon the cross? And why?

Beaten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8BQKEmvKvA

Nailed to a cross, hung to die:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHQuayhMeU

And when He gave up the Ghost, an Earthquake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njUlc2QP_7k&t=1m11s

Resurrection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Mnsxj2N7Y&t=0m11s

It is generally accepted that the beating shown in the movie The Passion of
The Christ, albeit very graphic, is insufficient. He was regarded as being
hung upon the cross in a form "unrecognizable as a man.". Cut and maimed so
badly, beaten to the core with his bones poking through, his muscles torn.

Psalm 22 speaks of some of this:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/22.htm

14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my
heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to
my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed
me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

He took all of this to set us free from the punishment of sin. And what
we see here on the Earth is only what happened in the flesh. What then
happened to Him in Hell when God the Father poured out His wrath full
strength upon His Son for ALL of the sin of ALL the believers, past,
present, and future ... the Bible records it literally crushed Him.

We haven't seen that part on this side of the grave. But it was far
worse than He endured here upon the Earth. The pouring out of punishment
literally crushed God. And such a punishment awaits all who don't find
salvation in Jesus Christ. And there's no coming back from that degree
of punishment by anyone ... except the One who's already come back, the
One who reaches out to save you right now today, so that you might live
and not receive that punishment, being set free by His blood, by His love,
by His free offer of salvation.

He stands with His arms out waiting for you to come to Him. I pray you
do. You have tremendous value and I would like to see you in Heaven.

-----
If you've never seen the Passion of the Christ, it conveys the story of the
last days on Earth for Jesus, the passion. It covers some of His teaching
in the time before, the triumphant entry into Jerusalem, His betrayal, the
mock trial where they found no fault in Him, and the sentence of Pontius
Pilate who condemned Him to death by crucifixion even though he found no
fault in Him, but Pilate was afraid of an uprising and even more bloodshed,
so He condemned an innocent man to keep the peace, as it were.

You can read about the story in the Bible:

Matthew 26:36+
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/26.htm#36

Mark 14:32+
http://biblehub.com/kjv/mark/14.htm#32

Luke 22:39+
http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/22.htm#39

John 18:1+
http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/18.htm

-----
Some key passages:

Luke 23:23-24 -- The sentence of death by crucifixion
23 And [the crowd was] instant with loud voices, requiring that he
might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief
priests [the Jewish authority] prevailed.
24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.

Luke 23:44-46 -- The death
44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over
all the earth until the ninth hour.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent
in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father,
into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus,
he gave up the ghost.

Luke 23:52-53 -- The burial
52 This man [Joseph of Arimathaea] went unto Pilate, and begged
the body of Jesus.
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in
a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before
was laid.

Luke 24:1-7 -- The Resurrection
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning,
they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they
had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout,
behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth,
they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when
he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful
men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

-----
The Passion of the Christ movie is available at your local movie rental
place, and online for purchase or viewing. Netflix periodically has it
for viewing, but right now it's on Netflix DVD-only.

The Bible teaches us that "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the
word of God" (http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/10-17.htm).

If your faith is weak, read the Bible. The words of the Bible are His
words, penned by men through the power and guidance of His Holy Spirit.
The words of the Bible are alive and active and they will increase one's
faith, and lead the truth seeker into knowledge of the truth, as much as
they're able to receive.

But for the one not seeking the truth, it will forever be a veiled enigma
that seems undecipherable, unintelligible, unbelievable, and a book to be
mocked and poked fun at, along with all those who believe in the One the
book speaks about, Jesus Christ.

It is that way because of the division between the born again nature,
and the natural man. The two are irreconcilable, and they are polar
opposites. The natural man cannot receive the things of God, and the
born again person cannot continue for long in the things of man, for
the ways of God are far greater, as they lead to life, life eternal,
and life more abundant.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:49 pm   



On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
Quote:
Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?


Until everyone is saved, this subject is on-topic for all people.

For those who are saved, it is an ongoing witness and reminder of that
which they have already received.

For those who are not yet saved, it is a teaching, a reminder that there
is a coming day of judgment against sin, and none of us will escape from
that judgment unscathed if our sin remains upon us.

It is a teaching that there is one way to avoid eternal damnation in Hell
for your sin ... and that is to accept Jesus Christ as Savior, and to ask
Him to take your sin away.

It is on-topic because Jesus has been given all authority in Heaven and
Earth:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/28.htm
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.

And He commands us to go and teach people and make disciples:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20a Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you:

And He reminds us that as we go through our lives, He is with us at all
points, so that this reminder of what we should be doing is being done
in our lives:

20b and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Amen.

-----
This is not an arrest, a night in county lockup, or even a few year stint
in prison. This is all eternity writhing in unending torment and flame.

Such a subject is at all times, and at all points, on-topic. In fact,
until this matter is sorted out for each person, there should be no other
topics of interest.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:01 pm   



On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
Quote:
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?

Until everyone is saved, this subject is on-topic for all people.

So, yes, he tells you to be disrespectful and ignore the rules of polite
society. Until you agree to honor the rules and conventions of this
forum... NO THANKS.


You say it that way now because you are not seeking after the truth and
are embracing sin with both hands.

When the day comes to pay the tab for your little holiday apart from God,
and you see the price you'll have to pay, you will long with greatest
longing to have one day to do over so you could accept the free offer
of salvation of your sin through Jesus Christ. But, it will be too late
then. Strong angels will take hold of you and drag you kicking and
screaming to the edge of the lake of fire and toss you in headlong to
which you will never return from again or be heard from again as your
moans and screams will blend in with all of those other lost souls
around you such that your pain and suffering will be indistinguishable
from their pain and suffering.

And on that day, you will remember this teaching, this outreach, and all
the other teachings and outreaches you dismissed as being the rude and
impolite off-topic comments of some religion madman, and you will know
then what I tried to save you from, and you will weep in anger and
frustration over your depraved state, and non-existent future.

I am trying with all that I have within me to save you from that day.
You have incredible value. Made by God. Hand-crafted by God. An
original. A masterpiece. And He places value on you so high that He
is willing to step in and take that punishment away from you ... if
only you'll let Him.

It is that which I am trying to teach you.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

DJ Delorie
Guest

Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:43 pm   



Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?

DJ Delorie
Guest

Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:56 pm   



"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> writes:
Quote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?

Until everyone is saved, this subject is on-topic for all people.


So, yes, he tells you to be disrespectful and ignore the rules of polite
society. Until you agree to honor the rules and conventions of this
forum... NO THANKS.

Mike Perkins
Guest

Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:52 am   



On 27/09/2016 18:56, DJ Delorie wrote:
Quote:

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?

Until everyone is saved, this subject is on-topic for all people.

So, yes, he tells you to be disrespectful and ignore the rules of polite
society. Until you agree to honor the rules and conventions of this
forum... NO THANKS.


Mr Hodgin is in my killfile list, so the only reason I get to see this
nonsense is because you're feeding the troll.

I and I'm sure others here will appreciate you taking this conversation
elsewhere.

Tobias Kahre
Guest

Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:44 pm   



Jesus had nothing to suffer. No kids, no wife, and he had god as his father.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> What did Jesus suffer in our place upon the cross? And why?

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:29 pm   



On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 3:45:40 AM UTC-4, Tobias Kahre wrote:
Quote:
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
What did Jesus suffer in our place upon the cross? And why?
Jesus had nothing to suffer. No kids, no wife, and he had god as his father.


Someday, on the other side of death, we will all know what Jesus suffered
through to pay the price of the punishment of our sin. The Bible records
that the punishment crushed Him (Isaiah 53:10).

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/53-10.htm
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see
his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the
LORD shall prosper in his hand.

The word there in KJV for bruise is Strong's 1792, "daka," which means:

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1792.htm
Short Definition: crush

-----
The Bible records that every knee will bow, and every tongue confess,
that Jesus Christ is Lord, all to the glory of God the Father:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/14-11.htm
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall
bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/philippians/2-10.htm
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/45-23.htm
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee
shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and
strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed
against him shall be ashamed.

We will know on the other side of death what He has done for mankind.
He tells us now in a way we can understand sufficiently to come to faith.
But as we see today only darkly, as through a glass, and are known only
in part, yet on the other side will we see clearly, and know in full:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/13-12.htm
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The shame that will come in Isaiah 45:24 will be because at that point
you will know what Jesus did to save man, and how He fought continually
to guide and direct man toward salvation, but how man rejected God at
every point, for generations, over centuries, over millenia.

Notwithstanding that final outcome, for some that day of acknowledgment
will come in this world with a profession of faith in Christ unto salvation.
For others, that day will only come on the other side of death when there
is no salvation, yet there is and will be acknowledgement by every created
being that Jesus Christ is Lord, and even for those who were not saved God
will be glorified in your destruction.

The day comes for all. We all have an appointment with death:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/9-27.htm
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment:

The decision we have to make in this world is when will that day come.
Here, before mankind, in humbleness and submission unto salvation? Or
there, before all of creation, before God Himself (face to face), with
the full condemnation of a life lived in pursuit of sin, in rebellion
against God, with the end result being tossed headlong into the eternal
lake of fire?

It is a no brainer. But for those who do not pursue the truth, sin
remains tight over and within them, and they cannot shake it loose, and
it is leading them to their destruction.

But for all who seek the truth, God knows this, and He makes it possible
in this world for them to come to know the truth, that Jesus Christ is
Savior and Lord, and that they will come to Him, be drawn to Him even,
so that they might repent, ask forgiveness, and be saved.

The rest will perish in Hell having never repented, never asked Jesus
Christ for forgiveness of their sin.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:30 pm   



John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
There is a common smugness among many Bible-bangers,
"I have been saved and you are not, I'll be in heaven and you
will be tormented for eternity, ha ha ha."

That doesn't sound very Christian to me.


It isn't. Such comments are rude, inappropriate, and indicate the
person is not saved. Christians are told to teach people the truth,
reaching out in love even when non-believers demean or physically
harm them. We are told to teach the truth so others have the
opportunity to hear the truth, as the world's general knowledge
has either no, or twisted / perverted information about what it
means to be a disciple and follower of Jesus Christ.

Christians are sure of their salvation by how it changes them from
within, even to the point of their great surprise. It is the born again
nature then asserting itself into the substance of the believer. Its
influence is real and formidable, over-ruling the prior flesh-based-
only existence, resulting in amazing changes from within.

> Are you "rickman" too?

No. Rickman has indicated he's as upset with me as you are.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

John Larkin
Guest

Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:12 am   



On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT), "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?

Until everyone is saved, this subject is on-topic for all people.

So, yes, he tells you to be disrespectful and ignore the rules of polite
society. Until you agree to honor the rules and conventions of this
forum... NO THANKS.

You say it that way now because you are not seeking after the truth and
are embracing sin with both hands.

When the day comes to pay the tab for your little holiday apart from God,
and you see the price you'll have to pay, you will long with greatest
longing to have one day to do over so you could accept the free offer
of salvation of your sin through Jesus Christ. But, it will be too late
then. Strong angels will take hold of you and drag you kicking and
screaming to the edge of the lake of fire and toss you in headlong to
which you will never return from again or be heard from again as your
moans and screams will blend in with all of those other lost souls
around you such that your pain and suffering will be indistinguishable
from their pain and suffering.

And on that day, you will remember this teaching, this outreach, and all
the other teachings and outreaches you dismissed as being the rude and
impolite off-topic comments of some religion madman, and you will know
then what I tried to save you from, and you will weep in anger and
frustration over your depraved state, and non-existent future.


There is a common smugness among many Bible-bangers, "I have been
saved and you are not, I'll be in heaven and you will be tormented for
eternity, ha ha ha."

That doesn't sound very Christian to me.

Are you "rickman" too?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

Rick C. Hodgin
Guest

Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:15 am   



Tim Wescott wrote:
> And they give the quietly devoted a bad name.

There are no quietly devoted. When Jesus Christ forgiving your sins,
He takes your sins away. Because of that you are no longer under
condemnation, no longer under judgment and the death caused
by sin. As a result, the born again spirit nature asserts itself, and it
is impossible to remain quiet or be unchanged following conversion.

Jesus changes everything about a person's life.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

Tim Wescott
Guest

Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:46 am   



On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 12:12:40 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT), "Rick C. Hodgin"
rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-4, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin_at_gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-4, DJ Delorie
wrote:
Did your Jesus teach you to be disrespectful of others by posting
off-topic posts?

Until everyone is saved, this subject is on-topic for all people.

So, yes, he tells you to be disrespectful and ignore the rules of
polite society. Until you agree to honor the rules and conventions of
this forum... NO THANKS.

You say it that way now because you are not seeking after the truth and
are embracing sin with both hands.

When the day comes to pay the tab for your little holiday apart from
God,
and you see the price you'll have to pay, you will long with greatest
longing to have one day to do over so you could accept the free offer of
salvation of your sin through Jesus Christ. But, it will be too late
then. Strong angels will take hold of you and drag you kicking and
screaming to the edge of the lake of fire and toss you in headlong to
which you will never return from again or be heard from again as your
moans and screams will blend in with all of those other lost souls
around you such that your pain and suffering will be indistinguishable
from their pain and suffering.

And on that day, you will remember this teaching, this outreach, and all
the other teachings and outreaches you dismissed as being the rude and
impolite off-topic comments of some religion madman, and you will know
then what I tried to save you from, and you will weep in anger and
frustration over your depraved state, and non-existent future.

There is a common smugness among many Bible-bangers, "I have been saved
and you are not, I'll be in heaven and you will be tormented for
eternity, ha ha ha."


And they give the quietly devoted a bad name.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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