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Dude Whocares
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:40 am
US Patent 7,124,075 “Methods and apparatus for pitch determination”
will be auctioned as Lot 147 at the upcoming ICAP Patent Brokerage
Live IP Action on November 17, 2011 at The Ritz Carlton, San
Francisco.
The patent addresses a core problem of signal processing in general,
and speech signal processing in particular: period (fundamental
frequency) determination of a (quasi)-periodic signal, or pitch
detection problem in speech/audio signal processing.
Patented nonlinear signal processing techniques originate from chaos
theory and address known limitations of traditional linear signal
processing methods like FFT or correlation.
Patented methods are amenable to efficient implementation in both
software and hardware (FPGAs, ASICs).
Forward citations include Microsoft, Mitsubishi Space Software,
Broadcom, Sharp and Teradata.
Visit ICAP’s website for more information:
http://icappatentbrokerage.com/forsale
robert bristow-johnson
Guest
Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:40 am
so Vlad,
what do you think Dmitry will get for it?
maybe some patent trolls will get it and then start suing IVL or AXON or
Roland or Eventide with it.
i sorta wonder.
--
r b-j rbj_at_audioimagination.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
On 10/31/11 12:40 AM, Dude Whocares wrote:
Quote:
US Patent 7,124,075 “Methods and apparatus for pitch determination”
will be auctioned as Lot 147 at the upcoming ICAP Patent Brokerage
Live IP Action on November 17, 2011 at The Ritz Carlton, San
Francisco.
....
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Guest
Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:05 am
robert bristow-johnson wrote:
Quote:
so Vlad,
what do you think Dmitry will get for it?
Zero, as usual.
Quote:
maybe some patent trolls will get it and then start suing IVL or AXON or
Roland or Eventide with it.
i sorta wonder.
Poor fellow is out of his mind.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Guest
Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:05 am
robert bristow-johnson wrote:
Quote:
so Vlad,
what do you think Dmitry will get for it?
Zero, as usual.
Quote:
maybe some patent trolls will get it and then start suing IVL or AXON or
Roland or Eventide with it.
i sorta wonder.
Poor fellow is out of his mind.
Regis
Guest
Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:10 pm
EP1451804, the corresponding European Patent application, is
considered withdrawn : prior art has been found...
How much does it cost to invalidate a patent in the US ?
:)
fatalist
Guest
Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:20 pm
On Nov 1, 10:10 am, Regis <quela...@netscape.net> wrote:
Quote:
EP1451804, the corresponding European Patent application, is
considered withdrawn : prior art has been found...
How much does it cost to invalidate a patent in the US ?
:)
A lawyer which you are should always check facts before posting and
never ever try to promote deliberate lies, even under pseudonym on the
internet
EPO can and does recycle same "prior art" references cited by
applicant himself to USPTO and already discussed in depth in office
actions and interviews with US examiners ... just to prolong the
process and extort more money from poor applicant... until he is fed
up paying through his nose and walks away...
Just tell me why EPO keeps collecting huge annuities on pending
applications (and keeps them pending for many years) and why you have
to go through EU-registered attorney like yourself just to communicate
with EPO ?
BTW, can you post your registration number ?
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Guest
Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:33 pm
fatalist wrote:
Hello Dmitry Teres;
Quote:
On Nov 1, 10:10 am, Regis <quela...@netscape.net> wrote:
EP1451804, the corresponding European Patent application, is
considered withdrawn : prior art has been found...
How much does it cost to invalidate a patent in the US ?
A lawyer which you are should always check facts before posting and
never ever try to promote deliberate lies, even under pseudonym on the
internet
"Tell us about your success" (c) Dmitry Teres.
Regis
Guest
Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:57 pm
Quote:
A lawyer which you are should always check facts before posting and
never ever try to promote deliberate lies, even under pseudonym on the
internet
EPO can and does recycle same "prior art" references cited by
applicant himself to USPTO and already discussed in depth in office
actions and interviews with US examiners ... just to prolong the
process and extort more money from poor applicant... until he is fed
up paying through his nose and walks away...
Just tell me why EPO keeps collecting huge annuities on pending
applications (and keeps them pending for many years) and why you have
to go through EU-registered attorney like yourself just to communicate
with EPO ?
BTW, can you post your registration number ?
About verifying facts...
I'm not a lawyer but an EPO patent examiner.
An applicant can always request an accelerated search and examination
at the EPO, for free.
I was just questioning the legal certainty of a patent in the US,
which application has been abandoned at the EPO without even a reply
to the first communication, citing novelty destroying documents. I did
not check if these documents were also cited at the USPTO, before or
after the EPO search report had been issued.
fatalist
Guest
Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:57 pm
On Nov 3, 6:57 am, Regis <quela...@netscape.net> wrote:
Quote:
A lawyer which you are should always check facts before posting and
never ever try to promote deliberate lies, even under pseudonym on the
internet
EPO can and does recycle same "prior art" references cited by
applicant himself to USPTO and already discussed in depth in office
actions and interviews with US examiners ... just to prolong the
process and extort more money from poor applicant... until he is fed
up paying through his nose and walks away...
Just tell me why EPO keeps collecting huge annuities on pending
applications (and keeps them pending for many years) and why you have
to go through EU-registered attorney like yourself just to communicate
with EPO ?
BTW, can you post your registration number ?
About verifying facts...
I'm not a lawyer but an EPO patent examiner.
An applicant can always request an accelerated search and examination
at the EPO, for free.
I was just questioning the legal certainty of a patent in the US,
which application has been abandoned at the EPO without even a reply
to the first communication, citing novelty destroying documents. I did
not check if these documents were also cited at the USPTO, before or
after the EPO search report had been issued.- Hide quoted text -
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Every US patent attorney is obligated to submit all prior art
references coming his way to USPTO during patent prosecution,
including references from EPO search reports
Once submitted prior art references are considered by examiner and
made of record (and discussed in office actions and interviews), and
US patent is officially granted then your chance of getting re-exam
request approved based on the very same references is ZERO
brent
Guest
Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:18 pm
On Oct 31, 12:40 am, Dude Whocares <ipisg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
US Patent 7,124,075 “Methods and apparatus for pitch determination”
will be auctioned as Lot 147 at the upcoming ICAP Patent Brokerage
Live IP Action on November 17, 2011 at The Ritz Carlton, San
Francisco.
The patent addresses a core problem of signal processing in general,
and speech signal processing in particular: period (fundamental
frequency) determination of a (quasi)-periodic signal, or pitch
detection problem in speech/audio signal processing.
Patented nonlinear signal processing techniques originate from chaos
theory and address known limitations of traditional linear signal
processing methods like FFT or correlation.
Patented methods are amenable to efficient implementation in both
software and hardware (FPGAs, ASICs).
Forward citations include Microsoft, Mitsubishi Space Software,
Broadcom, Sharp and Teradata.
Visit ICAP’s website for more information:http://icappatentbrokerage.com/forsale
Ideas, it turns out, are a dime a dozen. Committing to an idea and
putting massive energy into the idea , with the realization that the
work may not even pay off... that is where the money is (or not)
fatalist
Guest
Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:29 pm
On Nov 3, 1:18 pm, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 31, 12:40 am, Dude Whocares <ipisg...@gmail.com> wrote:
US Patent 7,124,075 “Methods and apparatus for pitch determination”
will be auctioned as Lot 147 at the upcoming ICAP Patent Brokerage
Live IP Action on November 17, 2011 at The Ritz Carlton, San
Francisco.
The patent addresses a core problem of signal processing in general,
and speech signal processing in particular: period (fundamental
frequency) determination of a (quasi)-periodic signal, or pitch
detection problem in speech/audio signal processing.
Patented nonlinear signal processing techniques originate from chaos
theory and address known limitations of traditional linear signal
processing methods like FFT or correlation.
Patented methods are amenable to efficient implementation in both
software and hardware (FPGAs, ASICs).
Forward citations include Microsoft, Mitsubishi Space Software,
Broadcom, Sharp and Teradata.
Visit ICAP’s website for more information:http://icappatentbrokerage.com/forsale
Ideas, it turns out, are a dime a dozen. Committing to an idea and
putting massive energy into the idea , with the realization that the
work may not even pay off... that is where the money is (or not)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"Ideas" are not patentable
novel and non-obvious workable solutions to long-standing industry
problems are.
As far as quitting your job and mortgaging your house to fully
"commit" to an "idea": you are more than welcome to do it yourself (if
your wife doesn't mind...)
thanks but no thanks
brent
Guest
Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:08 am
On Nov 3, 2:29 pm, fatalist <simfid...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 3, 1:18 pm, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 12:40 am, Dude Whocares <ipisg...@gmail.com> wrote:
US Patent 7,124,075 “Methods and apparatus for pitch determination”
will be auctioned as Lot 147 at the upcoming ICAP Patent Brokerage
Live IP Action on November 17, 2011 at The Ritz Carlton, San
Francisco.
The patent addresses a core problem of signal processing in general,
and speech signal processing in particular: period (fundamental
frequency) determination of a (quasi)-periodic signal, or pitch
detection problem in speech/audio signal processing.
Patented nonlinear signal processing techniques originate from chaos
theory and address known limitations of traditional linear signal
processing methods like FFT or correlation.
Patented methods are amenable to efficient implementation in both
software and hardware (FPGAs, ASICs).
Forward citations include Microsoft, Mitsubishi Space Software,
Broadcom, Sharp and Teradata.
Visit ICAP’s website for more information:http://icappatentbrokerage.com/forsale
Ideas, it turns out, are a dime a dozen. Committing to an idea and
putting massive energy into the idea , with the realization that the
work may not even pay off... that is where the money is (or not)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"Ideas" are not patentable
novel and non-obvious workable solutions to long-standing industry
problems are.
As far as quitting your job and mortgaging your house to fully
"commit" to an "idea": you are more than welcome to do it yourself (if
your wife doesn't mind...)
thanks but no thanks
exactly
hamilton
Guest
Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:30 am
Quote:
Visit ICAP’s website for more information:http://icappatentbrokerage.com/forsale
Have you looked at some of the "patents" this site has for sale !!!
Look at "AUC 003", this nut case was given a patent for an "Illuminated
License Plate".
Google "Illuminated License Plate" and you get "About 3,310,000 results
(0.30 seconds)" !!
But, if you Google "lighted license plates" you get "About 4,610,000
results (0.22 seconds)" !!
WAIT !!
You get more hits in less time for a slight difference in search parameters.
What was the patent examiner thinking !!
He looked out his window, saw a bunch of cars with "lighted" license
plates, and said, they are not "Illuminated" license plate and decided
there was no prior art.
Where is it all going...... SHS (Shacking Head Slowly)
hamilton
Scott Dorsey
Guest
Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:58 pm
hamilton <hamilton_at_nothere.com> wrote:
Quote:
What was the patent examiner thinking !!
He looked out his window, saw a bunch of cars with "lighted" license
plates, and said, they are not "Illuminated" license plate and decided
there was no prior art.
That is the basic problem with the USPTO today. There are huge numbers of
patents coming in, and not a lot of money, so they hire some pretty clueless
examiners.
Consequently a whole lot of totally useless patents get approved, but once
they get approved, they stay in the system. We have now come to a time when
just having a patent is not enough to be useful because a patent is no longer
automatically presumed to be valid just because it was issued.
Quote:
Where is it all going...... SHS (Shacking Head Slowly)
Personally, I liked the ham sandwich patent best, although Microsoft's
patent on the ring buffer is even more hilarious. The software patents are
really the worst, because hiring people who actually know something about
the history of programming is difficult and so consequently the software
examiners tend to know even less about the state of the field they are
approving patents in.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Christopher Felton
Guest
Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:20 pm
On 11/4/11 9:58 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Quote:
hamilton<hamilton_at_nothere.com> wrote:
What was the patent examiner thinking !!
He looked out his window, saw a bunch of cars with "lighted" license
plates, and said, they are not "Illuminated" license plate and decided
there was no prior art.
That is the basic problem with the USPTO today. There are huge numbers of
patents coming in, and not a lot of money, so they hire some pretty clueless
examiners.
NPR planet money did some, recent, interesting investigation into the
patent world. In one segment they indicated that the patent office is
one of the only government offices that operates at a net positive
(bring in more money than they spend).
But they are not allowed to use that money for hiring etc. They are
given a fixed budget each year and the gross proceeds are used by
congress for other pet projects. They eluded this is one of the
problems with patent reform, because it is a source of income.
..chris
Quote:
Consequently a whole lot of totally useless patents get approved, but once
they get approved, they stay in the system. We have now come to a time when
just having a patent is not enough to be useful because a patent is no longer
automatically presumed to be valid just because it was issued.
Where is it all going...... SHS (Shacking Head Slowly)
Personally, I liked the ham sandwich patent best, although Microsoft's
patent on the ring buffer is even more hilarious. The software patents are
really the worst, because hiring people who actually know something about
the history of programming is difficult and so consequently the software
examiners tend to know even less about the state of the field they are
approving patents in.
--scott
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