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~misfit~
Guest

Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:10 pm   



Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of BigClive's
youtube videos. You can see it here https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186
He's fitting the PCB into it to hold (small) through-hole components while
he solders them. I've searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe
I'm using the wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them.

Help appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

doggerel
Guest

Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:57 pm   



On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of BigClive's
youtube videos. You can see it here https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186
He's fitting the PCB into it to hold (small) through-hole components while
he solders them. I've searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe
I'm using the wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them.

Help appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,



Not exactly the same, but its similar to a stickvise

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=stickvise&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs-6Wvl4zPAhVP-mMKHd5wBvMQ_AUICSgC&biw=1920&bih=940

~misfit~
Guest

Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:58 pm   



Once upon a time on usenet doggerel wrote:
Quote:
On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them. Help appreciated.
I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,



Not exactly the same, but its similar to a stickvise

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=stickvise&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs-6Wvl4zPAhVP-mMKHd5wBvMQ_AUICSgC&biw=1920&bih=940


Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive uses is
the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components in place while
he solders them and I've not found anything with that feature.

I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't find or afford
a made-up item).

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Chris Jones
Guest

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:40 pm   



On 13/09/2016 21:58, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Once upon a time on usenet doggerel wrote:
On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them. Help appreciated.
I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,



Not exactly the same, but its similar to a stickvise

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=stickvise&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs-6Wvl4zPAhVP-mMKHd5wBvMQ_AUICSgC&biw=1920&bih=940

Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive uses is
the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components in place while
he solders them and I've not found anything with that feature.

I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't find or afford
a made-up item).

I think it is :
http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/tools/workframe.htm
available here for a silly price:
http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/43976

Slightly better price:
https://www.rapidonline.com/cliff-pcb-assembly-jigs-wf1-wf2-29481

Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:43 pm   



On 13/09/2016 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of BigClive's
youtube videos. You can see it here https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186
He's fitting the PCB into it to hold (small) through-hole components while
he solders them. I've searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe
I'm using the wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them.

Help appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,


Why not ask him ??

Computer Nerd Kev
Guest

Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:46 pm   



Chris Jones <lugnut808_at_spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 13/09/2016 21:58, ~misfit~ wrote:

Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive uses is
the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components in place while
he solders them and I've not found anything with that feature.

I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't find or afford
a made-up item).
I think it is :
http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/tools/workframe.htm
available here for a silly price:
http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/43976

Slightly better price:
https://www.rapidonline.com/cliff-pcb-assembly-jigs-wf1-wf2-29481


For batch work with lots of the same board, I've found a good
alternative using 3D printing.

Export the Silkscreen overlay with the component outlines from
your board into a 3D CAD program. Then use that plan to create
a block with hollows in it just the right depth for each
component. Initially I planed to put foam at the bottom of the
hollows to make up for any spacing inaccuracies, but it didn't
turn out to be nesessary.

It's even easier to use than the frame (which was an inspiration
for it) because it can handle all the different heights of
components at once. Just insert them, put the jig on top, turn
it upside-down, trim off the leads, and solder.

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Chris Jones
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:44 am   



On 14/09/2016 07:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Quote:
Chris Jones <lugnut808_at_spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
On 13/09/2016 21:58, ~misfit~ wrote:

Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive uses is
the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components in place while
he solders them and I've not found anything with that feature.

I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't find or afford
a made-up item).
I think it is :
http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/tools/workframe.htm
available here for a silly price:
http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/43976

Slightly better price:
https://www.rapidonline.com/cliff-pcb-assembly-jigs-wf1-wf2-29481

For batch work with lots of the same board, I've found a good
alternative using 3D printing.

Export the Silkscreen overlay with the component outlines from
your board into a 3D CAD program. Then use that plan to create
a block with hollows in it just the right depth for each
component. Initially I planed to put foam at the bottom of the
hollows to make up for any spacing inaccuracies, but it didn't
turn out to be nesessary.

It's even easier to use than the frame (which was an inspiration
for it) because it can handle all the different heights of
components at once. Just insert them, put the jig on top, turn
it upside-down, trim off the leads, and solder.


Interesting... Perhaps they could add generating that 3D model for the
block as a feature in Kicad.

Clifford Heath
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



On 14/09/16 11:58, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Once upon a time on usenet Chris Jones wrote:
On 13/09/2016 21:58, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet doggerel wrote:
On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos.
....
Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive
uses is the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components
in place while he solders them and I've not found anything with that
feature. I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't
find or
afford a made-up item).
I think it is :
http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/tools/workframe.htm
available here for a silly price:
http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/43976
That looks like it - thanks. The Element 14 URL didn't work for me (perhaps
becasue I'm in NZ and it's Aus?)


Nor me, and I'm in Aus. Searching for Cliff (no relation!) Electronic
Components worked though:

<http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/439769>

Clifford Heath.

~misfit~
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them.
Help appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.


This is a more accurate time in the video where he fits the backing which
holds components in place while he solders. It's this function that I'm
interested in.

https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1489
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

doggerel
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of BigClive's
youtube videos. You can see it here https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186
He's fitting the PCB into it to hold (small) through-hole components while
he solders them. I've searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe
I'm using the wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them.

Help appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,



I modified a Panavice PCB holder years ago with some sheet aluminium and
some foam to operate like the one you've linked to. I found it easier to
do it without the additions.

The foam wasn't compliant enough for different height parts so I'd end
up doing say flat laid resistors first etc. Also the foam could push
parts over at an angle which for some parts meant re-soldering and
straightening them up. YMMV.

Chris Jones
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



On 14/09/2016 12:01, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Once upon a time on usenet Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 13/09/2016 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them. Help appreciated.
I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,

Why not ask him ??

It's an old video and I've noticed that he tends to not reply so much to
questions on his older stuff. If you have questions for him I find there's
about a week after when he'll answer. After that I've never got an answer.
Also his source is likely UK based and perhaps obsolete. He has quite a bit
of gear from his 'fairground controller days' which I think were quite a
while ago.

Cheers,



The "top comments" that youtube shows on that video are:

Aikouka Ookami 1 month ago
just out of curiousity what type of jig is that? like if someone was
looking to get what what is it called? brand type or anything?

bigclivedotcom 1 month ago
It was made by Velleman, but I don't know if they do them any more.

I wonder if Velleman made it or bought it from Cliff.

Chris Jones
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



On 14/09/2016 12:34, Clifford Heath wrote:
Quote:
On 14/09/16 11:58, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Chris Jones wrote:
On 13/09/2016 21:58, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet doggerel wrote:
On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos.
...
Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive
uses is the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components
in place while he solders them and I've not found anything with that
feature. I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't
find or
afford a made-up item).
I think it is :
http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/tools/workframe.htm
available here for a silly price:
http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/43976

That looks like it - thanks. The Element 14 URL didn't work for me
(perhaps
becasue I'm in NZ and it's Aus?)

Nor me, and I'm in Aus. Searching for Cliff (no relation!) Electronic
Components worked though:

http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/439769


Yes, sorry I failed to copy/paste the final 9 of the URL.

~misfit~
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



Once upon a time on usenet Rheilly Phoull wrote:
Quote:
On 13/09/2016 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them. Help appreciated.
I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,

Why not ask him ??


It's an old video and I've noticed that he tends to not reply so much to
questions on his older stuff. If you have questions for him I find there's
about a week after when he'll answer. After that I've never got an answer.
Also his source is likely UK based and perhaps obsolete. He has quite a bit
of gear from his 'fairground controller days' which I think were quite a
while ago.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

~misfit~
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:30 am   



Once upon a time on usenet Chris Jones wrote:
Quote:
On 13/09/2016 21:58, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet doggerel wrote:
On 13-Sep-16 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them. Help
appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,



Not exactly the same, but its similar to a stickvise

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=stickvise&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs-6Wvl4zPAhVP-mMKHd5wBvMQ_AUICSgC&biw=1920&bih=940

Thanks. Yeah I found those. What I like about the thingy that Clive
uses is the 'backing' that he clips to it that holds the components
in place while he solders them and I've not found anything with that
feature. I guess I could make something (and probably will if I can't
find or
afford a made-up item).
I think it is :
http://www.cliffuk.co.uk/products/tools/workframe.htm
available here for a silly price:
http://au.element14.com/cliff-electronic-components/wf1/assembly-jig-pcb-aluminium/dp/43976

Slightly better price:
https://www.rapidonline.com/cliff-pcb-assembly-jigs-wf1-wf2-29481


That looks like it - thanks. The Element 14 URL didn't work for me (perhaps
becasue I'm in NZ and it's Aus?) but even the price at Rapidonline is too
high for what I wanted it for.

I only have a few PCBs to do (and it's only really useful for the smaller
components, resistors and diodes) so I'll probably go with hardboard, thin
foam rubber and masking tape. Although this job doesn't justify much outlay
I thought that, if it was within my price range it'd be handy to have.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

~misfit~
Guest

Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:16 pm   



Once upon a time on usenet Chris Jones wrote:
Quote:
On 14/09/2016 12:01, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 13/09/2016 5:10 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hi group.

I would like to get my hands on something that I saw in one of
BigClive's youtube videos. You can see it here
https://youtu.be/nTQRRER1MOY?t=1186 He's fitting the PCB into it to
hold (small) through-hole components while he solders them. I've
searched AliExpress but didn't find any hits - maybe I'm using the
wrong search string or perhaps they don't sell them. Help
appreciated. I'm in New Zealand.

Cheers,

Why not ask him ??

It's an old video and I've noticed that he tends to not reply so
much to questions on his older stuff. If you have questions for him
I find there's about a week after when he'll answer. After that I've
never got an answer. Also his source is likely UK based and perhaps
obsolete. He has quite a bit of gear from his 'fairground controller
days' which I think were quite a while ago.

The "top comments" that youtube shows on that video are:

Aikouka Ookami 1 month ago
just out of curiousity what type of jig is that? like if someone was
looking to get what what is it called? brand type or anything??

bigclivedotcom 1 month ago
It was made by Velleman, but I don't know if they do them any more.?

I wonder if Velleman made it or bought it from Cliff.


So it is - thanks. It wasn't when I first downloaded it a couple of weeks
after it was uploaded and I only went to youtube to find it so I could link
it here and didn't read the comments this time. It seems Clive *does* now
reply to some questions on older videos.

Clives "I don't know if they do them any more" fits with my presumption that
he'd had it for a while. It's annoying that they're so expensive because
theres not really that much to them.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

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